Arthur Boruc decides to bless himself in the middle of an old firm derby...
there is nothing accidental about that.

   Peoples faith should be kept to themselves: often the most genuine keep the
expression of their faith to two arenas: the church, where it belongs, and in
our firness of dealing with each other throughout our lives.

   Though Catholic, I would NEVER bless myself in public, and am none the less
Catholic for so not doing.

   Its only right hes cautioned... if we all keep our faith to ourselves, noone
will be offended, especilly in a tinderbox like Scotland.

   Its time to be as much Christian as Catholic.


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The touring Orangemen in Stormant,
   To see the picture came,
   The victor of the Boyne,
   Who banishished Popery to shame,
   But when they came upon it,
   The asked how could it be:
   For the pope blessing King Billy
   Was what they all could see.

   An outrage and an insult:
   With this they could not cope,
   An unholy alliance
   Of King Billy and the Pope,
   And so they vandalised it,
   And turned in dismay,
   Only to be arrented
   £65 they had to pay.

   To next time you meet an Orangemen
   And off about the defeat of the Pope he start to coin,
   Remind him both he and King Billy,
   Beat King James at the Boyne!

Artybhoy <artybhoy_1981@...> wrote:
           King Billy painting a 'mixed blessing'

By Mark Devenport
Political editor, BBC Northern Ireland

It sits in a side room at the back of the disused Senate Chamber inside
Stormont's Parliament Buildings. The painting depicts King William III's arrival
in Ireland

A monumental canvas apparently depicting the arrival of King William III in
Ireland in the 1690s, it was purchased by the old Northern Ireland government
back in March 1933. But the controversial work of art was vandalised soon
afterwards and has not been on public display for more than 20 years. Now some
say the time has come to hang it somewhere more prominent. Buying the picture,
thought to be the work of William of Orange's court artist Pieter van der
Muelen, cost the old Stormont government £209 and four shillings. Unionist MPs
cheered when they heard of its acquisition. But those cheers gave way to
bewilderment when the canvas was unveiled. There in the foreground is a figure
which looks like King Billy on his white charger. But floating above him on a
cloud is someone who appears to be Pope Innocent XI, apparently blessing his
ally as he makes his way towards the Battle of the Boyne. A figure believed to
be Pope Innocent XI
appears to bless William III

For those who celebrate the victory of the Protestant King William over the
Catholic King James this may be an inconvenient reminder of the facts of 17th
century great power politics. But the Ulster Museum's Keeper of History, Trevor
Parkhill, explains that "there is a well documented record that the Pope had a
'Te Deum' sung in the Vatican on hearing the outcome of the Battle of the
Boyne". "As Stalin would have said, they were objective allies in the 1690s
against the Sun King Louis XIV who was at that time the most dominant authority
in power in Europe," he added. Back in the 1930s some couldn't stomach that kind
of talk. In May 1933 a group of visitors from the Scottish Protestant League
were touring Parliament Buildings when they came face to face with King Billy
and the Pope. Art attack An enraged Glasgow councillor, Charles Forester, threw
red paint over Innocent XI. His companion Mary Ratcliffe slashed the canvas with
a knife. Both were
arrested and fined £65 when they appeared in court in Downpatrick. The painting
was restored for a cost of £32 and 10 shillings. The authorities at Stormont
decided it would be a wise move to shift it to a less exposed spot. Its precise
whereabouts inside Parliament Buildings were unknown from 1936 until 1975 when
the picture was moved to the Belfast Public Record Office. It went on public
display there until 1983 when it was returned to the speaker's office at
Stormont. Art experts dispute whether the painting is the work of Pieter van der
Meulen and whether the subject really is King William of Orange. Public display
But the attack on the canvas has made it part of Stormont folklore. Damian
McCarney, who writes for Daily Ireland and the Andersonstown News recently had a
private viewing. In his opinion, "a reproduction of it doesn't do it justice".
"Whenever you first encounter the painting you are awe struck by the size of
this epic tale
unfolding in front of you," he said. "So in a visual sense it deserves to be
displayed. "But I believe the story behind it will capture the imagination of a
lot of people as well. "Here's a painting which attracted controversy and was
attacked for no justifiable reason. "I think a lot of people can respond to
that. It has echoes of the sectarian past and now we're coming to a more
tolerant period in history now is the time for it to be restored to its rightful
place in the southern corridors of the Stormont assembly."

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Ode to The Brave Who've Died From Hunger

   From a race whove known famine,
   Known what it is to die,
   Brave men they, who fight for Ireland,
   The British Empire to defy.

   A mans no crinimal who fights for Ireland,
   A patriot is he who makes such a stand,
   A prisioner of war is such an Irishman
   Jailed for fighting for his land.

   It took those deaths to waken Ireland,
   To the fight of these great men,
   But alas today we find that Ireland,
   Has fallen to Britains lies again.

   Signed another agreement doomed to failure,
   Unless partition we accept,
   And at loggerheads with Ulster,
   By mutual promises were kept.

   This will deliver Ireland,
   Is the story we've been told.
   The Union is safe, with this agreement,
   Is the lie the Scots were sold.

   And in time when all unravels,
   Eires and Scotias sons,
   Betrayed both by the lies of England,
   Will fight each other with bombs and guns.

   And those Irish who fight for freedom,
   Once again refuse the shame,
   And fight and strike and starve for Ireland,
   For the dignity of the POW name.

   (c) Tomas O' Carthaigh

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Below are all the victims of the IRA who were massacre as they went about their
daily lives. The only picture missing is the picture of the two unborn twins.


   Was is for this the hunger strikers died?

