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#7496 From: "metricdevelopment" <rental_car@...>
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 6:06 am
Subject: new r&m website layout
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http://www.r-m.de/

See the new colours and Tune cranks etc. I don't see the Frog(?)

#7495 From: "metricdevelopment" <rental_car@...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:41 am
Subject: mudguards
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Bold-on mudguards made specifically for Birdy are available from R&M
(who will pass you on to a German dealer)  and it's from dealers with
minor variation: i.e for the newer monocoque model, and in black or
alu.

Start in SG if you haven't checked this dealer yet:
http://foldingbikestory.com/Birdy.html

You can also get parts/accessories from Hometec, the distributorin TW:
http://www.hometec.com.tw/acc.asp?catid=4&pid=5&accid=9

If you several items then order from a bike shop in Japan or Europe.

#7494 From: "diginexxsingapore" <steven@...>
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:19 pm
Subject: Any 3rd party mudguard suitable for Birdy Classic?
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I am looking for a 3rd party mudguard for Birdy Classic, can someone
help? Where to get it and the cost? I am from Singapore. Steven

#7493 From: "Bob Gelman" <bobgelman@...>
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:07 am
Subject: Fw: [BromptonTalk] RE: PBP on Brompton
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----- Original Message -----
From: andreas rusch
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Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:45 PM
Subject: [BromptonTalk] RE: PBP on Brompton



   Dear Tal,

   this is really remarkable. I did the Trondheim-Oslo with my Birdy, and could
not have gone any further. If I may ask for a favour, a report on your feat with
some lovely pics and also technical details would certainly be most appreciated
by the community (and gain you a place in the Brompton Hall of Fame).

   Kind regards,

   Andreas

   Hi all,
   I did it! I made it in 89H57m!
   Which is 3 minutes before the cutoff time!
   On bike speed was around 19.3 km/h.
   It was a very hard PBP (if not the hardest)
   There were about 32% abandons (compared to a regular 16% non
   finishers.)
   It was raining for most of the 90 hours.
   The only mechanical problem was with the crankset.
   It's a Specialites- TA Vega, and the spider lockring was loose at
   times.
   I asked 2 (French) mechanics, and they both said that the crank is
   broken, and cannot be repaired.
   The symptom was the chainrings were moving sideways about 1mm.
   My Brompton got many photos and admiration, and "petit velo" calls
   from viewers :)
   It seems that my bike survived the flight both ways.
   I used the methods listed in message # 35932.
   I should have added that I used compression members from S and S
   Machine, as can be seen here:
   http://www.sandsmac hine.com/ ac_comp.htm
   Tal.

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#7492 From: Peter de Leuw <peter@...>
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:40 pm
Subject: Re: Re: '08 Speed - DE news
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Am 25.08.2007 um 15:31 schrieb Peter:

> One thing that isn't clear is whether it comes in the other Birdy
> colors.

You can order the Birdy speed in the five usual Birdy colors. "lime
green" is available as a limited edition, I think for every Birdy
model. So you can order a Birdy speed or a Birdy rohloff or a Birdy
city ... with a lime green frame.

Peter


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#7491 From: "sam4u3421" <sam4u3421@...>
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:40 pm
Subject: Survey: How many bikers like riding together?
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We are seeking bikers to ride with, and take to biker rally. Now, lots
of bikers joined. Many biker girls, boys, women and men gather here.

If you want to join for romance, fun, friendship and love, you are most
welcome. Click the following link to join.

Sign up: http://www.beep.com/memberdateien/members/hotbiker/join.htm

#7490 From: "Peter" <petermuennig@...>
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:31 pm
Subject: Re: '08 Speed - DE news
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Also, if that report is correct, at 2000 Euros it is priced lower than a
comperable
monocoque racing bike. Even more amazingly, the bike comes in at that weight
with
Marathon Racer tires. One could probably get it into the 8-9Kg range with a
lighter rear
hub and Stelvio tires.

One thing that isn't clear is whether it comes in the other Birdy colors.

--- In birdybike@yahoogroups.com, "metricdevelopment" <rental_car@...> wrote:
>
> Some good news ffrom the German Birdy Friend site:
>
> http://www.birdy-freunde.de/news/index.html
>
> With some pasted in bits as web-translated:
>
> + the '08 Birdy Speed will weigh in under 10 kilograms.
> + approximately 400 grams are reduced with new lighter components +
> + Tune 'Big Foot' cranks
> + KMC light chain X9 SL
> + available from October
> + special "lime green" colour on limited basis (100 bikes)
>
> Tune make awesome stuff:  http://www.tune.de
>

#7489 From: "Peter" <petermuennig@...>
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:13 pm
Subject: Re: '08 Speed - DE news
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Nice!

