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BBC Conspiracy Files: 9/11 & Princess Diana   Message List  
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Sunday's BBC TV programme, in the "Conspiracy Files" series, about the third
tower in New York that collapsed on 9/11, several hours after the other two
towers, can be viewed at http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ck4jd (but it
may only be viewable within the UK and it is probably only available for a week
after broadcast). Some short trailers/excerpts are available at YouTube (search
for "Conspiracy Files" or go to http://youtube.com/watch?v=BP_GyIV76-Q).
 
The programme provided a lot of strong evidence for a conspiracy:
 
* The third tower collapsed without a plane hitting it, supposedly due to fire.
On no other occasion in history has a building with steel support collapsed due
to fire (unless you count the twin towers that collapsed earlier that day with
the planes hitting them starting fires before they collapsed).
 
* The tower collapsed virtually at freefall speed, like the other two towers, in
seconds, like a controlled demolition.
 
* The collapse was so symmetrical that the steel supports on different sides of
the building had to give way at precisely the same time. It was very similar but
much more symmetrical than examples of controlled demolition shown in the
programme, indicating that something more advanced than conventional explosives
was used.
 
* It appears that the steel melted to cause the collapse (red hot metal was
spotted in the wreckage hours after the collapse), and it was suggested that an
advanced explosive material called "thermite" (or "nanothermite") was used. A
thermite explosion was demonstrated in a lab.
 
* The building contained offices for the CIA and other secret services and
government departments, and was probably where the conspiracy was hatched so the
collapse was to destroy evidence.
 
* A fire alarm test was taking place all day (incredible in any building let
alone one with such important offices in it).
 
* Reporter Barry Jennings ignored the fire alarm and investigated the tower
after it had been evacuated. He said he went into an emergency response centre
that was empty but had still hot coffee, heard explosions within the building
and stepped over bodies (despite the official story that there was no loss of
life in that building).
 
* It was reported on TV news programmes (including the BBC by Jane Standley, a
journalist in New York) that the tower had collapsed or was collapsing, before
it actually did so. Some people have criticised Jane for being part of the
conspiracy but it seems that she was just fed that not yet up-to-date
information.
 
* The live satellite link from the BBC in the UK to Jane Standley broke down
with the picture becoming pixilated (like with digital TV when there is a bad
signal) during the interview. The official explanation was that a satellite
subscription had expired and an automatic timer kicked in - but I've never heard
of that happening on any other occasion and for it to happen then hardly seems
to be a coincidence!
 
* BBC tapes of news on 9/11 were lost, and eventually found on the 2002 shelf
(rather than 2001). The programme said this showed it was "a cock-up rather than
a conspiracy", but it certainly could be part of a massive conspiracy!
 
If you take one particular item from the above list, it may be possible to
concoct a fairly plausible story, and the programme did give some official (but
not particularly plausible) explanations, but them all happening on the same
day: a coincidence? Hardly!
 
The previous programme in the series about 9/11 (aired on February 2007, also
viewable on the BBC website at http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00795mb)
was heavily criticised for being biased against the conspiracy theorists.
However, there was some very convincing evidence of a conspiracy towards the
start of that programme, with the second half concentrating on views of the
establishment (which viewers tended to forget due to receiving a lot of complex
information and a limited amount of short term memory). The start of the
programme (all in the first fifteen minutes I think) included the following:
 
* There were a few separate and clearly viewable explosions in (at least) one of
the twin towers below the point at which it was collapsing. This certainly
confirms the controlled demolition theory.
 
* The US secret services had been planning for the possibility of a plane being
hijacked and flown into a tower before 9/11 (which establishment figures
including George W Bush lied about).
 
* Interceptor planes, that could have shot the hijacked aircraft down, were
(deliberately in my opinion) sent the wrong way.
 