Brilliant poem, by the way Daniel, its just the freedom campaign for Mc Kevitt
and Co and the smokescreen of MI5 involvement is hard for me as a republican to
take.

   The Omagh bomb was an attack on civilians... on our own, by our own. Its
unforgivable, and Mc Kevitt done nothing to root out those who comitted this war
crime - thats what it is, same as Bloody Sunday - so I assume he approved it.

   Its the Irish Srebrenica.

   Tiocfaidh ar La!

   Chuck E Arlaa <sgtsnafu@...> wrote:
               A fine & fitting tribute! Thanks.
   TAL



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   From: "mcdonagh65" <mcdonagh65@...>
Reply-To: saoirse_na_heireann@yahoogroups.com
To: saoirse_na_heireann@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [saoirse_na_heireann] a poem for Bobby Sands
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:47:42 -0000

         Bobby Sands
(Began Strike on March 1st; died May 5th, 1981)

The sky was black with grief & anger,
The rain, it fell with the strength of steel,
Ireland wept for a fallen son
As his soul & spirit was delivered to freedom.

The legends of Ireland mourned as one
As the strength was taken from Bobby Sands,
Cuchulainn's spirit awoke the fighting souls
Who saw a hero perish within a British jail.

The ghost of Ireland's heroes
they walk again once more,
the battlecry has been raised
to rid the British from Ireland's shores.

Freedom's bird hid within her nest
As Bobby Sands was laid to rest,
Within the midnight sky, among the brightest stars,
His words are forever echoed, Tiocfaidh Ar La.

© Daniel McDonagh












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ask themselves... was Omagh what Bobby Sands died for?



   Below are all the victims of the IRA who were massacre as they went about
their daily lives. The only picture missing is the picture of the two unborn
twins.




         15th-Aug-2006 06:20 am - SOMETIMES I JUST GO TO BED AND CRY FOR ORAN

**I have posted this story from NEWSHOUND for the last 3 years after it appeared
in remembrance of the 5th anniversary of the Omagh bomb. The information and
photo of Oran are from CAIN.

SOMETIMES I JUST GO TO BED AND CRY FOR ORAN

Sharon O’Neill
Irish News

Five years after the Omagh bomb claimed the lives of 29 people including a woman
pregnant with twins, Irish News Chief Reporter Sharon O’Neill spoke to Bernie
Doherty whose eight-year-old son, Oran, was one of three children from Buncrana
killed in the blast.

Oran Doherty (8), from Buncrana, County Donegal, Republic of Ireland. Oran was
one of three boys from Buncrana to die in the explosion. His family said that he
had been looking forward to going to Omagh all week.

Buncrana – a small town on the banks of Lough Swilly in Co Donegal – is a haven
for thousands of northerners escaping the normally turbulent summer months
across the border. But as visitors enjoy the relaxed atmosphere, some of its
residents will be rallying around families devastated by the indiscriminate hand
of paramilitarism.

Buncrana, tucked away on the eastern shores of Inishowen and with a population
of just 5,000, has suffered unimaginable pain inflicted by both loyalists and
dissident republicans.

Sinn Féin councillor Eddie Fullerton was shot dead by the UFF in 1991 and ever
since nationalist residents had feared their return.

But 12 years later the emergence of a dissident republican group, the Real IRA,
cast another shadow over the town that has yet to lift following the murder of
three children in the Omagh bombing.

Oran Doherty (eight), Sean McLaughlin (11) and 12-year-old James Barker were on
a trip to the Co Tyrone town on Saturday August 15 1998, with a group of Spanish
students when they were caught up in the horror that snatched away their young
lives.

Spaniards Rocia Abad Ramos, a 23-year-old group leader and Fernando Blasco
Baselga (12) were also murdered in the bombing that killed a total of 29 people,
including a woman pregnant with twins, leaving hundreds injured – many
permanently scarred for life.

Their deaths will be remembered in a small but poignant candle-light vigil in
Knockalla Drive – where Oran and Sean lived just doors from each other.

Bernie and Michael Doherty still have a bag of sweets their son Oran left on the
bus that took him to Omagh that day.

Five years on, Bernie recalls with distinct clarity the excitement of the
eight-year-old as he was about to embark on a journey which unknown to everyone
would end in carnage.

“Oran was hard to get up in the morning and the night before the trip he said
‘you better shake me hard in the morning’,” says Bernie, a mother-of-seven.

“When I woke him up I thought, for a split second,‘will I just let him lie?’
because I wasn’t happy about him going.

“He was only eight and had never been away before. It was his first time to go
on a trip with students.

“But I thought no, it wouldn’t be fair not to let him go. When I called him he
was up like a flash.

“He had a bath and I helped him to get dressed. His cousin Emmett called up to
make sure he was still going. We only had punts and I had to get sterling. He
was all excited when he saw the new £2 coin and kept looking at it.

“When Sean (McLaughlin) called they were sorting out the money for the bus and
how much they had to spend.

“I remember him saying ‘ach, can I keep this (£2 coin)’. It was the last thing
he said to me and I told him to watch himself.

“They were going to the Ulster American Folk Park. Spanish students would have a
trip every Saturday and local children could go if they wanted to.

“They left here with one of the Spanish students my sister was keeping at the
time. It was five boys and five girls from the town. When they got off the bus
they separated from the girls. The five boys were caught up right in the middle
of it.”

The 45-year-old full-time mother was unaware of the frightening events unfolding
across the border until relatives of others boys on the trip came running to her
door.

“Caoimhe (her daughter) was only eight months and sitting in her pram. I was
standing in the front room looking out the window.

“They came running into the house and I just knew something was wrong.

