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Re: [Brown Cycling] Training philosophy/physiology thoughts   Message List  
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Re: [Brown Cycling] Training philosophy/physiology thoughts

Back in the dark ages (early 1980s) we were not allowed into the big
chainring until we had 1000 miles in for the season. Many riders are
in the big ring too much, too soon and too early. This time of year I
don't get the HR over 150. (But I'm a fat old man)

It's tough to keep yourself in this range. Rides like the TH ride and
even the tuesday night ride can succumb to peer pressure and ego and
goad people into riding too hard.

A couple of friends of mine who raced internationally, one who won the
Irish Milk Race twice, tell me that 90% of their training was in the
42 x 19 or 17 at 17mph. Think about that next time you let the avg.
mph on your 'puter push you too much.

Sooo....

Kepp Tuesday night open for low intensity, social, quick riding.

This year will be the 5th season of Boulevard pacelines. Watch this
space.

Go Wolverines! http://www.lmb.org/wsc/
http://www.usbhof.com/inductees/1990.cfm



--- In brown-cycling-club@yahoogroups.com, "Bernstein, Ethan"
<Ethan_Bernstein@b...> wrote:
>
> Good questions and thoughts. In my understanding, this type of
low-intensity, low-heartrate training should be done annually. And it
really does work. My first racing season I had prescribed that very
regimen for myself, and literally continued it up until the day of my
first race. I probably put in a couple thousand low-heartrate
training miles, and did not sprint at all. It really paid off, and I
finished 3rd in my first criterium (with some 60 starters). Now my
first approach was quite extreme, especially for someone who has a few
racing seasons under their belt. But the philosophy still remains in
spirit. As a rule, the more miles you train, the less intense they
should be. Assuming you are talking road-racing and longer crits, it
takes a very short amount of time (in the grand scheme of things) to
peak out your speed. If you train for 7 or 8 months, it should only
take only 1-3 months of training "hard" at the end to reach full
potential. The rest should really be low-intensity.
>
> In any case, all your training at this point should be low-intensity
spinning (you should sweat and breathe hard, but not strain). If you
plan on racing this ECCC season, start doing sprints and training hard
during february. If you race on and off during March and april, you
should be in peak form by the ECCC championships in mid-may.
>
> Hope that helps Geoff
>
> ~Ethan
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: brown-cycling-club@yahoogroups.com on behalf of GeWilli
> Sent: Mon 1/9/2006 5:05 PM
> To: brown-cycling-club@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Brown Cycling] Training philosophy/physiology thoughts
>
>
>
> Okay - somewhat out of the blue, but with all this talk about spinning
> classes and different workouts (from the ride and carry over
> discussions from a bit ago)...
>
> How does the 'group' feel about the old Walden school thoughts that
> produced the likes of Frankie Andreu?
> "Michigan coaching legend Mike Walden kept his road racers on a 42/15
> fixed gear at a heart rate never to exceed 65% of their maximum until
> they had logged 1000 miles for the season, and he claimed a single
> sprint would negate all the "capillary developing" of this phase"
>
> specifically the capillary development in the low intensity workouts?
>
> I had a friend who was a successful junior racer in the New England
> scene back in the mid-late 80s who went back to cycling in California
> a few years ago and a coach "prescribed" a regime not unlike Walden's
> 1000 miles at 65% before any efforts. And it worked extremely well
> for him.
>
> Now does this base need to be done just once in a career? Or is it
> the critical element of any successful annual road racing program?
>
> thoughts? comments? suggestions?
> sure the big issue is who has time this time of year (esp with the
> early start to the ECCC calendar) to get 1000 miles of base in before
> focusing on specific training like sprinting and hill climbing. What
> is the beneficial threshold? 500 miles of low intensity?
>
> stuff to think about when ya are doing hamster miles inside ;)
>
> -Geoff
>
> oh and BTW thanks for the great ride on Saturday, it felt great to be
> out in the Sun!
>
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Good questions and thoughts. In my understanding, this type of low-intensity, low-heartrate training should be done annually. And it really does work. My...
Bernstein, Ethan
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Back in the dark ages (early 1980s) we were not allowed into the big chainring until we had 1000 miles in for the season. Many riders are in the big ring too...
Bruce Masterson
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Jan 10, 2006
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To add to this discussion. I am very hesitant to encourage the "never in the big ring" philospohy. If I ride at 16-17mph(for example) I will be at 120-130heart...
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Jan 10, 2006
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Not everything is slow and easy. Just a lot. Never in the big ring is not accurate. Just less in the big ring. I'm willing to bet that only a small number...
Bruce Masterson
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Just an addendum to Ben's comments. Ben is a very strong rower, with years of experience training in his sport. But sports differ, and from my understanding,...
Katherine Stange
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Jan 10, 2006
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Actually, I'd say that the portion of the training cycle under discussion is about the only portion of my training and cycling training that are probably...
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Jan 10, 2006
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Level 2-3, 2 hours with Guilia, Kate and me. For some reason Kate tucked like Sean Yates for the downhill windup before the first Tim Horton townline, which...
Dawn Richardson
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Jan 10, 2006
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Graham here...adding to the long list of bulk e-mails. In regards to prepping for the early collegiate seaon. 1) You could do intense "build" sessions now if...
Garber, Graham
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Jan 10, 2006
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these very questions have been on my mind ever since i took my first spin class earlier this winter. over break i read several physiology studies from the last...
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Jan 10, 2006
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No weight lifting? This is news to me... The same books that write about periodization (eg. Friehl) write that women in particular should include...
Werner, Allison
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Jan 10, 2006
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weight training, weight training, weight training!! Bicycle racing is not a steady state aerobic effort-that is called bicycle touring. You have to be able...
Dawn Richardson
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All of you should stop lifting weights right now... So I can kick your butts on rides! Adam had emailed me some studies on Sunday about weight training and...
Kipp Bradford
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Jan 11, 2006
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Some cyclists pros weight train...others don't. It all depends on what you feel works for you and whether you feel you need gains in strength. If you feel it...
Shelley, Daniel
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there is controversy about the importance of weight training, but the good money seems to be on the no weight training side. there was a specific study that...
adam dehavenon
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Weight training is a huge debate is rowing for similar reasons with similar arguements, especially for those like me who have a weight that must be attainded. ...
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Jan 10, 2006
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I haven't really been reading all of the posts regarding weight training so forgive me if I am repeating what has already been posted. I'm not sure if I could...
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Jan 11, 2006
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sorry for the volume of my responses on training advice. Weight training is crucial to high level cycling performance for women, veterans and skinny-tendency...
Dawn Richardson
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Jan 11, 2006
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you should talk, thunder thighs. Us midgets have to keep up with you people somehow. Will you accept weight training strictly for the watt impaired? I have...
Dawn Richardson
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Hey adam. I wasn't sure what the C-S manual advocated. It put forth an argument against weight training, but then it advocates it to break up monotony? Also,...
Adam de Havenon
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Can i just say, I am impressed and tickled to read so many very well written, fact/experience based emails. I will also apologize to those who don't have the...
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Best part of College Hill for hill repeats is go to North Main until you get to the Kentucky Fried Chicken and head up. It's the longest way up, maybe 4 ...
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