Somebody on my "assassination-of-princess-diana" discussion group (at Yahoo!)
asked where I got my information on 9/11 from. I initially got evidence from
links provided by Mark Rabinowitz's website http://www.oilempire.us. I then got
information from the first BBC documentary, after which I wrote my "9/11 Inside
Job" song. I have also got information from "Loose Change" videos at YouTube,
last Friday's BBC ten o'clock news and of course the second BBC documentary.
 
When I checked Rabinowitz's website more recently I noticed that it tended to
promote some of the less convincing conspiracy ideas, and I have just checked it
again which appears to confirm my suspicion that Rabinowitz is an agent of the
establishment. He rubbishes "Loose Change", saying that it contains a lot of
false conspiracy theories (which any film made by a group of people is bound to
do so), suggesting that the CIA were responsible for those videos. Whereas
CIA/FBI involvement in some of the conspiracy ideas would be expected, to try to
discredit the whole project, writer/director Dylan Avery came across in the BBC
programmes as extremely genuine.
 
If you search for "Loose Change" at YouTube, with quotes around it to ensure
consecutive words, you get an estimate of 2500 videos! Some are obviously better
than others; I was disappointed with a video of the first part when I watched it
in the spring of 2007, but the second part seemed to contain evidence of the
explosions (judging by the commentary but I was doing other things on the
computer at the time so I couldn't be certain). I therefore checked out part 2
of the "Final Cut" before sending my message on Sunday urging people to watch
the BBC programme that evening. The evidence of explosions towards the start of
that video wasn't as convincing as the BBC coverage (but there was smoke coming
from the bottom of the tower and several eye-witnesses said they heard the sound
of explosions/bombs.
 
There is censorship at YouTube. Somebody once pointed out that searches fail to
find videos on some occasions than they find at others. Also, the video listed
first when you now search for "Loose Change" (with over 1.4 million views)
stopped both times I tried to play it on my laptop a small amount in and caused
the Internet Explorer window on a computer in an internet cafe on which I played
it to close prematurely (at about or exactly the same point). It therefore makes
sense for those "Loose Change" video-makers who have predominantly good
intentions to help produce some less convincing videos as well as the better
ones, in order to ensure that the truth gets out to a wide audience.
 
Rabinowitz fails to actually say what conspiracy theories he actually agrees
with, apart from giving an unremarkable connection to oil (and "peak oil" in
particular which he appears to have an obsession with). He has a page on videos,
but plugs ones you need to buy rather than watch on the internet for free.
Personally, I trust "Loose Change" and the BBC far more than Rabinowitz.
 
I am also inclined to distrust Rabinowitz because he reported me to my email
provider (Yahoo!) after I sent him the lyrics of my "9/11 Inside Job" song
(after recording it as a musical poem and much more recently recorded with my
band Red Day) thanking him for his help in inspiring me to write it! He had
previously threatened to report me for sending him "spam", and a CAPTCHA
appeared when I next logged in to my email account to check that I am not a
computer program.
 
Rabinowitz did usefully point me towards a report in 2000 by the Project for a
New American Century (which includes vice-president Dick Cheney among its
members and then defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld was a founder member) saying
that "some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor" would be
needed as a pretext for their plans for "United States global hegemony".
 
Rabinowitz's website also informed me about the Skull and Bones Society
(sometimes known as the Order of the Skull and Bones) - a very secretive
organisation based at Yale University including George W Bush (and two past
presidents including Bush's father) and John Kerry as members! The society's
Wikipedia page confirms that information. Rabinowitz argued that the 2004
presidential election was between two different wings of the Skull and Bones
Society and therefore it didn't matter who won. I emailed him arguing that this
shows that that conspiratorial organisation was in fact infiltrated by left-wing
conspirators and that Kerry was actually playing a good role. Kerry pledged in a
live TV debate with Bush to tax the rich (reversing 85 or 90 billion dollars of
tax cuts Bush had granted to people earning over $200,000 a year) and close all
tax loopholes. Bush fraudulently won that election, as pointed out on my
"us-electoral-fraud" group (at Yahoo!).
 