“They said they were looking through text for football results and read the news
that a bomb had gone off in the centre of Omagh.

“I lifted Caoimhe out of the pram and ran over to a neighbour’s, waiting for a
call back from gardai.”

It was an agonising wait as conflicting news emerged about the boys.

“I kept thinking maybe they were still in the folk park, but then found out they
were in Omagh,” says Bernie.

“I hoped the police would have them in a safe place. I kept thinking ‘I wonder
what Oran is thinking. Is he frightened?’. Everybody gathered in Knockalla and
my sisters who lived nearby came up.

“Some time later we were told some of the children were caught up in the bomb.

“Then we heard they left Omagh, they were on the bus and had got caught up in
traffic but I still couldn’t content myself.

“At around 6pm my sister got a phone call to say Emmett (Oran’s cousin) had been
taken to Enniskillen Hospital and had shrapnel removed from his bowel.

“There was still no news about Oran.

“Patricia Mc-Laughlin (Sean’s mother) kept saying ‘Oran will be all right, he is
with Sean’. We just kept on hoping.

“Then we heard the bus was coming back, so my brother drove me up to meet the
bus. There was no-one on it.

“My brother asked the driver if he knew where Oran and Sean were. He said ‘no.
there are only Spanish students coming in on the other bus’.”

Several hours passed and the uncertainty was replaced by dread as more definite
news started to filter through.

“There was still no word of them at 9pm, we were frantic,” says Bernie.

“My husband (Mickey) and Sean McLaughlin’s daddy and a lot of local people went
to Omagh. We waited by the phone and gave descriptions to the RUC but still no
word.

“Then at around 10pm a garda in the town rang and said ‘is your husband there?’
I said ‘no, he is in Omagh’. She said ‘I have to come back and talk to you, on
your own’.

“I was expecting her to tell me my son was dead. She came back with a doctor
from the town and told me three boys were missing, one was Oran. I let out an
almighty scream.

“It was a long wait overnight. As the night went on, Mickey phoned and said he
was at the leisure centre but there was still no word.

“He said: ‘Don’t worry, I’ll find the wee man and bring him home.’ I replied
‘please do’. I couldn’t sleep, the house was packed as we waited for word.”

By early morning the whole of Buncrana was immersed in grief for the loss of
three young boys.

“At around 7am, I could see from my sister’s window that Patricia McLaughlin had
some word through – there were people hugging each other outside.

“My sister’s phone rang, it was Mickey (her husband), He said ‘did you hear the
news?’, I said ‘Ah, wee Sean is dead’, he then said: ‘Our Oran is dead too’.

“I just threw the phone to the ground.

“It is now all a blur to me. That night my brother and one of my sister’s took
me up to the makeshift morgue to see Oran.

“It was late before we got to see him. It was so horrible. It was a cold place.

“His hair seemed to be all wet. There was a big bruise on his cheek and he had a
lot of burns on his wee fingers and a deep cut on his forehead.

“His bottom lip was pushed out. I kept thinking he must have been crying when he
died. I only found out at the inquest, two years later, that his lip was cut and
had swollen.

“I looked at the body for a while and then returned home. It haunts me to this
day that I left him there.

“When I feel low, I think I shouldn’t have left him.

“I still have the sweets he bought in the folk park. They were found on the bus
with his wee bag. He was so innocent, he was hoping to come home and tell us all
about his day.

“We still have his sweets, but not him.

“There was no need for this.”

Ex-Celtic star Mark Rieper helped carry Oran’s coffin and the young football fan
was buried alongside his friends, Sean and James, whose body was later moved
when his parents moved back to England.

“If we only had one child it would have been more difficult – they (the
children) depended on me,” says Bernie.

“My family helped me, I have seven sisters. They were great.

“An unbelievable amount of people, Catholic and Protestant, came to visit and
attended the wake.

“People have asked how did I cope but if there hadn’t been many people about I
think It would have been far worse.”

Wall space in Bernie and Michael’s living room is at a premium with Oran’s smile
lighting up the darkest of corners.

“Oran was full of fun – a real character. He loved his football and fishing with
his daddy,” says Bernie.

“He wanted to either work in a sweet shop or play for Glasgow Celtic when he
grew up.”

Oran is a regular topic of conversation after dinner with his death affecting
the large family in many ways – but some emotions are too deep and too painful
to expose.

“Not a day goes by when we don’t think about him. The girls talk about him but
Gearoid (who was 12 when Oran died) doesn’t unless you bring it up,” says Bernie

“When something like this happens it is really the parents people think of, the
children can sometimes be forgotten.

“I am very worried about Oisin. He was three-and-half at the time. He was there
that day with me, he wouldn’t leave my side from the minute we heard the boys
were missing.

“I didn’t want him to see Oran in the coffin because of what I thought it might
do to him.

“I remember a few weeks later when we were going to see President Clinton in the
leisure centre, I had the television on that morning and Eamon Holmes was
interviewing someone at the bomb site, Oisin looked at me and said ‘mummy is
that heaven’.

“I couldn’t tell him what happened. Later, someone told me to tell him as much
of the truth as possible and I sat down with him and told him there had been a
bombing and said God took Oran and Sean to heaven.

“I couldn’t tell him about Oran’s injuries, I was afraid of it affecting him. He
wonders who did it and why would they do such a thing. It is so hard to
explain.”

The youngest two in the family Caoimhe, who is five-and-a-half and Cillian, who
is three-and-a-half, did not know Oran but are nevertheless inquisitive about
their brother.

“Cillian knows Oran from his pictures. Caoimhe wouldn’t have remembered Oran,
but she would talk about him and say: ‘Where did Oran go? Why is he dead, why
won’t he come back’,” says Bernie.

