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Tae,

There was a girl in my school who some time ago was carjacked. she is
a pretty little thing and the guy had a gun.

she fought him off and survived. The thing is I did not notice her
training particularly hard nor did she tend to participate in the
sparring oriented drills/classes.

After her event I noticed her training with a bit more focus and she
did start getting into the sparring oriented classes drills.

this of course supports your point below about training for real.
However I notice that most women I come across seem to be reluctant to
engage in physical activity. for many reasons they just do not seem to
want to engage.

I think that for our school they like the 'style' that is in our
forms. the workouts are pretty rigorous and the forms are pretty.

I agree with you that gals more than guys should get a taste of what
it may be like but most I come across do not seem to want to bother.

Dave

--- In brownbelt1111111@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Deborah Williams"
<taesujutsu@...> wrote:
>
> This article, has a good point. Martial Arts are martial arts.
They are, or should be as realistic in trianing as possible. This
includes "what ifs", surprise attacks that puts the student in a
position to have to react.
>
> They should include fighting without sparring equipment. With
women they should include taking that hit form a man, and the man not
being punshied for it. They should also include anything the teacher
can think of that would thrwo the student off gaurd.
>
> Doing line drills all of the time, makes the art a sport. Why,
because jsut doing line drills will not prepare you for the street.
By now, everyone in here knows I am a firm believer in "you are what
you train". Train for sport, with a ref and a call for being hit a
little to hard at times, and you will react that way in the street.
Train for fighting, and going till one calls uncle, is better. I am
not saying we have to kill each other, but we should have some real
training in there.
>
> I think women should first and foremost make up their mind what
they want, before entering a class. Do they want to really kearn self
defense...or sport. ther is nothing wrong with either, but there is a
difference in the way it is taught. I will tell any woman, that to go
into the street, and not be prepared for the really strong hit, can
get you killed. I will tell ayone, to go int the street, adn not have
it in the back of your mind that you might have to actaully kill
someone to survive will get you killed. Not that you should wnat to
kill, but you must be ready if you have to do it.
>
> For those who are training for self defense, plese train as your
life depened on it, because truth is, in this day and time it just
mgiht. For those who are in it strictly for the sport, then train for
sport, but make no mistake. Sport and self defense are two different
things.
>
> Peace,
> Tae
>
>
>
>
> "LIfe is short, live it wisely."
>
> Dr. Deborah R. Williams
> Founder-Tae Su Jutsu
> GA. State Representative- Unified Martial Arts Federation
> U.S. Director- Practical Martial Arts
> Board Member- Netwrok of Martial Arts
> Member-International Black Dragon Kung Fu Society of Healing and
Combat Arts
>
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This article, has a good point. Martial Arts are martial arts. They are, or should be as realistic in trianing as possible. This includes "what ifs",...
Dr. Deborah Williams
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Aug 7, 2007
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Tae, There was a girl in my school who some time ago was carjacked. she is a pretty little thing and the guy had a gun. she fought him off and survived. The...
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Aug 7, 2007
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Hi David, You Said: " I agree with you that gals more than guys should get a taste of what it may be like but most I come across do not seem to want to...
Dr. Deborah R. Williams
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Aug 7, 2007
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Tae, I personally do not believe in Amazons as told in legend. I did see a special on the history channel or something about Boudica of the Celts. Very...
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Hi Davud, Two years ago, archeologist found the REAL amozons, nad they were a warrior class as the legends state, that is why I mentioned them, also when I...
Dr. Deborah Williams
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Tae, Perhaps you are right about the Amazons. It is just every time I have heard mention of them it is always myths and legends never anything concrete. Dave ...
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Hi Dave, I understand where you are coming from. National Geograhic did a two hour speacial on the lady who finally after over 30yrs, I believe, found the...
Dr. Deborah Williams
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I still eeks me out when people mention sparring and realism together Rick The Myth of The Ultimate Martial Arts Drill ...
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Hi Bradah, notice I didn't say spar..I said, fight. Big difference. :^D Peace, Tae...
Dr. Deborah R. Williams
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Hey Rick, I guess it depends on your definition of sparring and realism. To me sparring has rules. For example as much as many enamored of UFC/PRIDE and the...
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Hi David, You sadi: "IN a shool you can not really fight...." Yes you can. That is what we do here. and yes it is usally one person stading, mor often than...
Dr. Deborah Williams
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Thai boxers "fight" with protective gear and rules. Yes I guess you can really fight in a school. ... ...
krall krall
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Aug 8, 2007
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Not really. Go to a real Thai school in Tahiland. they only use boxing gloves, and the rules are don't kill anyone. :^) We use the head gear, so we can go...
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It may vary from school to school, but Muay Thai is still ultimately a dueling art. Alright, quick story and I hope the lesson sinked in a bit: A few years ago...
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Hi Krall, Go to Tahiland, and practice there, and see if you think they are still freezing. i Trained with a guy who spent 8yrs over there, after earning BB's...
Dr. Deborah Williams
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I'm not interested in how hard the people hit, nor how good of fighters they are. Fighting is not self defense. Nor am I really interested in how many injuries...
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Krall, Real Self Defesne is FIGHTING. Muay Thai was ans still isthe self defense system if Thailand. So the guy will shoot him..think so, if they are close...
Dr. Deborah Williams
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I disagree with the statement that self defense is fighting. It has nothing to do with how hard I hit the person, or how serious I am about doing damage, or...
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LOL, If you are trying to survue, do you not have to beat the perosn in some respect. face it if you are in a survival situation you are in a FIGHT. it is...
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Tae, you've made comments a few times about about "fighting for your life" and about my supposed illusion that one can survive a violent encounter without...
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Krall, You have been argumentive this whole time on this subject...Either you do not understand what I am saying, or you just want to argue. I have stated...
Dr. Deborah Williams
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That is correct. I really don't contribute here unless I disagree with something. A lot of what is said in this group I agree with but I don't feel right...
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Aug 14, 2007
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Hi Krall, Here is the problem though. To make your point(which you did), and for the other person to make their point(which was done), and to continue to want...
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Responding to both Rick and Tae: For now on I'm going to try to be more constructive in the group. I'll try contributing rather than argueing all the time, and...
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Hi Krall, that is all we can ask for...thank you. Peace, Tae "LIfe is short, live it wisely." Dr. Deborah R. Williams Founder-Tae Su Jutsu GA. State...
Dr. Deborah Williams
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Hi Krall, Let me see if I can put it another way. YOU SAID: "There are two reasons I call Muay Thai a sport-based system. First is the environment. Unless I...
Dr. Deborah R. Williams
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Tae, Thanks for your comments. Panic - unfortunately I have my limits. I know I have a breaking point and at some point will just go for it. Muy Thai - There...
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Aug 10, 2007
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I have to agree on the foot ware and the gloves for they hinder the actual work out. The only time in my class and the school I attend, too use the gloves...
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Just my two cents. No matter how hard you workout or what art you study, a person does not know how they will react or even if they would react. In my opinion,...
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Eddie, this is why I take my students out in the STREET. they are attacked, they defned, and although it might not be real, they do not know when it is going...
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