Hey Tom, Welcome to the list.
   A few years ago folks used to camp at Fort Smallwood park in North
Pasadena. 
I think they still allow camping, but I've heard through the More Downhaul
Grapevine that they no longer allow windsurfing at the park.

It might be worth camping and trying to persuade the park officials to allow
you to launch (like folks used to be able to do in the old days.) If you need
some rallying help I'm sure there are many in the area who might pitch in a
hand to help clean up the beach etc. to get the park open again.

Smallwood was my NW spot in the mid to late 90s I sure miss sailing there.
Love to camp there and sail too!  By the way check out the BABA webpage I
think there are  two windsurf campouts on the schedule this year!!
      Stu




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Marc,

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consider approving all new members before they post.

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It gets a bit cheaper for group of 10 or more:
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> Is anybody familiar with Aruba  HiWind Race?
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Hi Tom,

You made the right decision. 40/40 is a little chilly without the proper
gear. If you were using a steamer or a 5/3, you probably would have been
ok... providing you have good cold weather gloves, booties, and hood. I
usually have a t-shirt or something under the wetsuit for added warmth. I
have gone out in those conditions with a 3/2, but got cold quickly.
Favorable wind conditions/directions, along with a good launch site/sailing
area makes a huge difference also. Onshore winds, shallow water, makes
having less than idea gear less of an issue. A good rule of thumb is to
think about how long you can afford to be in the water before you start to
get "too" cold. If it's under 1/2 hour, I wouldn't risk it. Remember that
wind chill can be an issue also. It may be 40degrees, but if it's blowing
20, it's going to feel much colder. Sail with a friend whenever you can.

On the plus side, it's supposed to be 75 here today.

Hope you get out soon,

Brian


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom" <magical_yak@...>
To: <bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:40 PM
Subject: [bw_windsurfing] Re: When can I windsurf?


> Hi Brian,
>
> I decided not to go, the weather dipped into the 40s and the water
> temp was about 40 or less.  I saw something about the rule of 100,
> basically you add the water and air temp together and if it's over
> 100, you can go (in a wetsuit).  The wetsuit I have is a bit thicker
> than a 4/3, and it's very warm! However, I don't want to push it
> either...I'll post next time I go.  I see outside my work window it's
> snowing here in CT.  I'm not too happy about that but hopefully the
> good weather (and wind) will return shortly.  Till then
>
> -Tom
>
> --- In bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Collis" <collisba@h...>
> wrote:
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > I've been one of those sailors that you see out in January.. Winter
> sailing
> > is usually the best time of year for wind here in the Chesapeake
> area. The
> > guy you saw out a couple of weeks ago was probably wearing a
> steamer or a
> > drysuit. If not, I'm hoping that he was an advanced enough sailor
> to handle
> > anything that came along. If the wind was onshore and there was no
> current
> > or tide, he may have been in the same position that you are.
> >
> > 50's to 60's, with water temps in the 50's wouldn't be bad, as long
> as you
> > don't end up spending lots of time in the water. When the temps are
> that
> > high, I tend to use chemical gloves instead of standard gloves..
> they're
> > really more for keeping the wind off your hands, but are thin
> enough to
> > avoid burning out your arms.
> >
> > If you're on a floaty board, that's even better, because you don't
> have to
> > worry about sinking or waterstarting after a crash.
> >
> > Let us know how it works out,
> >
> > Brian
> >
>
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Hi Brian,

I decided not to go, the weather dipped into the 40s and the water
temp was about 40 or less.  I saw something about the rule of 100,
basically you add the water and air temp together and if it's over
100, you can go (in a wetsuit).  The wetsuit I have is a bit thicker
than a 4/3, and it's very warm! However, I don't want to push it
either...I'll post next time I go.  I see outside my work window it's
snowing here in CT.  I'm not too happy about that but hopefully the
good weather (and wind) will return shortly.  Till then