“They talk away about him and laugh about the things he used to do. They have
coped well.”

Cillian was born 12 months after Oran’s murder, but new life did not immediately
bring fresh hope.

“The pregnancy wasn’t planned,” says Bernie.

“Cillian was great, he was a healthy baby but it didn’t help ease the pain over
Oran.

“In fact, it was really sad at the time. I found it very hard, I wanted Oran to
see him.”

It’s been a tough five years, but Bernie is slowly beginning to feel more
upbeat.

“I now go out and enjoy myself like I used to. But there are times when you feel
as sad as you were that day.

“Sometimes I just go to bed and cry my eyes out for Oran. Two daughters have got
married since Oran died and there was a sadness on those days.

“It feels so long since I last saw Oran or spoke to him, but other times it
seems like only yesterday.

“When I’m out walking I feel I have to walk to the graveyard or I feel guilty.
For the first few weeks after Oran died I couldn’t go to the graveyard. I kept
thinking Oran was with me anyway, I don’t have to remember him by going to the
graveyard.

“Then one day I felt I had to go. I remember walking to the graveyard thinking
‘imagine, this is where I’m going to see my son’.

“I will always remember Oran, it doesn’t have to be in a graveyard. I wouldn’t
say I will ever get over it but I will go on, I know I will.

“At the time, when it happened, I thought I would never do anything ever again.
Anytime I saw a friend of Oran’s it was so hard but I have coped well.

“There is a big hole in my life. Rita Restorick whose son Stephen (a British
soldier) was killed by the IRA wrote to me and said ‘the emptiness you feel now
will be filled with memories as time goes on’ and I am now beginning to do that.

“Mickey found it harder. He would talk away about Oran but finds it very hard
talking about the bombing itself.

“But we probably are a bit stronger, especially myself. I remember hearing my
father saying at the wake to people ‘our Bernie is very weak, I don’t know how
she is going to cope’.

“People in Buncrana, even to this day, say to me that they still think about it
(Omagh). It was a big shock for the town.”

Although the Omagh families have the tragic events of that day in common, for
Bernie other mothers whose children died in other circumstances, have been her
source for healing.

“We are friendly but we don’t meet or discuss anything. Myself and Patricia
(McLaugh-lin) cope in different ways.

“I meet up with a group of local women once a month who have lost children
through sickness or accidents.

“We remember our children and light a candle for them. I find that a great help
because none of us (the Omagh families) really got together.

“These other mothers share the same feelings even though our children died in
different circumstances.

“It made me realise there are other people too, it is not just us that has lost
a child, there are so many parents out there who have also suffered.”

Like many relatives Bernie is angry about the now well documented flawed
original RUC investigation into the bombing.

While a number of those suspected of being behind the Real IRA attack are behind
bars on unrelated offences, Bernie is adamant that only charges for murder will
satisfy her quest for justice.

“They (police) know who they (killers) are. Police in Omagh that day were very
good but I believe there has been a cover-up by those higher up. I still have
questions,” she says.

“I can’t see them charging anyone with murder now. The punishment should fit the
crime. These people should be convicted for murder.”

About the civil action by some families against those allegedly involved the
bombing, she says: “It is a pity it had to be like that because so many people
are running people down over the civil action because they don’t agree with it.”

The mother is scathing in her criticism of Sinn Féin.

“I think Sinn Féin could have helped to do more to bring these people to justice
for they know who they are. Just because they don’t want to help the
RUC/police,” she says.

“They seek justice for victims of loyalist and British killings, so why
shouldn’t they want justice for ours?”

Asked for her thoughts about the Real IRA, she replies: “The two people who
walked away from a car, left it in a crowded street full of people and children,
I want to know how could they have done it.

“How would they feel if this had of been someone belonging to them? I would like
to say to them how can they go on, being involved in an organisation.

“Stop this now, it is not worth it. Do you want to see more innocent people die?

“If they had stopped after Omagh, maybe some day I would have been able to
forgive. But they are still a group, still together and still planning to take
lives.

“If they are really sorry for all those innocent lives, they should stop now. If
the Provos are willing to have a ceasefire, why can’t they? I can’t forgive them
– I should as a Catholic, but I can’t. Maybe some day...”

Bernie had hoped that the bomb would have been a watershed in paramilitary
activity but fears more innocent lives will be taken by those bent on violence.

“People were saying at the time ‘at least if there are no more lives lost now’,
but I thought ‘why should Oran have had to die?’ ” she says.

“I kept thinking, I don’t care what happens any more, but as time went on I had
hoped it had stopped. But now I see something happening again.

“I certainly don’t want anyone else belonging to me or any other innocent caught
up in something like that again, but the way it is going....I can see it
happening again...

“I can see more lives being lost.”

Should all paramilitaries disband? “Yes, all sides. I have no time for any of
them, no right-thinking person does.”

“My daughter Amanda works in Derry and I would hate to think that she could be
caught up in a bomb or anybody else killed by paramilitaries again.”

The conflict shattered their lives but Bernie wants nothing but permanent peace.

“We listened to the news about what was happening and sympathised but it wasn’t
until it hit our own doorstep that we knew the suffering some people went
through.

“I would just love to see lasting peace, Protestant and Catholics living
together.”

August 15, 2003
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The question is... what is their position on Omagh, who carried it out, and what
should be done to them?

