i allow advertisements as long as they are on topic. and the person posting them
disscuss them and answers questions about them.. no bad lanague no nudity we
acept any martial arts links to groups ect

--- In brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com, "davidlopezus" <davidlopezus@...>
wrote:
>
>
> someone takes a swing with a hook punch.
>
> How do you deflect it?
>
i dont i block it and counter punch. i like the inside forarm block.

someone takes a swing with a hook punch.

How do you deflect it?

Yes. At the end of the day, the personality of the teacher defines how and who
they teach.

The point I was trying to make was a counterpoint to Loraine's argument about
school and teacher. My response is that a teacher is a student of the school. If
the school produces a useless teacher the school is useless.

A teacher if they care about what they teach should make every effort to make
sure their students become the system. A student who does not reflect the system
should not be made an instructor.

I have seen senior students who test and get criticized for their fighting, not
because it is not effective, but because it is not eagle claw.

As for different systems, I think all people regardless of system are
susceptible to the old 'my system is better than yours'. It seems to me that
some people go for MMA because of it's physicality. Our workouts are tough. I
have seen the muy tai workouts and they train very hard, as do boxers.

Sifu does not like punching and kicking. His point is anyone can do that and
that is not the eagle claw way. I am not saying it is not effective. It is. It
is just not our way. To fight, you don't need a lot of techniques. You need a
handful that you do well and understand how and what to do with them.

Our system is very broad and deep.

For example, there is a test coming up and I was helping someone prepare. One of
the requirements for his test is 20 simple locks. I have not done them in some
time so I was interpreting the sheet. One was a simple deflection of a punch so
you can eat the stance and go high with an arm to hit the head or clothesline.
The student did not keep the deflection so I touched his ribs. It is a simple
technique to get in close and do something, but there are dangers as with
anything. His comment was he was not aware of this. I was also showing
variations of some of the other techniques.

The test is just a simple test of can you do the simple mechanics of what you
are taught. It does not mean that you understand what you are taught. That takes
time and effort to go beyond the simple paint by numbers.

I think that is the core of much of the criticism of traditional ma ( read
chinese ) systems. I am not aware of how other regions teach what they have to
offer. I took tae kwon do in college for a semester or so. I got bored and did
not continue. My impression is that when a kick is taught it is broken down. For
us it is shown and you copy. You are not taught raise your knee to this height,
change the angle , do this, do that. It is simple move your leg like so. You are
left to find your own way.

It is not the american way. Many students expect that everything is broken down
and explained. In my experience sifu explains little. I remember once I asked
why you attack an arm in a particular way when you deflect an attack. The
response was try it and then tell me.

--- In brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Deborah R. Williams"
<taesujutsu@...> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> You said: "If you have a problem with the teacher, I think you have a problem
with the system."
>
> I disagree, you can have a problem with the instructor, and not the system.
> I know a man who came form a good system, however, he himself was arrogant
beyond belief.  It did not come form his teacher, becasue we had teh same
teacher...this is just the way he is.  Hist students left him and went to his
teacher.  It was not the system they had a problem with, but his attitude.
>
> The system I teach was developed to teach a student to defend themselves
befreo 3 months time.  It depends on what you teach, how you teach, and what you
are teaching for.  Whether it is strictly mat work or reality...as close and as
hard as possible.
>
> That is why I stay away form the other schools around here as much as
possilbe(although I know the teachers, and respect them), because I do not
believe you can compare how another teaches.  What they teach is left up to
them.  All should be respected.  However, they to get into the "et's compate
this school with another.  That is my biggest beef with traditional martial
arts..the constant comparisons(in thei area), The MMA's and non-tradtional
martail arts(which mine is non-traditional, although not MMA) do not get into
that where I live.  We keep to ourselves, and it works out great  that way.
>
> Different rules apply though to different regions an areeas.
>
> Peace,
> Tae
>

Hi David,

You said: "If you have a problem with the teacher, I think you have a problem
with the system."

I disagree, you can have a problem with the instructor, and not the system.
I know a man who came form a good system, however, he himself was arrogant
beyond belief.  It did not come form his teacher, becasue we had teh same
teacher...this is just the way he is.  Hist students left him and went to his
teacher.  It was not the system they had a problem with, but his attitude.

The system I teach was developed to teach a student to defend themselves befreo
3 months time.  It depends on what you teach, how you teach, and what you are
teaching for.  Whether it is strictly mat work or reality...as close and as hard
as possible.