-Tom

--- In bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Collis" <collisba@h...>
wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> I've been one of those sailors that you see out in January.. Winter
sailing
> is usually the best time of year for wind here in the Chesapeake
area. The
> guy you saw out a couple of weeks ago was probably wearing a
steamer or a
> drysuit. If not, I'm hoping that he was an advanced enough sailor
to handle
> anything that came along. If the wind was onshore and there was no
current
> or tide, he may have been in the same position that you are.
>
> 50's to 60's, with water temps in the 50's wouldn't be bad, as long
as you
> don't end up spending lots of time in the water. When the temps are
that
> high, I tend to use chemical gloves instead of standard gloves..
they're
> really more for keeping the wind off your hands, but are thin
enough to
> avoid burning out your arms.
>
> If you're on a floaty board, that's even better, because you don't
have to
> worry about sinking or waterstarting after a crash.
>
> Let us know how it works out,
>
> Brian
>

Hi Tom,

I've been one of those sailors that you see out in January.. Winter sailing
is usually the best time of year for wind here in the Chesapeake area. The
guy you saw out a couple of weeks ago was probably wearing a steamer or a
drysuit. If not, I'm hoping that he was an advanced enough sailor to handle
anything that came along. If the wind was onshore and there was no current
or tide, he may have been in the same position that you are.

50's to 60's, with water temps in the 50's wouldn't be bad, as long as you
don't end up spending lots of time in the water. When the temps are that
high, I tend to use chemical gloves instead of standard gloves.. they're
really more for keeping the wind off your hands, but are thin enough to
avoid burning out your arms.

If you're on a floaty board, that's even better, because you don't have to
worry about sinking or waterstarting after a crash.

Let us know how it works out,

Brian

> Brian,
>
> I noticed the winds are going to be 15-25k (which is ideal for me).
> I noticed a windsurfer out two weekends ago and have been debating
> this.  I think I will try but stick close to shore and keep the
> session to about two hours or just head in when I feel cold.  Thanks
> for the advice.  I'm assuming the air temp will be mid 50s to 60 and
> the water will be in the 40s to 50s.
>
> -Tom

----- Original Message -----

From: Serkan Sevim

To: bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:57 PM

Subject: RE: [bw_windsurfing] When can I windsurf?

By the way,

This is where I came from..:)
Check it out..

http://www.alacati.com/windsurf.asp

Serkan

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Collis [mailto:collisba@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 1:00 PM
To: bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bw_windsurfing] When can I windsurf?

Hi Serkan,

There are a couple of decent places for wind, if you're up for a 5-6 hour
drive. Hatteras would be my first choice. Canadian Hole, or anywhere on the
Outer Banks is going to have better wind. There are lots of shops that you
can call there for local info and "local forecasting". Your next best bet
might be Jim K's place in Atlantic City. I haven't been there, but Marc, and
a couple of the others on this group have. I've heard that if there's wind
in the NE, it'll be there.. Other than the ocean, there's good sailing on
the sound side, by Jim's shop. His link is
http://www.extremewindsurfing.com/

There's also a chance of wind in the Hampton Roads area. I don't know many
launch sites there, but Glenns' site has a couple of ideas, and some great
maps under the "sail" link: http://www.sailwet.com/

Good luck, and let us know if you find wind!

Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Serkan Sevim" <ssevim@...>
To: <bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: [bw_windsurfing] When can I windsurf?


> Hello everybody,
>
> I checked couple of places in the area and didn't see much wind. Do you
know
> if there is nicer wind somewhere else if I decide to drive for 5-6 hrs?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Serkan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Collis [mailto:collisba@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:39 AM
> To: bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bw_windsurfing] When can I windsurf?
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> 3/4 is still a bit light for the water temps.. even in CT, I suspect. You
> don't want to go out in water colder than you're prepared to spend an hour
> or so in. The hood, booties, and gloves may help, but still.. if you're
> cold, and in trouble, you're going to be unhappy.
>
> Being from CT isn't something that any windsurfer will hold against you..
> you probably get better wind there than we do in the Chesapeake region.
>
> If you do plan to go out, go when the wind is in a favorable direction..
> just in case. Anything offshore might be a hindrance if you get in trouble
> with a light wetsuit.
>
> Brian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom" <magical_yak@...>
> To: <bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:48 AM
> Subject: [bw_windsurfing] When can I windsurf?
>
>
> > As the weather warms up, what is the general rule of thumb for
> > windsurfing?  I was thinking of going this weekend, would a 3/4 full
> > suit with booties, hood and gloves be alright (assuming I spend the
> > majority of the time out of the water).  Does anyway have some
> > insight between water/air temps and survival rates or if I'm an idiot
> > for trying to do this?  I'm an intermediate windsurfer (and actually
> > live in CT, but I hope you won't hold that against me).
> >
> > -Tom
> >
> >
> >
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By the way,

This is where I came from..:)
Check it out..

http://www.alacati.com/windsurf.asp

Serkan

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Collis [mailto:collisba@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 1:00 PM
To: bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bw_windsurfing] When can I windsurf?

