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FW: [CG] Scandinavian study of bike-transit competition?   Message List  
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>Most transit systems get worse economy than if all passengers drove
>alone. However, transit is actually worse than that because it converts
>bicyclists and pedestrians into chauffered motorists. Heavy, polluting
>short haul transit has nothing in common with cycling.


This is a question that involves utilization, the nature of the community
serviced, wide ranging sets of government subsidies and edicts, etc. ,
etc...

Higher percentages of the culture's trips serviced by mass
transit and walking in communities easy to service
with mass transit and walking - not more bicycling - is the needed
big-picture-primary correction to _transportation_. If
the epidemiology at any particular instant in time
shows a bicycling reduction by the culture correlated with some
effort to promote that shift to more mass transit and walking
mode share... so be it. However, I suspect that will not be true
over the long haul of this change. I suspect that when we get closer
to where we need to be(much higher mass transit use, in reconfigured
communities) bicycling rates will be much higher than they are now.
However, However... even if that does not turn out to be true, this
needed change to more mode share by mass transit and walking is too
important. Bicyclist advocacy must not get in the way and sign up
with opponents to this change.

Bicycling is an minor issue within this bigger issue. I don't
accept anti-mass-transit efforts/noise by bicyclist advocates
because they feel their specific goal of seeing higher rates
of bicycling is threatened by mass transit. I would vigorously
oppose any anti-mass-transit noise out of a bicyclist advocacy
organization I am involved with. Better to drop that specific
goal from bicyclist advocacy efforts, if you come to believe
that goal forces you to say anything against mass transit as
part of your bicyclist advocacy efforts.

If some people feel - or some data potentially indicates -
mass transit "competes" with promoting increased bicycling
right now, this works out to be another good
reason for bicyclist advocates to focus on issues like
maintaining/expanding roadway access, promoting "act and treat"
message, and improving conditions for existing _vehicular_ bicyclists.
Limit marketing and promotion for greater rates of bicycling to
demonstrating/explaining how wonderful vehicular bicycling on roadways
is _right_now_ - but don't make this the primary focus. Also, don't
weigh measures of advocacy success too heavily by whether the
increased rate of bicycling actually occur.

Ken






Fri Jan 5, 2007 5:44 am

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... This is a question that involves utilization, the nature of the community serviced, wide ranging sets of government subsidies and edicts, etc. , etc... ...
Kenneth O'Brien
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Jan 5, 2007
5:48 am

... What makes you think that low powered private vehicles are not the needed big-picture-primary correction to _transportation_? If ... Ken, Nobody has said...
Wayne Pein
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Jan 5, 2007
3:39 pm

... Perhaps. But that is placed here to explain why I oppose your insertion of your bias on this macro-transportation issue into bicycling advocacy. Note I...
Kenneth OBrien
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Jan 5, 2007
4:16 pm

... Since local transit competes with bicycling (and walking) for money and users and accelerates the ruining of the pavement, I will oppose it. If you think...
Wayne Pein
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Jan 5, 2007
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Ken, I suggest you continue with your advocacy of mass transit. It makes you happy. I will continue to shed a little sunshine on mass transit advocates who are...
Wayne Pein
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Jan 6, 2007
1:28 am

... I haven't been discussing any mass transit advocacy I may take part in, here. I have been discussing how I will fight when people attempt to bring their...
Kenneth O'Brien
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Jan 6, 2007
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... Not this list's topic for discussion. ... You are discussing a snapshot. You are drawing artificial limits to all the possible changes to inputs to the set...
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Jan 5, 2007
4:02 pm

... So why did YOU initially bring up what is "needed" in your opinion to solve our transportation woes? ... Here's your "snapshot" on the fuel economy facts...
Wayne Pein
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Jan 5, 2007
9:42 pm

... Because you trashed some such or other mass transit related public policy in your email first. ... No. That is somebody else's take/snapshot on a vast, far...
Kenneth OBrien
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Jan 5, 2007
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In a message dated 1/5/2007 4:46:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wpein@... writes: The following websites show how much energy in BTUs is used by various...
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