Italians immigrated to Ireland in the 1830s and brought many valuable trades
with them. The professional classes soon copped on to the fact that being of the
established religion got you places in Ireland, and they quickly changed faith.

This is how Edward Carsons grandfather and family came ot Ireland. Carsoni -
their Italian name - is an Italian name, totally unrelated to the incidentaly
Scottish name of Carson. On aglicisation of faith, they also changed the name.

The Union worked well for the business classes, and they passionaltly believed
in it. That is why Carson was so Union orientated, though himself not
anti-catholic.

Working class Italians stayed Catholic, suffered under the system, and allied
with the Irish. Hence Scappatici, Notorantonio and company.

Rivalry between Irish and Italians in the sites in Glasgow and New York led to
heightented anti-wop (as the Irish called them) sentiment coming back home...
allied to this was the North African wars and skirmishes between Italian
colonies and British ones, where a lot of Irish were stationed.

To this day, in my family, Italians are not trusted, accused of being lazy,
smile and stab you in the back, etc. Having worked with them myself, while some
do fill that profile, most are like us... some a LOT better.

And their womenfolk are EXTREMELY shaggable! 8=======)

The Arabs... well by nature Egypt allied with britian, so it follows the
allaince stays home in the Empire Main State.

We should remeber that Hitler had the Skanderg regiment in Bosnia and Kosovo,
made of Slavic Muslims and Albanians, so the Nazism is flexible where it suits.

Of the Semetic peoples, Nazism only gaults the Jews.

www.JimmyJohnstoneCSC.com

HAIL HAIL FROM THE JINKY BHOYS!

Artybhoy <artybhoy_1981@...> wrote:
There's load's of italians in ireland, scapatticci was ira, fransisco
notorantonio ira, angelo fusco,ira & loads more.. The egyptians andre,ihab & yuk
shoukri are in the UDA their father is egyptian and their mother irish i think.
What's strange is the uda are conected to neo nazi groups combat 18 among
other's, the uda fly jew flag's & hate colored people. so i wonder what they do
with the shoukris when the neo nazi's come over? hide them?

Rainer Hill <gwydion1960@...> wrote: May I ask you a silly question?
What I don't understand is when the UVF and the other loyalist are should be
irish (in my opinion) what are all the "foreigners" like Scap.. and the
Shoukri-Brother to do with ?

I thought it should be an irish org only for irish and those who are from
irish or wanted to become irish again.