"R. Fitzgerald" <fitz0123@...> wrote:              Supporters back jailed
McKevitt  (Irish News)
     The parents of Bobby Sands came out in support of jailed Real IRA leader
Michael McKevitt yesterday (Thursday).
   Although the couple have rarely courted publicity, a sister of Bobby Sands
said her parents were the "driving force" behind the campaign to free McKevitt.
   He was convicted by the [Free State's] Special Criminal Court in August 2003
of directing terrorism as the leader of the Real IRA and given a 20 year
sentence. McKevitt had earlier been a senior member of the Provisional IRA.
   At an event called 'Human Rights Forum' in west Belfast, Bernadette Sands
McKevitt, McKevitt's wife, said her parents were determined to see her husband
released.
   "Their support has been fantastic," she said.
   "They have been the main instigators of this campaign."
   The family believe McKevitt was "deliberately framed" by MI5, the FBI and
Gardai.
   Mrs Sands McKevitt said her husband expressed some concerns that the campaign
for his release would place his family into the media spotlight.
   "Both the Sands and the McKevitts are very private families," she said.
   "But Michael is fully behind the campaign."
   Mrs Sands McKevitt said she had already contacted human rights organisations
in Europe to complain about her husband's trial.
   And she said she was angry his name was still linked to the 1998 Omagh
bombing.
   "Neither Michael nor I were ever questioned about Omagh," she said.
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19.1385  31.7610  0.3710  86.503    7  Liverpool  Eng  20.5200  14.7125  30.1385
17.7610  0.3710  83.503    8  Olympique Lyon  Fra  10.6125  18.4550  23.7710 
24.5680  3.3090  80.715    9  FC Porto  Por  24.5475  26.3825  13.6950  8.8150 
3.3575  76.797    10  Valencia  Esp  27.1150  29.7230  14.1040  5.1620  0.3060 
76.410    11  Manchester United  Eng  26.5200  15.7125  17.1385  12.7610  3.3710
75.503    12  Chelsea  Eng  5.5200  22.7125  25.1385  17.7610  3.3710  74.503   
13  Newcastle United  Eng  15.5200
  24.7125  27.1385  4.7610  0.3710  72.503    14  Villarreal  Esp  5.1150 
20.7230  22.1040  24.1620  0.3060  72.410    15  PSV Eindhoven  Ned  8.0350 
17.7875  24.9600  13.5025  3.2120  67.497    16  AS Roma  Ita  17.2560  12.9285 
8.6200  19.0675  3.3300  61.202    17  Bayern München  Ger  6.0170  10.5555 
19.4885  17.4440  3.3535  56.858    18  AS Monaco  Fra  2.6125  23.4550  15.7710
14.5680  0.3090  56.715    19  Sevilla  Esp  5.1150  4.7230  16.1040  30.1620 
0.3060  56.410    20  Schalke 04  Ger  11.0170  6.5555  13.4885  24.4440  0.3535
55.858      VfB Stuttgart  Ger  16.0170  11.5555  14.4885  13.4440  0.3535 
55.858    22  Deportivo La Coruña  Esp  19.1150  21.7230  9.1040  5.1620  0.3060
55.410    23  Ajax  Ned  18.0350  6.7875  11.9600  15.5025  0.2120  52.497    24
Celtic  Sco  23.4335  15.4335  8.5675  1.4025  3.3710  52.208    25  AJ Auxerre 
Fra  10.6125  15.4550  19.7710  5.5680  0.3090  51.715    26  Middlesbrough  Eng
3.5200  3.7125  17.1385  25.7610
  0.3710  50.503    27  Benfica  Por  3.5475  13.3825  13.6950  17.8150  0.3575 
48.797    28  AC Parma  Ita  10.2560  9.9285  22.6200  5.0675  0.3300  48.202
Lazio Roma  Ita  23.2560  7.9285  11.6200  5.0675  0.3300  48.202    30  FC
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There are the begrudgers who will say todays victory is against minnows... but
they are still getting points on the table!

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In the 1920's and 30's, Glasgow was notorious for its "Hard Men", gangs of thugs
who terrorised decent people and fought bloody battles against other gangs. The
Billy Boys was one such mob, being token Protestant, they claimed to follow King
William of Orange and fought mainly against similar Roman Catholic gangs. This
war their war song.   Concerned at the wave of violence, authorities appointed a
policeman named Sillitoe as the new Chief Constable for the Glasgow area. He
quickly assembled his own gang of tough policemen and started combating the
thugs on their own territory. One evening he received a message that the Billy
Boys were on the march - very drunk - and that their leader was carrying a baby
girl in his arms.   Sillitoe formed a blockade with his men, then seeing that
the child was in danger, led the charge to snatch her from the thug's arms. In
the subsequent melee the Boys were routed and their ringleaders were ultimately
jailed. Sillitoe greatly eased the
  problem of violence in Glasgow although it remains to this day. - With thanks
to Tom McRae of Australia for this enlightening commentary.

   ===========================

   Apologies to http://www.glasgowguide.co.uk/wjmc/billyboy.shtml from where this
piece was plagarised.

   Sillitoe should have a statue outside Celtic Park!


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Unless we see a major change from the Celtic team, or they rise to the occaon,
we are looking at a very humiliating challenge with Chelsea.

   At this rate, Cork City (who gave Crvena Zvesda a damn good run for their
money, especially in the first match) would beat Celtic if they played them
today.


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11 November 2006: Be in Tullamore for the Jinky Trust Lisbon Lions Night!

Info and Tickets from Martin Rattigan:

Martin Rattigan, 'The Hoops' Market Square, Tullamore, Co. Offaly, Ireland
Telephone - (057) 9320317 thehoopsoffaly@...






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We are trying to get together a mini convoy for the gypsy IDP camps in
Mitrovica, Kosovo where children and adults are suffering the effects of lead
poisoning from the adjacent lead mines.