The trick of putting establishment propaganda towards the end of the programme
was also used in the episode in the "Conspiracy Files" series on the death of
Princess Diana, which I still believe was an assassination despite the result of
the inquest. The inquest was highly flawed in only allowing conspiracy theories
of Mohammed al-Fayed (obviously because his son Dodi died in Paris) to be
presented, and much more convincing theories by investigators like David Cohen
(author of the brilliant book "Diana: Death of a Goddess") were not heard.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assassination-of-princess-diana/message/67 to read
my views on Diana's assassination.
 
There are some factors common to 9/11 and Diana conspiracies in there being a
large number of people involved and a lot of complex planning by conspiratorial
organisations, which I believe is partly done in people's minds and partly by
computer programs. In any political organisation (conspiratorial or open),
members decide (democratically or otherwise) on particular aims, and strategies
and tactics in order to try to achieve those aims. Members of the organisation
tend to be loyal to it and back up other members whether they have genuine or
ulterior motives, because to do otherwise would lead them to be ostracised.
Those who are tempted to leave such an organisation to become a whistle-blower
may be threatened (as Barry Jennings was despite not being a conspirator) and
indeed (with so much at stake) bumped off.
 
I have actually implemented (and was the main designer of) an artificial
intelligence/simulation language called SDML (standing for Strictly Declarative
Modelling Language) on which complex modelling of the world, analysing past
events, predicting the future and deciding what to do to achieve your desired
outcomes, is possible. I am currently working on improvements to it to speed up
database accessing, and will put a new version of it (as open source Smalltalk
code) soon at http://www.sdml.org.uk. Such software could be used for very bad
purposes if used by certain organisations so I'll be careful about publicising
it - I've deliberately mentioned it at the end of this very political message in
order to reach the more socialist and libertarian-inclined people who are likely
to read it.
 
----- Original Message ----
From: Steve Wallis <revolutionarysocialiststeve@...>
Subject: BBC 9/11 "Conspiracy Files" pogramme tonight on demolition of third
tower


The BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation) 10 o'clock news on Friday included an
item on the third tower that collapsed in New York on 9/11, without being hit by
a plane. There is a programe in the "Conspiracy Files" series on BBC2 tonight
(Sunday 6 July) at 9pm, about 9/11 conpiracy theories focusing on the third
tower.
 
That tower contained the CIA and FBI headquarters, and was obviously demolished
to remove evidence of a conspiracy. It collapsed several hours after the other
two (and apparently its collapse was reported on in the news before the collapse
actually happened) and nobody died (so it was obviously evacuated). The BBC news
item reported that finally there is an official explanation - which didn't
sound at all plausible to me, but watch the "Conspiracy Files" programme and
judge for yourself...
 
All three towers collapsed in about ten seconds, in the same way as buildings
collapse when explosives are used. I urge those who doubt a conspiracy (or those
who want more evidence of one) to watch "Loose Change" videos at YouTube. Part
2 (of a three part series) provides the best evidence of explosives being used
to bring the towers down. Watch the Final Cut of part 2
at http://youtube.com/watch?v=yAS4TIYF68A to see smoke rising from the bottom
of one of the towers as it starts to collapse and to hear many eye-witnesses
reporting exlosions/bombs (near the begining of that clip). That clip has been
rated (by 180 viewers) at a maximum five stars, so the evidence of a conspiracy
obviously convinces YouTube viewers.
 
The Project for a New American Century (of which Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney
are members) argued for "a new Pearl Harbor", and lo and behold, one took place.
An earlier "Conspiracy Files" progamme on 9/11 pointed out that interceptor
planes were sent in the wrong direction to avoid stopping the civilian aircraft
from crashing into the towers.
 
I was inspired by that programme to write a song called "9/11 Inside Job", which
my band Red Day recently did a recording of. You can read the lyrics or download
it from http://www.red-day.net/lyrics/911-3.html, or go to my page on one
of the social networking sites (MySpace/Facebook/Bebo) in the signature below.
 
--
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