>> Not this list's topic for discussion.
>
>So why did YOU initially bring up what is "needed" in your opinion to
>solve our transportation woes?

Because you trashed some such or other mass transit related public
policy in your email first.

>
> >Nobody has said anything anti mass transit. I merely stated facts.
>
>> You are discussing a snapshot. You are drawing artificial
>> limits to all the possible changes to inputs to the set of
>> "facts" you claim...
>
>Here's your "snapshot" on the fuel economy facts of various modes.

No. That is somebody else's take/snapshot on a vast, far
reaching subject that bicyclist advocates should not take a
specific side on.


>> >Therefore I conclude that
>> >it is proper for bicycling advocates to oppose subsidizing a
system that
>> >reduces bicycling (and walking), creating chauffered motorists.
Further,
>> >such heavy vehicles accelerate the destruction of the pavement, an
>> >important element of bicycling advocacy.
>>
>> I would find it even more important to fight/oppose bicyclist advocacy
>> that took this tact - with all the wide ranging and complicated claims
>> it automatically incorporates
>
>Knock yourself out!

Believe me I will... As I said - even more so than I will
fight bikelane advocacy and roadway widening advocacy that
people market as "bicyclist advocacy".

>Since local transit competes with bicycling (and walking) for money and
>users and accelerates the ruining of the pavement, I will oppose it. If
>you think that is not focused bicycling advocacy, you are free to feel
>that way. But you are not changing my actions or opinion.

I think you need a little more self examination of your priorities
if you feel you need to incorporate anti-mass-transit effort into
activity you want to present to the world as "bicyclist advocacy".

I suspect you have a MILLION outlets right now to express and work
for any anti-mass-transit sentiments you have. Why do you want to
sow discord into organized bicyclist advocacy efforts by insisting
on dragging these anti-mass-transit sentiments into bicyclist advocacy
efforts?

If increased bicycling rates are SO important to you, I suggest
you look at, and attempt to address all the extended set of
(mostly cultural/often involving misunderstanding and
ignorance) reasons for bicycling's under utilization of a
WONDERFUL existing facility that gets MASSIVE public reasource
support now (and will continue well into the future): the public
road net. That would be energy much, much,
much better spent with much much greater potential to
grow bicycling rates, than any energy spent fighting this or that
specific public policy associated with how public
resources reach/don't reach mass transit as a slice of the
overall public-resources-for-transportation pie

Ken