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Howdy All!

I'm not really new, just been lurking for a while (give or take a month) and thought I'd say Hi.  (That and I have ulterior motives, but shhhh.)

Anyway, I've got a 30yo OTTB who's still very much riding sound (had to lunge him today before I rode because he was bucking and playing and feeling spunky) and he's been going bitless for about a year now due to some pretty extreme dental issues (he's currently got about 8 working teeth, and a top molar out of occlusion).  I started him in a sidepull jumping hackamore, but then moved to a Dr. Cook bridle.  Here he is, modeling the Dr. Cook's:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v197/dreamswept/Flair/flair364a.jpg

Not bad for a 30 year old, if I do say so myself. :D
   Plus, he really doesn't need the fleece noseband cover since the bridle leather's not harsh, but I think he just looks good in it.  Makes him look like a racehorse with a shadow roll.  Not that I really want him to avoid looking at the ground, but I just like the fleece noseband.

Now, normally, I'm pretty happy with the Dr. Cook bridle.  My old boy's got teeth issues like nothing else, so he's happy too that he doesn't have to have a bit in his mouth.  We normally do pretty well in it, except my only real issue with the bridle seems to be that I can't quite seem to work the reins as much as I could when my horse used to have a bit.  He's got a tendency to do what Anita, my former trainer, used to call "The Giraffe" where he'd trot around happy as a clam with his head up high in the air.  Now, when he used to go in a mild little eggbutt snaffle, I could wiggle my reins with some brief half-halts and just a little squeeze to get him to drop his head.  I could also bend him to the inside and the outside to get him to drop his head.  My biggest problem right now is that my leather Dr. Cooks bridle doesn't seem to let me do that.  I don't seem to get much release with the crossunder straps.  They work, I know they do because he direct reins beautifully, but I don't really feel much of any release action when I wiggle the reins with half-halts.  Is there any way to go about making sure the crossunder straps do slide a bit more? They seem to be sort of stuck and tight, I don't really see any independent movement at all.  On the other hand, when I did use the beta bridle, I got a little more poll flexion, and could actually make the straps slide a bit if I did half-halt squeezes.  I just like the leather bridle so much more because of the solid crown piece, maybe I ought to switch the crossunder straps around since I still have the beta bridle. (I just hate the beta material overall. It makes my hands feel itchy.  Give me a leather bridle any day.  But then, I'm funny like that because I adore my Wintec saddles.  I guess leather=bridles but synthetic=saddles for me.)

I've considered using a martingale for a while, particularly for ring work, since that seems to be where most of the problem lies (in the ring, that is.)  I did check the Bitless Bridle website, and the FAQs did state that if one were to use a martingale, they'd suggest a running one over a standing.  However, in looking at pictures from various sites about the Dr. Cook's bridle, I've never actually seen anyone using a martingale.  I'd almost hate to get one because I've never felt the need to load him down with gadgets, but I did like it when he would drop his poll and round his crest when I did half-halts.  He's very well trained, and willing to please, he's just equally willing to go about in giraffe mode.


Any suggestions would be great.

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Leiana



Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:29 am

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Howdy All! I'm not really new, just been lurking for a while (give or take a month) and thought I'd say Hi. (That and I have ulterior motives, but shhhh.) ...
Leiana
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Apr 29, 2007
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I would start at the standstill.....asking for a break at the poll just like you would if he had a bit on....you might bend the jaw slightly to the inside to...
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Apr 29, 2007
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Coming from Alexandra Kurland's clicker training world, I would start with ground work, focusing on getting your boy to lower his head and hold it down...
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