Hi Serkan,

There are a couple of decent places for wind, if you're up for a 5-6 hour
drive. Hatteras would be my first choice. Canadian Hole, or anywhere on the
Outer Banks is going to have better wind. There are lots of shops that you
can call there for local info and "local forecasting". Your next best bet
might be Jim K's place in Atlantic City. I haven't been there, but Marc, and
a couple of the others on this group have. I've heard that if there's wind
in the NE, it'll be there.. Other than the ocean, there's good sailing on
the sound side, by Jim's shop. His link is
http://www.extremewindsurfing.com/

There's also a chance of wind in the Hampton Roads area. I don't know many
launch sites there, but Glenns' site has a couple of ideas, and some great
maps under the "sail" link: http://www.sailwet.com/

Good luck, and let us know if you find wind!

Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Serkan Sevim" <ssevim@...>
To: <bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: [bw_windsurfing] When can I windsurf?


> Hello everybody,
>
> I checked couple of places in the area and didn't see much wind. Do you
know
> if there is nicer wind somewhere else if I decide to drive for 5-6 hrs?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Serkan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Collis [mailto:collisba@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:39 AM
> To: bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bw_windsurfing] When can I windsurf?
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> 3/4 is still a bit light for the water temps.. even in CT, I suspect. You
> don't want to go out in water colder than you're prepared to spend an hour
> or so in. The hood, booties, and gloves may help, but still.. if you're
> cold, and in trouble, you're going to be unhappy.
>
> Being from CT isn't something that any windsurfer will hold against you..
> you probably get better wind there than we do in the Chesapeake region.
>
> If you do plan to go out, go when the wind is in a favorable direction..
> just in case. Anything offshore might be a hindrance if you get in trouble
> with a light wetsuit.
>
> Brian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom" <magical_yak@...>
> To: <bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:48 AM
> Subject: [bw_windsurfing] When can I windsurf?
>
>
> > As the weather warms up, what is the general rule of thumb for
> > windsurfing?  I was thinking of going this weekend, would a 3/4 full
> > suit with booties, hood and gloves be alright (assuming I spend the
> > majority of the time out of the water).  Does anyway have some
> > insight between water/air temps and survival rates or if I'm an idiot
> > for trying to do this?  I'm an intermediate windsurfer (and actually
> > live in CT, but I hope you won't hold that against me).
> >
> > -Tom
> >
> >
> >
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Thank you for the perfect info.:)

Serkan

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Collis [mailto:collisba@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 1:00 PM
To: bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bw_windsurfing] When can I windsurf?

Hi Serkan,

There are a couple of decent places for wind, if you're up for a 5-6 hour
drive. Hatteras would be my first choice. Canadian Hole, or anywhere on the
Outer Banks is going to have better wind. There are lots of shops that you
can call there for local info and "local forecasting". Your next best bet
might be Jim K's place in Atlantic City. I haven't been there, but Marc, and
a couple of the others on this group have. I've heard that if there's wind
in the NE, it'll be there.. Other than the ocean, there's good sailing on
the sound side, by Jim's shop. His link is
http://www.extremewindsurfing.com/

There's also a chance of wind in the Hampton Roads area. I don't know many
launch sites there, but Glenns' site has a couple of ideas, and some great
maps under the "sail" link: http://www.sailwet.com/

Good luck, and let us know if you find wind!

Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Serkan Sevim" <ssevim@...>
To: <bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: [bw_windsurfing] When can I windsurf?