Here is the translated version: http://translate.google.com/translate?
hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.birdy-freunde.de/news/
index.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%
3Dherbstmessen:%2BNeues%2Bvom%2BBirdy%26num%3D30%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%
26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26pwst%3D1




--- In birdybike@yahoogroups.com, "metricdevelopment" <rental_car@...> wrote:
>
> Some good news ffrom the German Birdy Friend site:
>
> http://www.birdy-freunde.de/news/index.html
>
> With some pasted in bits as web-translated:
>
> + the '08 Birdy Speed will weigh in under 10 kilograms.
> + approximately 400 grams are reduced with new lighter components +
> + Tune 'Big Foot' cranks
> + KMC light chain X9 SL
> + available from October
> + special "lime green" colour on limited basis (100 bikes)
>
> Tune make awesome stuff:  http://www.tune.de
>

#7488 From: "metricdevelopment" <rental_car@...>
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:56 am
Subject: '08 Speed - DE news
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Some good news ffrom the German Birdy Friend site:

http://www.birdy-freunde.de/news/index.html

With some pasted in bits as web-translated:

+ the '08 Birdy Speed will weigh in under 10 kilograms.
+ approximately 400 grams are reduced with new lighter components +
+ Tune 'Big Foot' cranks
+ KMC light chain X9 SL
+ available from October
+ special "lime green" colour on limited basis (100 bikes)

Tune make awesome stuff:  http://www.tune.de

#7487 From: "ianloasby" <ianloasby@...>
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:54 pm
Subject: Tickit in Sheffield
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Hi All,

Just to let you know if your in the UK and can get to Sheffield next
month we are hoping to have a guy from Bike Friday demo the Tickit
folder on 24th Spetembr.

Ill be taking my Birdy black down so it can socialise with a Tickit or
two.

Ill post more details when they are confirmed but its likely to be an
evening meet in a local pub close to a supertram stop (folders are
permitted on the tram).

Thanks

Ian

www.sheffieldcyclecampaign.org.uk

#7486 From: "freeseagulltaiwan" <julianhcliu@...>
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:43 am
Subject: Re: A mini-cycling trip in Ireland
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--- In birdybike@yahoogroups.com, "c0rmic" <c0rmic@...> wrote:
>
> --- In birdybike@yahoogroups.com, "freeseagulltaiwan"
> <julianhcliu@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In birdybike@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <petermuennig@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In birdybike@yahoogroups.com, "freeseagulltaiwan"
> > <julianhcliu@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi guys,
> > > >
> > > > Just finished a trip in Ireland - half with the FICC Rally
and
> > half in
> > > > cycling the best of Ireland.
> > > > See "http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/juliantheseagull-intaiwan".
> > Enjoy.
> > > >
> > > > Julian
> > > >
> > >
> > > Looks amazing, Julian. Were those roads mostly car free?
> > >
> > It's more crowded on the national road (Nxx) but pretty car free
on
> > the country road (Rxxx) that I recommend - if I have more time.
> > Country roads are distant but full of scenery.
> >
> I too enjoyed Ireland for my first time during the 1st week of
July.
> Tempurature in the upper 60 F the whole week. Julian I'm curious,
were
> you advised that the Republic of Ireland has the 2nd most dangerous
> roads in Europe? I do not see any road shoulders in your pictures.
> Yes, your pictures are better than mine. What the pictures don't
show
> is the famous hospitality of most of the Irish. Yes it's true.
> C.Thomas
>
Thanks Thomas - where's the most dangerous road in Europe? Irish are
great drivers not only handling the narrow winding roads well but
treating cyclists extremely friendly. I never looked back to yield
to approaching cars - actually rarely felt existence of an
approaching car. It seemed that they are afraid to disturb me. What
a considerate manner.
Julian

#7485 From: "Bob Gelman" <bobgelman@...>
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:53 am
Subject: Performance Coupon
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                  Bob









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#7484 From: "c0rmic" <c0rmic@...>
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:06 pm
Subject: Re: A mini-cycling trip in Ireland
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--- In birdybike@yahoogroups.com, "freeseagulltaiwan"
<julianhcliu@...> wrote:
>
> --- In birdybike@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <petermuennig@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In birdybike@yahoogroups.com, "freeseagulltaiwan"
> <julianhcliu@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi guys,
> > >
> > > Just finished a trip in Ireland - half with the FICC Rally and
> half in
> > > cycling the best of Ireland.
> > > See "http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/juliantheseagull-intaiwan".
> Enjoy.
> > >
> > > Julian
> > >
> >
> > Looks amazing, Julian. Were those roads mostly car free?
> >
> It's more crowded on the national road (Nxx) but pretty car free on
> the country road (Rxxx) that I recommend - if I have more time.
> Country roads are distant but full of scenery.
>
I too enjoyed Ireland for my first time during the 1st week of July.
Tempurature in the upper 60 F the whole week. Julian I'm curious, were
you advised that the Republic of Ireland has the 2nd most dangerous
roads in Europe? I do not see any road shoulders in your pictures.
Yes, your pictures are better than mine. What the pictures don't show
is the famous hospitality of most of the Irish. Yes it's true.
C.Thomas