That is why I stay away form the other schools around here as much as
possilbe(although I know the teachers, and respect them), because I do not
believe you can compare how another teaches.  What they teach is left up to
them.  All should be respected.  However, they to get into the "et's compate
this school with another.  That is my biggest beef with traditional martial
arts..the constant comparisons(in thei area), The MMA's and non-tradtional
martail arts(which mine is non-traditional, although not MMA) do not get into
that where I live.  We keep to ourselves, and it works out great  that way.

Different rules apply though to different regions an areeas.

Peace,
Tae

Karate ni sente nashi?
Is there a time when a "preemptive strike" is in order in martial arts? If so,
why and when?

We had some folks from a near-by jiu-jitsu studio come visit our school one
evening. (This school advertises that it helps people reach pro level in MMA.)
They were very polite, but when they tried to ask our teacher "What would you do
if I did this..." and did things like try to grab him by the leg or arm, he
simply sent them flying across the room!
My teacher does not believe in "public demonstrations." We don't enter
tournaments. Tai Chi and Ga Gua are pretty traditional forms of martial arts.
Yet he dusted high level students of a "non-traditional" MA.
Winning in a tournament is different from real street fighting. Fighting in a
ring is also different from what happens on the street.
Just because you can win a trophy or a belt doesn't mean you can teach. Of
course, this is not to say that there aren't "bad" teachers out there. Of course
there are. I;m just saying that you shouldn't toss a traditional school out of
consideration just because its a traditional school.

--- In brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com, "lorraine butcher" <roselover0123@...>
wrote:
>
> When I say traditionalists I mean people from 'Martial Arts' rather than
'Martial Sports'.
>
> Now, the thing about competitive full contact sparring is that it weeds out
poor quality instructors. This is why I like Judo, BJJ, wrestling, boxing,
kickboxing. Because to get to the instructor level you have to actually beat
people up.
>
> The problem with traditionalists is that you don't 'need' to fight anyone to
get to the black belt. Grading would involve kata and that's pretty much it. Or
semi contact sparring. The problem is that traditional MA are crawling with
losers and poor instructors.
>
> Now, wouldn't a person who's new to MAs be taking a risk signing up for
traditional MA. Because there's no way of testing the quality of instruction; if
someone's a state wrestling champion, you know they kick butt in wrestling. If
someone's black belt Judo you know they kick butt in Judo. If someone's Godan
Aikido well, they passed some exam and they trained for 5 or so years, but they
never competed. And like with any exam, you forget everything you learned after
two weeks.
>
> So I guess what I'm saying traditional MAs are not bolony, but 7/10 dojos are
providing inconsistent quality of instruction or don't adjust to current
realities. Come on, how can anyone don't train in wrestling and grappling after
what we've seen in UFC and Pride. How can anyone possibly say that the skill of
'not tipping over' in a clinch is not vital. Because the next think you know,
you're pinned against a car in a parking lot trying desperately to maintain
distance for proper karate punching.
>
> What I'm saying is I don't disrespect traditional MAs, but I do have a problem
with traditional instructors.
>

I see no difference between traditional martial arts vs traditional instructors.

If you have a problem with the teacher, I think you have a problem with the
system.

That said, there are many black belt level instructors who are not good. As has
been said many times different schools teach different things.

I live in NYC. Many students go to get in shape not fight. I notice easily half
of the students in the boxing program of the place I work out of are women. A
few of them are schooled very well. I am not sure if they can fight but they
look like they can.

I also see a few MMA schools. What I see is mat work. I am not sure if they
teach stand up and then go to the ground or they just start with one person on
the bottom and go from there.

To me this is just judo mat work. When I took judo as a kid we started standing
and tried to throw the opponent.

I don't see these guys do that much. I am not saying what they teach has no
value because I like some of the things they do. But if your sole criteria is
usefulness in a fight, although much of what anyone teaches is useful if you do
3 months doing this or my system for that matter, it won't win you a fight.