> Hello everybody,
>
> I checked couple of places in the area and didn't see much wind. Do you
know
> if there is nicer wind somewhere else if I decide to drive for 5-6 hrs?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Serkan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Collis [mailto:collisba@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:39 AM
> To: bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bw_windsurfing] When can I windsurf?
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> 3/4 is still a bit light for the water temps.. even in CT, I suspect. You
> don't want to go out in water colder than you're prepared to spend an hour
> or so in. The hood, booties, and gloves may help, but still.. if you're
> cold, and in trouble, you're going to be unhappy.
>
> Being from CT isn't something that any windsurfer will hold against you..
> you probably get better wind there than we do in the Chesapeake region.
>
> If you do plan to go out, go when the wind is in a favorable direction..
> just in case. Anything offshore might be a hindrance if you get in trouble
> with a light wetsuit.
>
> Brian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom" <magical_yak@...>
> To: <bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:48 AM
> Subject: [bw_windsurfing] When can I windsurf?
>
>
> > As the weather warms up, what is the general rule of thumb for
> > windsurfing?  I was thinking of going this weekend, would a 3/4 full
> > suit with booties, hood and gloves be alright (assuming I spend the
> > majority of the time out of the water).  Does anyway have some
> > insight between water/air temps and survival rates or if I'm an idiot
> > for trying to do this?  I'm an intermediate windsurfer (and actually
> > live in CT, but I hope you won't hold that against me).
> >
> > -Tom
> >
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Brian,

I noticed the winds are going to be 15-25k (which is ideal for me).
I noticed a windsurfer out two weekends ago and have been debating
this.  I think I will try but stick close to shore and keep the
session to about two hours or just head in when I feel cold.  Thanks
for the advice.  I'm assuming the air temp will be mid 50s to 60 and
the water will be in the 40s to 50s.

-Tom

--- In bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Collis" <collisba@h...>
wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> 3/4 is still a bit light for the water temps.. even in CT, I
suspect. You
> don't want to go out in water colder than you're prepared to spend
an hour
> or so in. The hood, booties, and gloves may help, but still.. if
you're
> cold, and in trouble, you're going to be unhappy.
>
> Being from CT isn't something that any windsurfer will hold against
you..
> you probably get better wind there than we do in the Chesapeake
region.
>
> If you do plan to go out, go when the wind is in a favorable
direction..
> just in case. Anything offshore might be a hindrance if you get in
trouble
> with a light wetsuit.
>
> Brian

Hi Serkan,

There are a couple of decent places for wind, if you're up for a 5-6 hour
drive. Hatteras would be my first choice. Canadian Hole, or anywhere on the
Outer Banks is going to have better wind. There are lots of shops that you
can call there for local info and "local forecasting". Your next best bet
might be Jim K's place in Atlantic City. I haven't been there, but Marc, and
a couple of the others on this group have. I've heard that if there's wind
in the NE, it'll be there.. Other than the ocean, there's good sailing on
the sound side, by Jim's shop. His link is
http://www.extremewindsurfing.com/

There's also a chance of wind in the Hampton Roads area. I don't know many
launch sites there, but Glenns' site has a couple of ideas, and some great
maps under the "sail" link: http://www.sailwet.com/

Good luck, and let us know if you find wind!

Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Serkan Sevim" <ssevim@...>
To: <bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: [bw_windsurfing] When can I windsurf?


> Hello everybody,
>
> I checked couple of places in the area and didn't see much wind. Do you
know
> if there is nicer wind somewhere else if I decide to drive for 5-6 hrs?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Serkan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Collis [mailto:collisba@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:39 AM
> To: bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bw_windsurfing] When can I windsurf?
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> 3/4 is still a bit light for the water temps.. even in CT, I suspect. You
> don't want to go out in water colder than you're prepared to spend an hour
> or so in. The hood, booties, and gloves may help, but still.. if you're
> cold, and in trouble, you're going to be unhappy.
>
> Being from CT isn't something that any windsurfer will hold against you..
> you probably get better wind there than we do in the Chesapeake region.
>
> If you do plan to go out, go when the wind is in a favorable direction..
> just in case. Anything offshore might be a hindrance if you get in trouble
> with a light wetsuit.
>
> Brian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom" <magical_yak@...>
> To: <bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:48 AM
> Subject: [bw_windsurfing] When can I windsurf?
>
>
> > As the weather warms up, what is the general rule of thumb for
> > windsurfing?  I was thinking of going this weekend, would a 3/4 full
> > suit with booties, hood and gloves be alright (assuming I spend the
> > majority of the time out of the water).  Does anyway have some
> > insight between water/air temps and survival rates or if I'm an idiot
> > for trying to do this?  I'm an intermediate windsurfer (and actually
> > live in CT, but I hope you won't hold that against me).
> >
> > -Tom
> >
> >
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Hello everybody,

I checked couple of places in the area and didn't see much wind. Do you know
if there is nicer wind somewhere else if I decide to drive for 5-6 hrs?