   Paul Polanksy tells me that "second hand clothes for small kids, and pain
killers for bad teeth are the best aid items." at the present time, and we were
wondering can we get assistance in the following areas:

     1 ) Clothes for children of all ages

   2 )  Painkillers for the dental pains suffered by all ages due to the lead
levels

   3 ) Storage for aforementioned items

   4 ) Transport for the items to Kosovo, to the camps.

   Any assistance in this in the line of donmations of services or material,
sponsorship of transport etc would be welcomed.

   WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR CASH.

   What we need:


    Favourable quote from couriers for transport, sponsorship to be paid DIRECT
to courier to meet the cost.


    Favourable or free storage in the run up to the convoy, hoping to leave in
the end of September.


    Favourable quoatations for the dental painkillers.

   These are small things where every child born since 1999 is mentally retarted
to some degree due to the lead poisoning. 29 are dead from it, as can be seen on
the documentary Gypsy Blood (see links below.)

   See www.PaulPolansky.com and www.celtichosting.com/kosovoroma for more info.

   Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_in_Mitrovica_Camps


European Roma Rights Centre
European Court of Human Rights
United Nations Human Rights Committee
Daniel Lanctot
Gypsy Blood: The Roma, Ashali and Egyptian IDPs of Mitrovica, Kosovo Internet at
the Internet Movie Database
KRRF's website
Preview of Gypsy Blood in MPEG format
Preview of Gypsy Blood in DIVX format

================================  Forward this message to all who can help by
way of publicity.

   Tom Carty
13 Church St, Tullamore, Co. Offaly
087 2972165

   Christ was the first socialist-

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Never has the 4-1 defeat of brave little Killie sounded so good to a Celts ears
after the hoorrs weendured during what will be remebered as the Tour of Shame,
so bad were the preformances and results of the Poland - USA tour of 2006.

   The real test is when we meet the real enemy... the Gers. What will happen
then? Can the keep the nerve, or will they fall part...?

   At least it looks like were on the road again...


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Its hard to tell, only an international inquiry will bring out the truth.

Brian <brian896@...> wrote:          The Sunday Mail around Dec 99, I
think, ran a story about a former
M.I.5 informant whom had participated in the build up to the Omagh
Bombing. He stated on the record that he had personally given two
weeks notice of the bomb and the site, and he continued to say that
they, (M.I.5) had deliberately ran the people into the blast zone
instead of away from it. No-one, until I have read this has seemed
bothered to speak of that day, since. The guy involved in the article
had been heavily involved in Republican Activism, for the Provos and
various 'Splinter' groups, but was recruited into M.I.5 in the 80s. I
don't know how true his story was, but he said the reason he was
speaking out was that, "both sides (were going) to kill him", meaning
the Government and P.I.R.A. But with all that has happened since, I
could well believe his version.





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I cannae understand Celtic fans in general and the Irish Diaspora in
particular, who are racist. I've heard Celtic fans tellin 'Paki's',
Indians and Blacks to 'get tae fuck back tae yur ain country'. On a
recent 1981 Memorial Parade I couldnae believe ma ears. Am 26 an a
couple a' them wer a few years older, bit some wur younger. A tried
tae ask if WE should go back, but they didnae get it. Am only 4th
Generation Scots, an wan ae the boys they were shoutin it turned oot
tae be 3rd Generation Scots-Indian. How can we take the Moral High
Ground? Fair anuff, we don't huv as big a problem wi Religious
Sectarianism as Kinning Park, bit we ur jist as bad when race is
involved. We need tae stamp it oot. I just wanted tae kick thur baws,
bit a suppose they only learn it fae thur parents ur pals, so we
should get them educated, that used tae be wan ae our strengths. Git
it the gither bhoys.

The Sunday Mail around Dec 99, I think, ran a story about a former
M.I.5 informant whom had participated in the build up to the Omagh
Bombing. He stated on the record that he had personally given two
weeks notice of the bomb and the site, and he continued to say that
they, (M.I.5) had deliberately ran the people into the blast zone
instead of away from it. No-one, until I have read this has seemed
bothered to speak of that day, since. The guy involved in the article
had been heavily involved in Republican Activism, for the Provos and
various 'Splinter' groups, but was recruited into M.I.5 in the 80s. I
don't know how true his story was, but he said the reason he was
speaking out was that, "both sides (were going) to kill him", meaning
the Government and P.I.R.A. But with all that has happened since, I
could well believe his version.

There's two sets of odds that make this discovery really way out," said
Wallace. "First of all, it's unlikely that something this fragile could survive
buried in a bog at all, and then for it to be unearthed and spotted before it
was destroyed is incalculably more amazing."
   The book has about 20 pages and experts believe it was written by monks
between 800 and 1000 AD.
   Book found open
   Painstakingly copied in Latin script, it was found open to a page describing
Psalm 83, in which God hears complaints of other nations' attempts to wipe out
the name of Israel.
   Wallace described the book's binding and cover as "leather velum, very thick
wallet in appearance."   It could take months of study just to identify the
safest way to pry open the pages without damaging them, he said.

   From http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2006/07/25/bog-book.html

   ===========================================

   A message from God in an Irish Bog?

   In days when it has never been so fashionable to be anti-Israel, and with her
enemies trying to have her wiped out... is it too far fetched that the script
fund in the Irish bog is a message from God saying to give Israel a chance in
its defence against the Islamofascists?

   It cannot be mere coincidence...

   (sorry if this post seems a little off the wall, its just what sprang to min
on hearing the quotation)


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At last Celtic have got some sort of victory... even if only over Everton.