#7483 From: "freeseagulltaiwan" <julianhcliu@...>
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:14 pm
Subject: Re: A mini-cycling trip in Ireland
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--- In birdybike@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <petermuennig@...> wrote:
>
> --- In birdybike@yahoogroups.com, "freeseagulltaiwan"
<julianhcliu@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > Just finished a trip in Ireland - half with the FICC Rally and
half in
> > cycling the best of Ireland.
> > See "http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/juliantheseagull-intaiwan".
Enjoy.
> >
> > Julian
> >
>
> Looks amazing, Julian. Were those roads mostly car free?
>
It's more crowded on the national road (Nxx) but pretty car free on
the country road (Rxxx) that I recommend - if I have more time.
Country roads are distant but full of scenery.

#7482 From: "Bob Gelman" <bobgelman@...>
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:50 pm
Subject: Re: [BromptonTalk] Re: Punctures
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Oh, I see you can buy them.

http://cgi.ebay.com/TIRE-SAVERS-Vintage-Road-Bike-Essential-NO-FLATS_W0QQitemZ23\
0078624719QQcmdZViewItem

       But this is an absurd price IMHO!   I think I'd try bending some metal
coat hangers as an alternative ;)

                     Bob





   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Bob Gelman
   To: BromptonTalk@yahoogroups.com
   Cc: birdybike@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:20 AM
   Subject: Re: [BromptonTalk] Re: Punctures



           95% of the flats I get are caused by "Puncture Vine" (aka Goats Head)
thorns:

               http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/thorns.html

               http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribulus_terrestris


                    I do much of my riding on paved trails.  Young and
inexperienced riders are often off on the dirt -- I imagine they want to pretend
they are "offroad" -- on the sides of the path, where they pick up scores of
these thorns and then bring them back on the trail when they re-enter the
paving.  The thorns are often also blown onto the trail on windy days....   The
worst times for these here in Northern California are August - October.  I find
that if you can manage to "catch" one of these at the first or second revolution
of the wheel and stop to remove it you can avoid a flat; the first or second
turn of the wheel is when it sticks and starts to drive itself into the tire. 
The old glove on the tire trick to remove debris doesn't work well here as the
wheel will turn as you reach to clean it.  I find it's best to stop IMMEDIATELY
and remove the offending bugger.

                   Road riders often used "Tire Savers" in the old days, which
were small wires bent to hover over the road surface of the tire.  They were
attached to the brake fixing screw (the screw attaching the brake to the frame).
I haven't seen these sold for many many years.  I wonder what happened to them
and why they are no longer available (or something very similar).  They would
probably be very effective for Puncture Vine problems, if not other causes of
flats:

                                      
http://www.bikeman.com/content/view/307/47/


                                                   Bob




     ----- Original Message -----
     From: Simon Koorn
     To: BromptonTalk@yahoogroups.com
     Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:52 AM
     Subject: Re: [BromptonTalk] Re: Puncture fixing record


     Roland,



     If you would take the trouble of going through some old catalogues of tyre
manufacturers you'll find tyres that are as puncture-resistant as what is now on
offer.
     Most times production of such invulnerables was seized because of lack of
demand in those times that utilitarian use of bikes for daily transportation (of
goods) became obsolete and better roads made lightweight tyres a good
alternative for the more sporty use of bikes of those cyclists who remained.


     The now offered invulnerables are probably slightly lighter and possibly a
bit more comfortable as well than their ancestors, but one can say that is an
perfect example of a reinvention also know as old wine in new sacs
(dutch/german) or in english new wine in old bottles (what to think of the
difference in expression btw)


     Simon


     Op 22-aug-2007, om 09:00 heeft Roland Elsenberg het volgende geschreven:


       "Simon Koorn" wrote:

       > In respect of the puncture-fear of many, and innercity-usability…
       > I do wonder how our grandparents coped

       The answer is easy. There must have been a time when dental
       surgery seemed acceptable without narcotics. Likewise with no
       viable alternative punctures were an evil that couldn't be avoided.
       Nowadays people are used to cars and are not likely to use a vehicle
       that can be defeated by a single piece of glass.