--- In brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com, "lorraine butcher" <roselover0123@...>
wrote:
>
> When I say traditionalists I mean people from 'Martial Arts' rather than
'Martial Sports'.
>
> Now, the thing about competitive full contact sparring is that it weeds out
poor quality instructors. This is why I like Judo, BJJ, wrestling, boxing,
kickboxing. Because to get to the instructor level you have to actually beat
people up.
>
> The problem with traditionalists is that you don't 'need' to fight anyone to
get to the black belt. Grading would involve kata and that's pretty much it. Or
semi contact sparring. The problem is that traditional MA are crawling with
losers and poor instructors.
>
> Now, wouldn't a person who's new to MAs be taking a risk signing up for
traditional MA. Because there's no way of testing the quality of instruction; if
someone's a state wrestling champion, you know they kick butt in wrestling. If
someone's black belt Judo you know they kick butt in Judo. If someone's Godan
Aikido well, they passed some exam and they trained for 5 or so years, but they
never competed. And like with any exam, you forget everything you learned after
two weeks.
>
> So I guess what I'm saying traditional MAs are not bolony, but 7/10 dojos are
providing inconsistent quality of instruction or don't adjust to current
realities. Come on, how can anyone don't train in wrestling and grappling after
what we've seen in UFC and Pride. How can anyone possibly say that the skill of
'not tipping over' in a clinch is not vital. Because the next think you know,
you're pinned against a car in a parking lot trying desperately to maintain
distance for proper karate punching.
>
> What I'm saying is I don't disrespect traditional MAs, but I do have a problem
with traditional instructors.
>

When I say traditionalists I mean people from 'Martial Arts' rather than
'Martial Sports'.

Now, the thing about competitive full contact sparring is that it weeds out poor
quality instructors. This is why I like Judo, BJJ, wrestling, boxing,
kickboxing. Because to get to the instructor level you have to actually beat
people up.

The problem with traditionalists is that you don't 'need' to fight anyone to get
to the black belt. Grading would involve kata and that's pretty much it. Or semi
contact sparring. The problem is that traditional MA are crawling with losers
and poor instructors.

Now, wouldn't a person who's new to MAs be taking a risk signing up for
traditional MA. Because there's no way of testing the quality of instruction; if
someone's a state wrestling champion, you know they kick butt in wrestling. If
someone's black belt Judo you know they kick butt in Judo. If someone's Godan
Aikido well, they passed some exam and they trained for 5 or so years, but they
never competed. And like with any exam, you forget everything you learned after
two weeks.

So I guess what I'm saying traditional MAs are not bolony, but 7/10 dojos are
providing inconsistent quality of instruction or don't adjust to current
realities. Come on, how can anyone don't train in wrestling and grappling after
what we've seen in UFC and Pride. How can anyone possibly say that the skill of
'not tipping over' in a clinch is not vital. Because the next think you know,
you're pinned against a car in a parking lot trying desperately to maintain
distance for proper karate punching.

What I'm saying is I don't disrespect traditional MAs, but I do have a problem
with traditional instructors.

I'm sorry I meant the person who was suggesting spelling was a sign of
compassion. I was not insulting anyone who may have a learning disability.

Rick
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----- Original Message ----
From: lorraine butcher <roselover0123@...>
To: brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 8:42:07 AM
Subject: [brownbelt1111111] hey rick

or it could be just the lack of computer skill. i myself have this problem. hand
writtern posts are a lot different then how my post on here look.



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--- In brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com, machomongo1@... wrote:
>
> True but folks don't forget he mentioned he found some anger management
> programs that even the courts set people up for and that he can afford but to
> his instructor it was not good enough. His instructor had mentioned anger
> management programs out of his price range. So my question to the group and
> Nathan is why were court approved anger management programs which Nathan could
> afford not acceptable to the instructor?
>
> John
> Train hard yet smart
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>   good question!

or it could be just the lack of computer skill. i myself have this problem. hand
writtern posts are a lot different then how my post on here look.

good post

Probably just the person's first experience with Yahoo groups or forums (or
people lol just kidding)

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----- Original Message ----
From: Dr. Deborah R. Williams <taesujutsu@...>
To: brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:07:31 AM
Subject: [brownbelt1111111] Re:
expelled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Leo,

You said: "Also. your post shows terrible spelling and grammar.  This shows me
that you did not care enough about this group to put the few minutes in to
properly prepare and check your message".

Hold it RIGHT there.  Please allow me to inform you that there are alot of
people in this group, who do not always spell correctly in their post.

For some who are dyslexic, you could look all day long at
spellcheck  if it looked right the first time it is going to look right again,
and still be wrong.

Say what you like about mending fences, but just because someone
does not spell to please you, does not mean they do not CARE.  We have never
allowed anyone to degrade a person because of their spelling, and weill not
allow it now.  So, in short, leave the comments about anothers spelling out.

Peace,
Tae









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This is good advice.