Thanks,

Serkan

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Collis [mailto:collisba@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:39 AM
To: bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bw_windsurfing] When can I windsurf?

Hi Tom,

3/4 is still a bit light for the water temps.. even in CT, I suspect. You
don't want to go out in water colder than you're prepared to spend an hour
or so in. The hood, booties, and gloves may help, but still.. if you're
cold, and in trouble, you're going to be unhappy.

Being from CT isn't something that any windsurfer will hold against you..
you probably get better wind there than we do in the Chesapeake region.

If you do plan to go out, go when the wind is in a favorable direction..
just in case. Anything offshore might be a hindrance if you get in trouble
with a light wetsuit.

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom" <magical_yak@...>
To: <bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:48 AM
Subject: [bw_windsurfing] When can I windsurf?


> As the weather warms up, what is the general rule of thumb for
> windsurfing?  I was thinking of going this weekend, would a 3/4 full
> suit with booties, hood and gloves be alright (assuming I spend the
> majority of the time out of the water).  Does anyway have some
> insight between water/air temps and survival rates or if I'm an idiot
> for trying to do this?  I'm an intermediate windsurfer (and actually
> live in CT, but I hope you won't hold that against me).
>
> -Tom
>
>
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Hi Tom,

3/4 is still a bit light for the water temps.. even in CT, I suspect. You
don't want to go out in water colder than you're prepared to spend an hour
or so in. The hood, booties, and gloves may help, but still.. if you're
cold, and in trouble, you're going to be unhappy.

Being from CT isn't something that any windsurfer will hold against you..
you probably get better wind there than we do in the Chesapeake region.

If you do plan to go out, go when the wind is in a favorable direction..
just in case. Anything offshore might be a hindrance if you get in trouble
with a light wetsuit.

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom" <magical_yak@...>
To: <bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:48 AM
Subject: [bw_windsurfing] When can I windsurf?


> As the weather warms up, what is the general rule of thumb for
> windsurfing?  I was thinking of going this weekend, would a 3/4 full
> suit with booties, hood and gloves be alright (assuming I spend the
> majority of the time out of the water).  Does anyway have some
> insight between water/air temps and survival rates or if I'm an idiot
> for trying to do this?  I'm an intermediate windsurfer (and actually
> live in CT, but I hope you won't hold that against me).
>
> -Tom
>
>
>
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As the weather warms up, what is the general rule of thumb for
windsurfing?  I was thinking of going this weekend, would a 3/4 full
suit with booties, hood and gloves be alright (assuming I spend the
majority of the time out of the water).  Does anyway have some
insight between water/air temps and survival rates or if I'm an idiot
for trying to do this?  I'm an intermediate windsurfer (and actually
live in CT, but I hope you won't hold that against me).

-Tom

----- Original Message -----

From: Daniel M. Benitez Caamaño

To: bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 5:40 PM

Subject: [bw_windsurfing] Re: Pls comment on equipment set for a beginner

Mike, I'm laso a beginner and I'm moving to DC area in two months. I
am originally from Argentina and I'm looking for a "good" place to
windsurf close to DC. Any recomendation? Where did you rent the
equipment?

Thank you

Daniel



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Mike, I'm laso a beginner and I'm moving to DC area in two months. I
am originally from Argentina and I'm looking for a "good" place to
windsurf close to DC. Any recomendation? Where did you rent the
equipment?

Thank you

Daniel

People you ought to give this site a try www.boardexchange.co.uk it
is a real gem!!!

--- In bw_windsurfing@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <gymguy_us@y...> wrote:
> Thanks for all your replies, guys.

Best solution is a trailer if you have a place to park it.  Esp.
townhouse driveway.  I have a dedicated old Suburban which holds all
sailing gear permanently -- condo does not allow trailers.  I also
have space inside in a spare bedroom for gear if desired, though
having it in a 4x4 ready to go makes it convenient to take off at the
last minute if the weather allows.

:
> Does anybody know any places in the DC area where I can fix my sail.
> Thank you,
> Slavik

East of Maui in Annapolis can direct you.  You can also do a quick
search to find their website, locations in Annapolis, MD and Dewey
Beach, Delaware.

