Lots of good ino Steve... Thanks for the link... Keep me updated John Holzhall
of K.I.T.E.S
I will teach on the new WW Sparks, shorter line for sure... Especially in
Ontario where room
is limited... Better buffer zones for beginners and more...

Maybe he pushes allot, but I gues that's innovation at work... going for
solutions... and
then pulling back if there is something better...

Yeah, could be difficult in gusts with not as much recovery time for the kites
in lulls...
Chasta the OZONE snowkiter says he uses 35m line in undulation hill areas on
snow...

I plan for 3 bars 45-50-56 with line sets 20 23 26m lines options on new
kites... i don't
like swtitching lines either and have gotten spoil with bars always attached to
my winter
Ozone Frenzy's. Still dying to get out after this transitional weather...

Kite comming in Monday

Paul


--- In cankitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "Steve 9000racer" <airtime1@h...> wrote:
> I played with shorter lines on my peterlynn G2 kites this winter.. I found
> that the kites did not fly well under 20m .. the best has still been the
> factory set up of 27m I even like adding 10 m extension's....
>
> having said that .. I always flew my flysurfers 15.5 Titan on 18 to 20m
> lines and it ran great like that .. turned much quicker.. and yes the power
> was dramatically reduced. I think on those kites, it really doesn't matter,
> since they are not designed to be sined through the power zone... BIG foils
> get their power from when you pump the bar, not from when you try to sine
> them... there just isn't enough forward speed to generate tons of power
> because of the to drag generated.. the wind needs to be there to get the
> power to begin with.
>
> John Holzhall of K.I.T.E.S teaching program in Hawaii, is sending us some
> Betty loops and some segments of lines this spring, he wants me to shoot
> some pictures of my son flying using short lines.. he plans to put them in
> his next book. I'm okay with his teaching system. I have his video, and it
> makes sense... however I find it a bit of a pain to change the lines in
> increments.
>
> in watching John's posts over the last year, I find him a little fanatical,
> when it comes to short lines... he's a firm believer that it's dangerous to
> have long lines are beginners or intermediate Kiteers... however on inland
> waterways like we have here in Ontario, long lines help us get clean
> wind...I find the wind in a lot of places that I go to to be turbulent and
> gusty due to obstacles or the shape of the adjacent land.. the higher up by
> put the kite, the better it flies... John may be accurate, but I think local
> conditions help play a huge factor in this issue... (John teaches in Hawaii)
> I kite on smaller bodies, a water in Ontario...
>
> just my two cents worth
>
> PS
> paul .. if you're interested in his video you can order it online.. @
> http://www.kiteboardcenter.com/
>
> cheers
>
> Steve ..
>
> >From: "kitekyle" <nesbittkyle@h...>
> >Reply-To: cankitesurf@yahoogroups.com
> >To: cankitesurf@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [cankitesurf] Re: Lines lenghts... Interesting info... Could help
> >in tight lauch spots too
> >Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 20:15:23 -0000
> >
> >
> >Last year I had 15mtr lines on my 16,definately had a little more top
> >end,but not too much.It was strange having a big kite that close to
> >you,it looked weird.The kite was very fast,especially when you
> >consider I was using a 38cm bar on a 16.
> >
> >
> >-- In cankitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Berube" <Paul@P...> wrote:
> > >
> > > LINE LENGTH TIPS Change the size of your kite with the length of
> >your kite lines. Shorter
> > > lines effectively reduce the size of your kite and increase the
> >kite's responsiveness. As a
> > > general rule, 3 meters of kite line = 1 meter of kite.
> > >
> > > For example: 10 meter kite + 25 meter lines = 9 meter kite
> > > 10 meter kite + 28 meter lines = 10 meter kite
> > > 10 meter kite + 31 meter lines = 11 meter kite
> > >
> > > 5-10 meter lines allow you to fl your full-size kite as a trainer.
> >15-25 meter lines are
> > > recomended for wave riding. 30+ meter lines are recommended only
> >for advanced kiters.
> > > Tie a double overhand knot on each end of the line. This
> >information and more valuable
> > > tips are found in Secrets of Kiteboarding.
> > >
> > > I got this from a Distributors catalogue and thought it could be
> >usefull to share.
> > >
> > > Could also be helpful for tigher launch areas and making your same
> >kite feel different for
> > > fun... or try an F16 Kite Loop...
> > >
> > > Seems to make sense but I guess we'd have to try it...
> > >
> > > Paul Berube
> > > PBKiteboarding.com
> >
> >
> >
>
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