If Nathan truly wants to continue at the school he should reach out to them. Try
to mend fences and come to an understanding. Showing that he accepts whatever
blame is due him is important. As you say, not giving up will either have the
school to tell him to just go away or it may cause them to have a change of
heart and accept him back.

This is of course a classic chinese tale in the movies.

--- In brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com, Leo Loughman <leol5477@...> wrote:
>
> Nathan,  First let me say that I am sorry that you had this experience. 
Second, I believe there may be more to the story.  I note that you express anger
at your mother and instructor, but take no blame, yourself.  Also. your post
shows terrible spelling and grammar.  This shows me that you did not care enough
about this group to put the few minutes in to properly prepare and check your
message. Perhaps, this same attitude is being seen by your instructor(s).  This
doesn't make you a bad guy,  but you might want to look in the mirror and try to
mend some fences.  If you do wish to resume training, try writing a letter to
the instructor.  If you can see the errors that you made, explain this.  You
could even offer to apologize to the class.  You may not get a response, at
first, but keep trying, if your goal is to rejoin this school.  "Indomitable
Spirit" means persistence.  You can be forceful and forthright, without being
disrespectful. 
>  Good luck, Leo
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: nathan <lowridenranger@...>
> To: brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:32:14 AM
> Subject: [brownbelt1111111]
expelled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> i was expelled for my tae kwon do school. im 29, this happened when i was 28.
my parents and i disagry alot, my mom said to my intrustor that i needed anger
management but the person i went to see sad i was angery but i did not need
anger management. i was expelled and have not been back scence. do yall think
this was right or what i really don't know what to make of it. on one hand i am
upset at mom and on other hand i an upset at my intructor because i am an adult
and this was done to me. some input would be nice thank you all.
>

Hi Leo,

You said: "Also. your post shows terrible spelling and grammar.  This shows me
that you did not care enough about this group to put the few minutes in to
properly prepare and check your message".

Hold it RIGHT there.  Please allow me to inform you that there are alot of
people in this group, who do not always spell correctly in their post.

For some who are dyslexic, you could look all day long at
spellcheck  if it looked right the first time it is going to look right again,
and still be wrong.

Say what you like about mending fences, but just because someone
  does not spell to please you, does not mean they do not CARE.  We have never
allowed anyone to degrade a person because of their spelling, and weill not
allow it now.  So, in short, leave the comments about anothers spelling out.

Peace,
Tae

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i would never disrespect mater smith or mrs smith. with that said. it was a
friday afternoon my mom desided my 8 year old sister had to go back to TKD. the
little one ok with this at first than she found out my dad was coming home as we
where going to class( he was at least 1:30 way) well she started to throw a fit
in the truckabout going back. when we got there she refused toi go in the
dojang. so i went to ask for help i turned around i was only 10 feet away sister
desided ro run. i said,"son fo a bitch" a bit to loud the class heard me. i had
to chase after her. my dad showed up to watch us and the intrusructor told him
what happen.my parents and the master instructors talked on the phone for a good
bite. i do not know what was said. my mom told me that the master instructors
wanted to talk to me on monday. i thought ok cool i know am going to be
repremaned for my laguage. i understood that. come monday i when to class as
normal. the instructors wanted to talk to me ok i thiught. well we talked and i
was told that i had to write a paper on the TKD prinspals and oth i thought ok,
but that was not all, i was to go to mandatory anger management. or i was
expelled.  my sister got expelled indeffinantly. i did the paper as i was asked.
i looked and looked for an angermanagement program that i could afford i foud
one but it was not good enuogh for the instructors ( it was good enough for the
cuorts here) they wanted me to go to one that costed more ( one with alot ok
acranims after there name) needles to say i could not afford it so i was
expelled. i was never disrespectful to my intructors ever. i have not been back
to the dogan scence.

Hi- In my dojo its white, yellow, orange, green, blue, 3 browns and 10
blacks. I guess I should really know all of the Japanese  for them but I
don't as of yet.:) Debbie.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Laura" <shockaboo@...>
To: <brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [brownbelt1111111] Re: thank you



How do the ranks go in jiu-jitsu, anyway? I'm kind of ignorant about it,
myself. Thanks


Laura Nelson

You may read my blog at:

www.shockaboo.blogspot.com


--- On Tue, 4/21/09, Debbie Gagliardotto-Barbieri <finch98@...>
wrote:

> From: Debbie Gagliardotto-Barbieri <finch98@...>
> Subject: Re: [brownbelt1111111] Re: thank you
> To: brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 6:16 PM
>
> Thank you everyone for the encouragement. I am pretty
> excited....had a real
> good class tonight. I was officially asked to test
> for my blue belt in the
> beginning of May. I am very happy because I worked really
> hard for this.
> Thanks again. Debbie
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> mailto:brownbelt1111111-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>





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----- Original Message ----
From: Laura <shockaboo@...>
To: brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [brownbelt1111111]
expelled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Maybe some yoga before you try going back to martial arts again? If you're not
angry, maybe you are stressed or possibly depressed. Have you spoken to your
Doctor?