Have had sails repaired by Olaf and Margaret at the Sail Repair in
Avon, NC on Hatteras Island, who will be there in the Spring.  They
do the repair overnight, reliably.

Bill

My experience proves using a some kind of "soft rack" to protect a 4-door
rental car can work.   My soft rack is two pieces of 3-inch thick rubber
which are strapped to the board.   The board is then secured to the car with
ropes that go through the doors and over the board several times and are
eventually tied to the door posts.  (This system does not work with a two
door car.)  Then the nose and stern of the board are secured with additional
ropes to the front and rear of the car.  Each time the soft rack is put on
the car it must be brushed off. Carefully check for and remove any sand or
grit before putting the soft rack on the car.  The mast and boom are tied to
the board.   Soft foam is wrapped around the mast at the contact points and
secured with line of some kind. Whether foam is needed to protect the board
from the boom depends on the boom.

I used that system on a trip that covered about 500 miles of driving with
the board loaded. In the 7 loadings and unloadings the rental car did not
suffer any visible damage.

About 4 years ago, I bought a complete used set-up from a rental place on
the southern Oregon coast for $300, windsurfed 4 times along the coast and
then went inland to Hood River for 3 more sessions.  I spent less than $50
more to ship home the boom, sail and fin.  The one-piece aluminum mast was
left at a consignment shop which eventually sent me a little over $30.  The
board was donated to a group in Hood River that teaches kids.  The stuff I
bought was inexpensive because it was "very used".  But it worked.

My only experience in the Keys was about 8 years ago in March.  I think the
only place I saw where windsurfers could be rented was around Key Largo or
Islamorada.  If I was going to the Keys again I'd seriously check out what I
could buy cheaply in Miami.  Or what I could rent cheaply in Miami.

Good luck

Del Carpenter







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I completely concur... you will not get enough use in the Keys to
justify it, and you will be hating life because of all the additional
crap you have to deal with as a result.

Imagine, you and your family receive your luggage and gear on the
other end.  As prudence would dictate, before you even leave the
baggage claim, you check the board for dings, battens for breakage,
etc.  If you are lucky enough to find none - a major miracle and
probable world first -then you avoid having to deal with
unsympathetic baggage services, who could care less about the
integrity of your gear.

You then schlep your stuff out of baggage claim and get your car.
Don't tell them about the boards, or they will tag you for a full
cavity search when you return the car.  You see, they know about this
sort of stuff.  Then what?  Onto the shuttle with all the gear, to
get the car (unless Miami has changed something recently...).  Good
luck... Or leave it and your family at the terminal with the gear
while you go get the car and come back... hmmm. not so attractive,
that, eh.

Now you've got the car and are reunited with your family.  So you try
to figure out how to get the "soft rack" you bought strapped on the
car, which is not the type/class/model that the rental company told
you was available (BTW, soft racks ALWAYS fubar the paint or bodywork
somehow, no matter how careful you are...) By now, you've blown a
goodly portion of your travel day away with stressful crap, and you
still need to drive a long way down the Keys, and get to the beach...
and then maybe there is no wind. Or only one or two days of it.  And
then you get to do it all in reverse on the way back...

Nope, do yourself, your family, and your vacation in general a HUGE
favor and plan on renting.  Unless you are going somewhere that you
KNOW it will blow more than 60% of the time, or unless you are going
for a vacation measureed in months, just take your harnesses and
wetsuits, and relax.

By the way, getting used to rental gear will actually improve your
sailing (especially if it is state of the art gear), since it causes
you to concentrate on what you're doing differently, rather than
running on autopilot like you might with your own stuff.

If you are still considering it, it sounds to me like you would need
a board bag (at least 1/2" foam, and more stuffed in around the board
so it can't slide in the bag... towels work well for that), a soft
rack (glorified straps with clips into the door frame pads that sit
on the roof in direct contact with the paint... not good, but then it
is a dental, right), mast/sail/boom bag (unless you can fit them in
your board bag or don't mind gambling).  By the time you get all
that, you will probably have 9 days worth of rentals all covered,
cost wise.

Best of luck either way... let us know how it works out.  Especially
on the conditions you find.  Haven't been to the Keys since I was a
kid, but I'm thinking of going back sometime...  Driving all the way
with my gear on the roof probably.  Because I am also a bit of a
masochist...

See you,

Greg