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Jimmy Johnstone CSC
www.JimmyJohnstoneCSC.com
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      -->  Celts return with a win   Pre-season Friendly
Sunday July 23, 2006
Celtic Park, Glasgow
CELTIC… 1
(McGeady 78)
EVERTON… 0

   Celtic recorded their first win of this pre-season, Aiden McGeady's
second-half goal enough to give Gordon Strachan's side a 1-0 victory over
Everton.





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Omagh, the Conspiracy and the Coverups

   Omagh was an atrocity, on the face of it, comitted by republicans on Irish
nationalists. The result, apart from the innocent dead, was a fall in support
for the violent struggle at a crucial time for the peace deal of the time.

   A number of theoruies have been forwarded about why it was done: it being
pointed out that Omagh gave the largest majority to Provisional Sinn Fein in the
previos council elections, and it was an attack to revenge that supposed sell
out.

   A popular one among republicans is that MI5 infiltrated, and set up the
bombing to bring bad press to republicanism.

   The third, and initial one was the bomb was in transit, exploding prematurley.

   Calls to the samaritans were reported to be misleading, directing people
towards the bombing.

   The Conspiracy and Coverup

   Those who claim it was a conspiracy point to the following: Brian Cowen wished
to meet with leaders of the RIRA, and duly a hertofor unthinkable ceasefire was
declared. A fudged investigation was launched, leading to the jailing of the
lowest members of the gang, and the supposed leader of the RIRA Michael Mc
Kevitt.

   Information was not passed either between Gardai and RUC.

   The Consequences

   In the imidiate aftermath, a signifigand boost was given to the Adams PSF
faction, and RIRA support fell away. However that has since rallied, keeping its
strenght to spite breakaway factions forming.

   We also have the worst record for atrocities: twice the toll of Bloody Sunday.

   So what should be done?

   If it was the attack on civilians for political slights, it is the worst thing
to happen in Irish freedoms struggle. People have the right to choose, even when
their choice goes against others beliefs. To go against that principle is to go
against democratic belief: and we become as bad as our enemies. As a war crime
it should be treated as such.

   If it is the middle option: only an international UN investigation will flush
out what happened. This is also a war crime, allbeit a political one of a dirty
war.

   The latter is a tragic accident, which should have been declared intiitally,
to an international comission.

   Sadly, I think, we will never know what happened, and see real justice for
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A date for all Celt fan diaries is coming up in November when members of the
Lisbon Lions once more decent on Tullamore for a night of craic, ceol agus
caint.

   Clubs are invited to come along: bring your banners etc, and your wallets too
as there will be an auction of memorabilia from the club on the night.

   The man responsible once again is Martin Rattigan of The Hoops, Market Square,
Tullamore, who tells us he is delighted to have the opportunity of introducing
the locals to the legends of Celtic as these men are.

   Last year we enjoyed the company of Tommy Gemmell and Bertie Auld, sharing a
pint with them in the Celtic Bar (now the Barge Inn) on Harbour street, before
enjoying the memorable function in the Old Bond Store on Bury Quay, where a
great night was had by all.

   Once again, the proceeds will be going to the Jimmy Johnstone Fund for Motor
Nuron disease, of which Jinky (R.I.P) died of earlier this year.

   More details will be posted as they arrive in: anyone hoping to get a busload
or carload down to Tullamore can email Martin directly at thehoopsoffaly@...




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Difficult Season Ahead: Is Strachan up to the Job?

   Going abroad is proving disasterous for Celtic, first in Poland and then in
America.

   Strachan seems to have let the club fall apart by not securing the services of
longtimers while trying to build together a new and younger team.

   Everyone knows it takes time to gel these teams, but its too much of a clean
break between the old and the new, with Neil Lennon proving the only leadership
link of substance between the two.

   Last season, a houdini act was pulled, and it could have so easy been the
Jambos season - a fact a lot put down to the kick in the posterior given by the
arrival of Roy Keane. Well, Keane is not there this season, the Gers have new
comitted management and the Jambos are still looking sharp as ever.

   Many commentators are saying the European comittments will further drain them:
if the have results like in Poland and America, they need not worry about
Europe: they'll be out first thing.

   I predicted last season that Celtic would be in trouble: thankfully I was well
wide of the mark after the Artemeda fisco, and things came OK. I feel uneasy
again, as do many supporters: I just hope Im wrong as hell again.

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   Jimmy Johnstone Celtic Supporters Club
www.jimmyjohnstonecsc.com
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   Those wishing to join the club can email us at info@... if
you are in the Offaly, Westmeath and Laois areas.

   Merachandise avaialable at www.cafepress.com/jjcsc


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The official range of badges and merchandise from the Jimmy Johnstone Celtic
Supporters Club is available on their CafePress store at www.cafepress.com/jjcsc

   Jackets and polo shirts can be purchased by emailing The Hoops
(www.thehoops.ie) on thehoopsoffaly@...

   Visit their website at www.JimmyJohnstoneCSC.com and sign the guesbook to say
you were there: also get some of the wallpapers from the site for your computer.

   Hail hail!

   Tom Carty,
   PRO JJCSC


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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/supporterscorner

A new place for fans all over the order, where no subject is off
topic.
Come and vote the team with the greatest number of fans across the
globe. This is the first group of teams (AC Milan vs Lyon, Juventus vs
Real Madrid, Olympique Marseille vs Liverpool, Barcelona vs Man. Utd).

The winner of this group will face the winner from the next group of
teams, which includes: Internazionale, AS Roma, Valencia, Deportivo la
Coruna, Bayern Munchen, Borussia Dortmund, Arsenal, Chelsea. This
group will start from the 10th of August.

