--- In brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Deborah R. Williams"
<taesujutsu@...> wrote:
>
> Hi JW,
>
> Yous said:   "you are correct a complete style would have
everything.
> but its hard
>   to find a complete style taught as such."
>
> LOL, no it isn't...come train with me for a week ,adn the corss
> training will be a thing of the past.  :^)
>
> With that said though, you are correct, to many schools today to
teach
> the sport, and not the true art.
>
> Peace,
> tae
>
hey tae yes there are still good teachers out there like you and
rick and others but when you look at martial arts as a whole.the
sports schools far out number the schools that try to stay true to
the art.

this is yahoo.and they are always going to goof something up.we cant
controll how many times yahoo sends the same post. all we can do is
delete them from the boards.witch we have been doing

we do nto control you flow of e-mail...you do.
Go to the very top of you page where it says "edit membership"
When you get to the page that explains your membership, and your
preferences, hit the "daily digest".  that will stop the flow of e-
mails to you box.

Peace,
Tae

Hi JW,

Yous said:   "you are correct a complete style would have everything.
but its hard
   to find a complete style taught as such."

LOL, no it isn't...come train with me for a week ,adn the corss
training will be a thing of the past.  :^)

With that said though, you are correct, to many schools today to teach
the sport, and not the true art.

Peace,
tae

TYhe only reason people cross train these days is because it is a
sport more than the self defense sytems they use to be..so with that
in mind they yeah to get that trophy they probably would have to corss
train.

However, those really seriuos about the martila ART, and not the
SPORT, should find a teacher  who teaches the old way, and a system
that has much more self defense in mind than sport.

Peace,
tae

Hi JW,
When talking aobuty "compelte systems" we are not talking aobut how a
person teaches.  we are talking about, one that contains actaully two
different sytems in one.  IN other waord they contain also
a "compelte" self defense.  A practical martial art, and not a sport
martial art claiming to be self defense.

With a complete system you don't need to cross train, becasue all
aspesct are there, especially the self defense..however, not to many
systems teach it that way anymore.  one thing is as you have seen
here, to many people think martial arts must be a game or "fun" to
keep people interested, or they will break down the hard training
because they would loose to many people if it is to hard.

Peace,
tae

But who says it is "complete" you will get only his or her ideals and thoughts.
Where someone esle might have different views and points.
"john wagner" <animal9990@...> wrote:

>you are correct a complete style would have everything. but its hard
>to find a complete style taught as such.too much sport is taught. so
>you have to cross train to get back what was lost.
>

Please dont send me
many emails about the
same topic anymore just
one thank you

I believe that they Should cross train. Look at any good athlete do they have
the same coach all their life. How did the get so good.  Because they work with
different experts in their feild....Each one brings something different
Chris

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would not be necessary?
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>Subject: [brownbelt1111111] oppions,please
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>What creates a better fighter? A "complete" style or cross training?
>Assuming that said complete style is actually good, I could see it
>having the advantage of training with synergy. That way, it's
>guaranteed that the practitioner's techniques wouldn't become
>compartmentalized, and flow naturally between eachother.
>
>On the other hand, cross training supplies more depth in each facet of
>combat that one trains in than -- say -- training in one style that
>encompasses multiple ranges of fighting
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you are correct a complete style would have everything. but its hard
to find a complete style taught as such.too much sport is taught. so
you have to cross train to get back what was lost.

What is the difference between Kenpo and Kempo?

What creates a better fighter? A "complete" style or cross training?
Assuming that said complete style is actually good, I could see it
having the advantage of training with synergy. That way, it's
guaranteed that the practitioner's techniques wouldn't become
compartmentalized, and flow naturally between eachother.

On the other hand, cross training supplies more depth in each facet of
combat that one trains in than -- say -- training in one style that
encompasses multiple ranges of fighting

what do you think of the new home pic?

Kalaripayattu, one of the oldest martial art is a unique system of
self defense originated from Kerala,India.The fighters master the art
through a systematic and vigorous training and therefore cultivating
mental alertness and agility.

Nothing wrong with that, but the schools I went to didn't do that.
Remember thugh that was years ago  :^)....things have changed, not all
for the better.

What the schools(commercial scholls) do here now is sometimes
confusing even to the studetns, however, the "backyard" dojos, still
teach the way I was taught.

Peace,
tae

about all those duplicate posts but yahoo must be having a problem

i have temorly up dated the home pic.as soon as i get a cammera ill
upload a shot of my own for the perminet home pic. but until then im
using one of the suggestions of a group member

--- In brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Deborah R. Williams"
<taesujutsu@...> wrote:
>
> Hi bradah Rick,
>
>
> You said:  "Well, the human body only moves and breaks certain ways.
I
> believe all good combative martial arts eventually arrive at the
same
> conclusions. It's the teaching methods that one may find unique."
>
> Thank you very much...I indeed concur.
>
> Peace,
> Tae
>
so do i

sorry  that i havent been able to join in group for a while. internet
problems. hey tae, the schools i went to just called you by your first
name.until you reached brownbelt. mr,mrs or ms. was your first title.
then when you got your blackbelt.it was sensi

--- In brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Deborah R. Williams"
<taesujutsu@...> wrote:
I'm sorry Chick,
I forget taht the new folks don't know my dry sense of humor yet...the
statement "you point is?" was meant as a joke. Just something I picked
up from a friend of mine.