Laura Nelson

You may read my blog at:

www.shockaboo.blogspot.com


--- On Wed, 4/22/09, nathan <lowridenranger@...> wrote:

> From: nathan <lowridenranger@...>
> Subject: [brownbelt1111111]
expelled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> To: brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 4:32 AM
> i was expelled for my tae kwon do
> school. im 29, this happened when i was 28. my parents and i
> disagry alot, my mom said to my intrustor that i needed
> anger management but the person i went to see sad i was
> angery but i did not need anger management. i was expelled
> and have not been back scence. do yall think this was right
> or what i really don't know what to make of it. on one hand
> i am upset at mom and on other hand i an upset at my
> intructor because i am an adult and this was done to me.
> some input would be nice thank you all.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     mailto:brownbelt1111111-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>





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How do the ranks go in jiu-jitsu, anyway? I'm kind of ignorant about it, myself.
Thanks


Laura Nelson

You may read my blog at:

www.shockaboo.blogspot.com


--- On Tue, 4/21/09, Debbie Gagliardotto-Barbieri <finch98@...> wrote:

> From: Debbie Gagliardotto-Barbieri <finch98@...>
> Subject: Re: [brownbelt1111111] Re: thank you
> To: brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 6:16 PM
>
> Thank you everyone for the encouragement.  I am pretty
> excited....had a real
> good class tonight.  I was officially asked to test
> for my blue belt in the
> beginning of May. I am very happy because I worked really
> hard for this.
> Thanks again.  Debbie
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     mailto:brownbelt1111111-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>

Maybe some yoga before you try going back to martial arts again? If you're not
angry, maybe you are stressed or possibly depressed. Have you spoken to your
Doctor?

Laura Nelson

You may read my blog at:

www.shockaboo.blogspot.com


--- On Wed, 4/22/09, nathan <lowridenranger@...> wrote:

> From: nathan <lowridenranger@...>
> Subject: [brownbelt1111111]
expelled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> To: brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 4:32 AM
> i was expelled for my tae kwon do
> school. im 29, this happened when i was 28. my parents and i
> disagry alot, my mom said to my intrustor that i needed
> anger management but the person i went to see sad i was
> angery but i did not need anger management. i was expelled
> and have not been back scence. do yall think this was right
> or what i really don't know what to make of it. on one hand
> i am upset at mom and on other hand i an upset at my
> intructor because i am an adult and this was done to me.
> some input would be nice thank you all. 
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     mailto:brownbelt1111111-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>

Congrats Debbie,
now take the ball and run with it.  :^)



--- In brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com, machomongo1@... wrote:
>
> Congratulations Deb!! Keep up the good work and good luck.
>
> John
> Train hard yet smart
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Hi Nathan,

Well, first let me just say, I have been mainking my own decisions since I was
18(but then most people who know me will tell you I was never a kid).  LOL .  My
parents felt like if I was old enough to work my way through colloge, and be in
the Air Forse Res. Then I was old enough to make my own mistakes and learn.  To
be honest, at 29, you should have a right ot voice you own thoughts whterh you
live with your mom or not..I live with mine, and trust me we both are good at
voicing our thoughts...when needed.

Second as far as you teacher is concerned, I have to ask what you did to get
expelled. I know of very few teacher who expell somone without a reason.  Did
you show him that angry side(we all have them), or show him disrespect?

Just wondering.

Peace,
Tae


--- In brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com, "nathan" <lowridenranger@...> wrote:
>
> i was expelled for my tae kwon do school. im 29, this happened when i was 28.
my parents and i disagry alot, my mom said to my intrustor that i needed anger
management but the person i went to see sad i was angery but i did not need
anger management. i was expelled and have not been back scence. do yall think
this was right or what i really don't know what to make of it. on one hand i am
upset at mom and on other hand i an upset at my intructor because i am an adult
and this was done to me. some input would be nice thank you all.
>