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Re: [CG] Blinking lights

My understanding is that in British Columbia, where I live, a blinking
front light does not meet the requirements of the law for a bicycle
headlight--flashing taillights are permitted by

http://www.qp.gov.bc.ca/statreg/stat/M/96318_03.htm#section183

Subsections (6) and (7) are the relevant sections

As per regulation, a vehicle in BC (and note that in BC, bicycles are
not vehicles) can only have flashing lamps in certain circumstances,
generally for policing and emergency vehicles:

http://www.qp.gov.bc.ca/statreg/reg/M/MotorVehicle/26_58/26_58_01.htm#section4.2\
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So, in BC, where a bicycle is not a vehicle, steady front lighting is
required, but flashing front lighting is not illegal. In BC, we're a
little bit away from enforcing the requirement of steady front
lighting--many people cycle without lights.

Personally, I believe flashing lights are not as effective as steady
lights for the sake of communication. Flashing lights are useful for
detection but not for predictability and, ultimately, collision
avoidance. As an example, I have seen a pair of cyclists come towards
me in full darkness, one with a steady light, the other flashing. Both
cyclists were easy to detect, but it was harder to determine the
position of the cyclist with the flashing light.

For the sake of an experiment, find a dark place and play catch with a
bicycle light, sometimes in steady mode, sometimes in flashing mode. I
have to believe that people will have better success catching the
light when it is not flashing.

What I would like to see is the law require headlights on bicycles to
be run in a steady state (I think the BC law says that now) and also
be of a minimum diameter and brightness measured in lumens/lux. I see
that people are using single LEDs as their bicycle lighting and I
think it's putting them, and other road users, at risk.

--
Michael Poplawski
Victoria, BC Canada

On 1/4/07, Doug Huffman <doug.huffman@...> wrote:
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> Blinking front light, is it even legal?
>
> Bob Sutterfield wrote:
> > Can anyone point me to studies of safety comparing blinking with solid
> > bicycle lighting?
> >
> > We've long had blinking red rear LEDs; how does that compare with a solid
> > rear light? Do multiple blinkies (flashing independently) help even more?
> > Should a blinkie be accompanied by a solid light?
> >
> > It's becoming fashionable to use a blinking white front LED for a "be seen"
> > light, often without a solid lamp as a "seeing" light. Is this effective?



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Doug Huffman
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My understanding is that in British Columbia, where I live, a blinking front light does not meet the requirements of the law for a bicycle headlight--flashing...
Michael Poplawski
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... In NC it says, "Lamps on Bicycles. - Every bicycle shall be equipped with a lighted lamp on the front thereof, visible under normal atmospheric conditions ...
Wayne Pein
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If I understand Oklahoma law right, flashing lights are limited to use on police and fire vehicles, or road maintenance vehicles like snowplows. Still, I use...
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John Schubert wrote "and the motorist's action may then be inappropriate" Ok, enough already, I can't take it anymore. Most cars when they see something,...
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Amen. ALG, Esq. [Atlanta, GA] ... From: william.cox@... To: chainguard@yahoogroups.com Sent: January 09, 2007 04:15 PM Subject: RE: [CG]...
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... Traffic rules and the traffic environment, etc. should be designed to allow vehicle drivers to devote their attention where it is needed, when it is...
Kenneth OBrien
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... What a bunch of gobbly gook. Ubiquitous blinking turn signals on a myriad of motor vehicles, occasional flashing yellow and red lights, emergency vehicles,...
Wayne Pein
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... I don't think I ever quite labelled it a "dangerous distraction". I do believe 1) It is not quite as good a rear facing safety device as my 3" amber SAE...
Kenneth O'Brien
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Not to mention the best evidence is pragmatic; I often ride alone late at night/early morning - with few enough vehicles on the road to see virtually every one...
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... night/early ... approaching ... (usually) ... drift back ... question ... unambiguously - if ... Compared to having nothing? Well sure. Compared to having...
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In a message dated 1/9/2007 5:17:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kob2@... writes: Distracting, attention grabbing Christmas-tree lighting style...
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Well, a lot of school buses do have strobes and numbers on their roofs for police and traffic helicopters. Your strobes may indeed be for 'low flying aircraft'...
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Indeed there is, and such is one reason why epileptics are discouraged/"prohibited" from riding certain rides at amusement parks, etc. Moreover, I notice that...
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Then I'll try to make my point differently. 'Two personal anecdotes do not data make.' This discussion is becoming quite analogous to that other item of...
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Hey, you don't need me to answer your questions [I know, albeit rhetorical], as you're doing just fine answering your own :) ALG ... From: Kenneth O'Brien To:...
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... I've seen citations of various US states' traffic laws, but here's the only allusion so far to commissioned research: http://tinyurl.com/uwghl is ...
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... I think it's worth thinking about in these terms: what if motor vehicles started using flashing lights in place of steady head lamps? Would that have no...
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There indeed may be inherent difficulty tracking blinking lights in the dark, but in practice, at least from the rear, this is a moot point. A motor vehicle...
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Sometime in the past couple of years the law was changed in New Zealand to permit blinkies on bikes. Cyclists are much easier to notice and identify. b. ...
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... Motorist must be - and are in the vast, vast majority of all cases - ready for the possibility of predictable _somethings_ on the road in front of them -...
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... So, I take it that if there were lots of bicyclists in your area with blinkies that you would remove yours to reduce "system-level distraction?" Wayne...
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... Yes, probably at some point I would. Ken...
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... How atruistic of you to do your part to reduce "system-level distraction!" It's interesting how this atruism trumps your listed reasons for using a blinky....
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... Yes, Probably at some point I would. Ken ... mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ ....
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There seems to be a dearth of peer reviewed, published research on the subject. What little there is mainly concerns reflectors and solid lighting, not...
Darrell Noakes
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... Motorcycle headlight modulators cycle between high and low beams, not between on and off. The modulation feature is disabled at night so there's never a...
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Hi all, ... solid bicycle lighting?<< You got several excellent replies, but I have a study to add. (Executive summary: The study supports Michael Poplawski's...
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... Did it include the 3" SAE amber reflector? I am confident that detection at 1341 ft and "recognition" are two measures that do not add up to useful...
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very true to many blinkies can be very distracting............ ... Did it include the 3" SAE amber reflector? I am confident that detection at 1341 ft and...
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