Artybhoy <artybhoy_1981@...> schrieb:
I got Scap, now I'm after you
Martin McGuinness has said the allegation that he was a British spy is nonsense.
Political Editor Stephen Dempster talks to Martin Ingram, the man who said
Freddie Scappaticci was Stakeknife and is now saying that the Sinn Fein MP and
chief negotiator was a double agent
FORMER Army intelligence officer Martin Ingram said last night: "I'm going after
Martin McGuinness and I will get him, just as I got Freddie Scappaticci."
The man who this week made the startling claim that the Sinn Fein MP was a
British spy reiterated the allegation to the News Letter, saying he would stick
by it and eventually see it proved true.
"This is a marathon, not a sprint," he said. "I was discredited and vilified
over Scappaticci. It took 18 months from outing him to seeing him flee to Italy.
Does anyone now dispute that he was Stakeknife?
"I have no wish to lie or make things up for the sake of it. That's not what I
am about. I believe Martin McGuinness to be an agent. He has been a protected
species."
Mr McGuinness has described the suggestions that he was working for MI6 as "a
load of hooey", "absolute nonsense" and "total rubbish".
And he pointed the finger at a DUP/Special Branch agenda to discredit him and
destabilise the peace process and
republicanism – similar to previous scandals that have arisen at crucial moments
in political talks.
Most people cannot believe that a man who has been for 35 years so prominently
entrenched in republicanism could possibly be a British agent.
Some in the media have also dismissed Ingram's allegations and noted that the
evidence published by the Sunday World was "flimsy".
It amounted to an alleged transcript of a phone conversation between an MI6
handler and an informer codenamed J118, who a
Special Branch officer has identified to Ingram as Mr McGuinness.
But given that Ingram has credibility and a strong track record in the area of
outing spies and misdeeds in the shadowy intelligence world – particularly in
the Scapaticci and Pat Finucane cases – the Sunday World believed in its source
and published.
The News Letter tracked Ingram down and asked him if he could prove his claim,
noting that Martin McGuinness said he was "one million per cent" sure there was
no evidence to stand it up.
Ingram said: "I would agree with him. I will not be able to produce a document
or a tape that proves he was a British agent.
"I could not do that in relation to Freddie Scappaticci, to convince everybody
of what I was saying. It took time for it to sink in and be established.
"People should remember that Martin McGuinness has a history of lying throughout
the Troubles and I have a history of telling the truth."
Speaking of the MI6 transcript and the verification he said he got from a
Special Branch man, Ingram said: "The man is a
serving Special Branch officer who's coming to the end of his time and is
frustrated at what's gone on, and I have no reason whatsoever to doubt him when
he says J118 is McGuinness.
"I have had this document for two years. It's not just happened overnight.
Frankly, I wanted more material but things did not go just as I wanted.
"Am I in any doubt that the document refers to McGuinness? What is crucial here
is what the republican movement believes. It will know."
It is understood Mr McGuinness met IRA intelligence officer Bobby Storey and
Sinn Fein man Declan Kearny for a debriefing at Connolly House in Andersonstown
on
Monday morning.
Ingram also claims he has been told that republicans are very suspicious on the
issue.
He hinted that more could emerge on Mr McGuinness, and vowed to deal with a
succession of incidents that have marked the Sinn Fein man's political and
paramilitary life.
"I will address these points, given time," said Ingram, who served as a Force
Research Unit (FRU) handler in Londonderry in the 1980s and knew of Mr
McGuinness and his activities intimately. Let's take Martin McGuinness and just
some of what we know. He lived in Derry from the start of the Troubles. He was
an IRA commander in the city – self-confessed.
"Never interned. Never charged with any terrorist offences in Northern Ireland.
Never attacked by loyalists. But I have testaments from loyalists who say they
were going to kill him but were compromised or thwarted by sudden military
presence.
"Then there are the supergrasses Raymond Gilmour and Bobby Quigley, who put 50
people away in Derry and were both willing and able to testify against
McGuinness on his operational role in Derry and Ireland, and the police were
stopped from charging him with an offence.
"Moving on, the Cook Report in the early 90s made a string of allegations
against McGuinness which led to Operation Taurus, a police investigation into
him.
"The evidence gathered for prosecution was dropped because it was not in the
public interest to prosecute him? What was the public interest?"
Mr McGuinness is alleged to have played a role in the murder of IRA informer
Frank Hegarty.
He has always denied ordering the killing and Scappaticci denied carrying it
out.
But Ingram had been Hegarty's handler in Londonderry, which will lead sceptics
to suggest that this personal interest leaves him open to suggestions of a
vendetta against Martin McGuinness.
"Look, I'm totally open about that issue. This is a very serious subject and it
took the life of one of my agents," he said. "I, of all people, do not treat
this stuff lightly.
"I am doing this for the truth and for justice. There's no money involved. I
never sought, nor was offered a penny (for the Sunday World story]. Nor is there
a book deal.
"The motivation is the truth of what has happened – though I did promise Ryan
Hegarty (Frank Hegarty's son] that I would bring Scappaticci and McGuinness to
justice for their roles in his father's murder.
"By that I do not mean kill them. I mean justice. I got Freddie. He is a man on
the run and I am pursuing him through the courts for perjury. Now I'm going
after McGuinness and I will get him, just as I got Freddie."
01 June 2006


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