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FW: [CG] Scandinavian study of bike-transit competition?   Message List  
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Re: FW: [CG] Scandinavian study of bike-transit competition?



>
>> Higher percentages of the culture's trips serviced by mass
>> transit and walking in communities easy to service
>> with mass transit and walking - not more bicycling - is the needed
>> big-picture-primary correction to _transportation_.

>What makes you think that low powered private vehicles are not the
>needed big-picture-primary correction to _transportation_?

Not this list's topic for discussion.

>Nobody has said anything anti mass transit. I merely stated facts.

You are discussing a snapshot. You are drawing artificial
limits to all the possible changes to inputs to the set of
"facts" you claim... all about a topic that is not
very specific to bicyclist advocacy, but yet - as part of
a much broader picture - much more important to our culture
then the focused specific topic of bicycling will ever be.


>Therefore I conclude that
>it is proper for bicycling advocates to oppose subsidizing a system that
>reduces bicycling (and walking), creating chauffered motorists. Further,
>such heavy vehicles accelerate the destruction of the pavement, an
>important element of bicycling advocacy.

I would find it even more important to fight/oppose bicyclist advocacy
that took this tact - with all the wide ranging and complicated claims
it automatically incorporates - than fighting bicyclist advocacy that
supported bikelanes.



Ken








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... This is a question that involves utilization, the nature of the community serviced, wide ranging sets of government subsidies and edicts, etc. , etc... ...
Kenneth O'Brien
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Jan 5, 2007
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... What makes you think that low powered private vehicles are not the needed big-picture-primary correction to _transportation_? If ... Ken, Nobody has said...
Wayne Pein
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Jan 5, 2007
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... Perhaps. But that is placed here to explain why I oppose your insertion of your bias on this macro-transportation issue into bicycling advocacy. Note I...
Kenneth OBrien
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Jan 5, 2007
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... Since local transit competes with bicycling (and walking) for money and users and accelerates the ruining of the pavement, I will oppose it. If you think...
Wayne Pein
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Jan 5, 2007
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Ken, I suggest you continue with your advocacy of mass transit. It makes you happy. I will continue to shed a little sunshine on mass transit advocates who are...
Wayne Pein
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Jan 6, 2007
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... I haven't been discussing any mass transit advocacy I may take part in, here. I have been discussing how I will fight when people attempt to bring their...
Kenneth O'Brien
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Jan 6, 2007
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... Not this list's topic for discussion. ... You are discussing a snapshot. You are drawing artificial limits to all the possible changes to inputs to the set...
kob2@...
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Jan 5, 2007
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... So why did YOU initially bring up what is "needed" in your opinion to solve our transportation woes? ... Here's your "snapshot" on the fuel economy facts...
Wayne Pein
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Jan 5, 2007
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... Because you trashed some such or other mass transit related public policy in your email first. ... No. That is somebody else's take/snapshot on a vast, far...
Kenneth OBrien
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In a message dated 1/5/2007 4:46:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wpein@... writes: The following websites show how much energy in BTUs is used by various...
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