===================
Heirs to a Vision
===================

   Celtic football club is something created as a result of a vision: of Brother
Walfrid who saw how sport can help the poor, and to his vision we are all heirs.

   In commemmoration of this, we are releasing a number of wallpapers and
screensavers, hopefully focusing on the less well known Celts who made the club
what it is today.

   We need better pix and pictures from other Tims, indeed old pix of supporters
from bygone days would be brilliant too.

   See link for Heirs to A Vision wallpaper


   The Screensaver can be downloded from here

   Better graphics will be included on next update. Anyone wishing to submit pix
for wallpapers and screensavers from JJCSC can email me at this email or at
info@...


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Jimmy Johnstone Celtic Supporters Club

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NEXT MEETING
DOWLINGS OF HARBOUR STREET, TULLAMORE

WEDNESDAY 12 JULY.

8.30 PM

ALL MEMBERS NOT THROWING STONES AT THE
LOYAL BRETHERNS ARE ASKED TO ATTEND.

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   -------------------------------------
5 A Side Tournament in Portaloise
-------------------------------------

   The bhoys of the Jimmy Johnstone Celtic Supporters Club had the joy of playing
against one of the new emerging talents in the form of Paul Cahillane from
Portlaoise, who is playing in the Celtic acadamy.

   While the geriatrics and fatties of the JJCSC regretted the beers and the
burgers, had we been given the six goal handicap we asked for we would have
stood our ground.

   Alas, it was not to be.

   After one win, a draw and two losses, we were only too glad to not qualify for
the finals.

   Expert diving instructions were given by one player from our side who'll
remain nameless, he just has to remeber to wait till theres someone beside him
to blame before he falls!

   See the website at www.JimmyJohnstoneCSC.com for more.

   ------------------------------------
New Verses for the THREE LIONS
------------------------------------

   A few new verses for the Three Lions, so Irish and Scots can sing loudly to a
classic air without making the Saxon feel good about themselves.

   They cant believe
They cant believe
They cant believe

That they are going home
They're going home
They're going home
That they are
That they are going home...

Tears from gobshites dressed in red
"Though we'd win" it they said
Had plans to be a t the final but instead...
Theyre going home...
Theyre going home
Theyre going home

It could have been all
Riots in the street
It was nearly complete
It was nearly so sweet
And now were singing

Brits: youre going home
Y'oure going home
Y'oure going home
Y'oure going home

YOU ARE GOING HOME!

Three lions on a shirt
Jules Rimet still gleaming
Another four years of hurt
So much for your for dreaming

Talk about football coming home
You were strong, you had grown
But it was not to be your day
Portugal sent you eejits on your way...

Brits: youre going home
Y'oure going home
Y'oure going home
Y'oure going home

YOU ARE GOING HOME.

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Oil up your voices Celts (and the few Gers fans who are Scots Nats)
No more will we cringe at hearing the Three Lions air: we'll just sing our
words!

Jimmy Johnstone CSC
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Which club team has the greatest number of fans across Europe?
You can find the poll at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/supporterscorner

A place for the worldwide suppporters. We thought this challenge like
a tournament which is at the quarter of finals phase. The matched
teams are:

AC Milan vs Lyon
Juventus vs Real Madrid
Olympique Marseille vs Liverpool
Barcelona vs Manchester Utd.

The team which gets the bigger number of votes from each game
qualifies for the semifinals. The polls close on the 19th of July. On
the 20th of July there will be the draw for the semifinals.

England are out!

     There are many happy Scots and Irish these days as England have been knocked
out by Portugal.

   The top tip for the champions now is Germany, with BoyleSports offering 6/4 on
them to lift the title.

   Should you know any BritBoys, sing a chorus of:

   They cant believe
   They cant believe
   They cant believe

   That they are going home
   They're  going home
   They're  going home
   That they are
   That they are going home...

   Tears from gobshites dressed in red
   "Though we'd win" it they said
   Had plans to be a t the final but instead...
   Theyre going home...
   Theyre going home
   Theyre going home

   It could have been all
Riots in the street
It was nearly complete
It was nearly so sweet
And now were singing

   Brits: youre going home
   Y'oure going home
   Y'oure going home
   Y'oure going home

   YOU ARE GOING HOME!

   Three lions on a shirt
Jules Rimet still gleaming
Another four years of hurt
So much for your for dreaming

Talk about football coming home
You were strong, you had grown
But it was not to be your day
   Portugal sent you eejits on your way...

   Brits: youre going home
   Y'oure going home
   Y'oure going home
   Y'oure going home

   YOU ARE GOING HOME.

   ==============================================

   Oil up your voices Celts (and the few Gers fans who are Scots Nats)
   No more will we cringe at hearing the Three Lions air: we'll just sing our
words!

   Jimmy Johnstone CSC
   www.JimmyJohnstoneCSC.com
Come on over to our site and say hail hail!


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Those looking for Celtic FC artwork can get some from the Hoops website at
www.TheHoops.ie

   Martin carries a wise range of Celtic FC and republican artwork and poster and
tsirt prints for any Tim fan.

   Art.com also have a wide and extensive range of Celtic FC prints, and the
Jimmy Johnstone CSC CafePress store also has a few items of intrest.

   Any firther resources can be emailed to me and Ill put them on the new Celtic
Resources directory Im placing together.

   tomasocarthaigh@...


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It is often debated as to just what was the issues surrounding Dev opposing the
Treaty... I found on the net the wording of the actual debate.

   It makes interesting reading.

   Previos debates leading to this one, and subsequent debates can be found by
navigating through the site.

   http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/D/DT/D.T.192201060002.html

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