Peace,
Tae

Hi chick,


Verbal, and actaul is not the same.  You point is?

A person who sees a technique someone else does, and decides to go
home and try it, is not trained in that technique..and with some
techniques that can be dangerous.

Such as pressure points, proper joint locks, and even how to kick
properly, to insure you don't break you foot or toes.  Same goes for
punches, and blocks.

Just looking at a technique, doesn't mean a person knows squat about
it...as in the proper usage of  it. That is why  basics no matter
what it is  in,  must be known before a person can claim to be such
and such.  Heck when I trained full contact I trained with a boxer,
but I would not ever say I AM A BOXER....becasue training with a
boxer to learn a boxers hands, doesn't mean I actually know how to
box...only how to apply it to what I already know.  Just looking at a
gun, and seeing a person use it, doesn't mean a person can jsut go
out and shoot at anything that comes along, again they must(or
should), know the basics which include gun safety.

I have freinds who are boxers now, and I know from watching them,
that it is much more than just throwing a punch.

A perosn can not know the claim to be a martial artist of any kind,
unless they have actaully taken the time to study that art, and the
basics....the So called MMA in the area( again note I am talking
aobut MY area), do  not know the basics, and some have never set foot
in a martial arts studio...that is what I am talking about.
I am not saying that MMA are nto good at waht they have chosen to do,
only that they should never call themselves MMA, or martial artists
unless they have actually studied the martial arts.

It is one thing to say you are a martial artist, it is antoehr to
actually put in the time leraning one.

Peace,
Tae

When I am talking about Brown belts not teaching, I am only talking
about the tradtioanl styles.
I have seen in some of the tradtioanl systmes the best techniques
left for these ranks as far as basics. To let a brwon belt teach
these systems before they understand all of the basics the systems
have would not be a good idea.

As I stated in the post to rick, it is not something I agree with,
because I feel they hold to much out just to keep a student coming
back, but that is the way those teachers run those systems, adn i
feel it should be respected.

The main point is though, is that we have folks who have NO BASIC
knowledge in the martial arts, going around claiming to be MMA. How
can they claim something they know nothing aobut.

Even in boxing a person to really claim they are a boxer, would have
to have the basic knowledge of boxing. Basics are the key in
everything, whetehr it be martial arts or boxing or firing a gun.

Where do basics begin and advanced levels start? IN the tradtional
systems that is clear. In the more innovative systems, a white, and
yellow belt is basic, adn the intermediate, and advanced go from
there.

In short folks it depends on the system, and how it is taught.
Whetehr or not a teacher is holding back for the sake of making
moeny, or whetehr they are wantign to teach real self defense, so
their students do not have to be a green belt or above, before they
can defend themselves.

It goes back to the old thing of "are you teaching a sport, or
tteaching to live".

Still all in all, BASICS must be tuaght somewhere or the person
cannot say they are a certian thing. Hodgepodge is alright for some,
but a really good basic knowledege is better.

Peace,
tae

When I am talking about Brown belts not teaching, I am only talking
about the tradtioanl styles.
I have seen in some of the tradtioanl systmes the best techniques
left for these ranks as far as basics.  To let a brwon belt teach
these systems before they understand all of the basics the systems
have would not be a good idea.

As I stated in the post to rick, it is not something I agree with,
because I feel they hold to much out just to keep a student coming
back, but that is the way those teachers run those systems, adn i
feel it should be respected.

The main point is though, is that we have folks who have NO BASIC
knowledge in the martial arts, going around claiming to be MMA.  How
can they claim something they know nothing aobut.

Even in boxing a person to really claim they are a boxer, would have
to have the basic knowledge of boxing.   Basics are the key in
everything, whetehr it be martial arts or boxing or firing a gun.

Where do basics begin and advanced levels start?  IN the tradtional
systems that is clear.  In the more innovative systems, a white, and
yellow belt is basic, adn the intermediate, and advanced go from
there.

In short folks it depends on the system, and how it is taught.
Whetehr or not a teacher is holding back for the sake of making
moeny, or whetehr they are wantign to teach real self defense, so
their students do not have to be a green belt or above, before they
can defend themselves.

It goes back to the old thing of "are you teaching a sport, or
tteaching to live".

Still all in all, BASICS must be tuaght somewhere or the person
cannot say they are a certian thing.  Hodgepodge is alright for some,
but a really good basic knowledege is better.

Peace,
tae

Here is antoher case though of different ways for different people.
NO right or wrong...let me get that straight now, since some took it
the wrong way on the last discussion.  :^)