       Roland






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#7481 From: "Bob Gelman" <bobgelman@...>
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:20 pm
Subject: Re: [BromptonTalk] Re: Punctures
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95% of the flats I get are caused by "Puncture Vine" (aka Goats Head)
thorns:

             http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/thorns.html

             http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribulus_terrestris


                  I do much of my riding on paved trails.  Young and
inexperienced riders are often off on the dirt -- I imagine they want to pretend
they are "offroad" -- on the sides of the path, where they pick up scores of
these thorns and then bring them back on the trail when they re-enter the
paving.  The thorns are often also blown onto the trail on windy days....   The
worst times for these here in Northern California are August - October.  I find
that if you can manage to "catch" one of these at the first or second revolution
of the wheel and stop to remove it you can avoid a flat; the first or second
turn of the wheel is when it sticks and starts to drive itself into the tire. 
The old glove on the tire trick to remove debris doesn't work well here as the
wheel will turn as you reach to clean it.  I find it's best to stop IMMEDIATELY
and remove the offending bugger.

                 Road riders often used "Tire Savers" in the old days, which were
small wires bent to hover over the road surface of the tire.  They were attached
to the brake fixing screw (the screw attaching the brake to the frame).  I
haven't seen these sold for many many years.  I wonder what happened to them and
why they are no longer available (or something very similar).  They would
probably be very effective for Puncture Vine problems, if not other causes of
flats:

                                     http://www.bikeman.com/content/view/307/47/


                                                 Bob




   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Simon Koorn
   To: BromptonTalk@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:52 AM
   Subject: Re: [BromptonTalk] Re: Puncture fixing record


   Roland,



   If you would take the trouble of going through some old catalogues of tyre
manufacturers you'll find tyres that are as puncture-resistant as what is now on
offer.
   Most times production of such invulnerables was seized because of lack of
demand in those times that utilitarian use of bikes for daily transportation (of
goods) became obsolete and better roads made lightweight tyres a good
alternative for the more sporty use of bikes of those cyclists who remained.


   The now offered invulnerables are probably slightly lighter and possibly a bit
more comfortable as well than their ancestors, but one can say that is an
perfect example of a reinvention also know as old wine in new sacs
(dutch/german) or in english new wine in old bottles (what to think of the
difference in expression btw)


   Simon


   Op 22-aug-2007, om 09:00 heeft Roland Elsenberg het volgende geschreven:


     "Simon Koorn" wrote:

     > In respect of the puncture-fear of many, and innercity-usability…
     > I do wonder how our grandparents coped

     The answer is easy. There must have been a time when dental
     surgery seemed acceptable without narcotics. Likewise with no
     viable alternative punctures were an evil that couldn't be avoided.
     Nowadays people are used to cars and are not likely to use a vehicle
     that can be defeated by a single piece of glass.

     Roland





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#7480 From: "Peter" <petermuennig@...>
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:44 am
Subject: Re: A mini-cycling trip in Ireland
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--- In birdybike@yahoogroups.com, "freeseagulltaiwan" <julianhcliu@...> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> Just finished a trip in Ireland - half with the FICC Rally and half in
> cycling the best of Ireland.
> See "http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/juliantheseagull-intaiwan". Enjoy.
>
> Julian
>


Looks amazing, Julian. Were those roads mostly car free?

#7479 From: "freeseagulltaiwan" <julianhcliu@...>
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:10 am
Subject: A mini-cycling trip in Ireland
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Hi guys,

Just finished a trip in Ireland - half with the FICC Rally and half in
cycling the best of Ireland.
See "http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/juliantheseagull-intaiwan". Enjoy.

Julian

#7478 From: "Bob Gelman" <bobgelman@...>
Date: Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:14 pm
Subject: Fw: [BromptonTalk] Brompton trailer
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----- Original Message -----
From: Pierre-Philippe Coupard
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Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [BromptonTalk] Brompton trailer


William Dibb wrote:
> Anybody got a solution for a Brompton trailer that packs into the
> suitcase. Like the Bike Friday trailer for example.
>
> I want to be able to cycle to the airport, pack everything in a
> suitcase and board the plane.
>
My trailer suitcase does exactly that:

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/BromptonTalk/photos/browse/2a31




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#7477 From: "Bob Gelman" <bobgelman@...>
Date: Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:00 am
Subject: suitcase folder
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Well, it does solve the problem of finding a suitable suitcase for your folder
(and little else IMHO):

              http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/04/the_suitcase_bi.php

                     Bob

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#7476 From: "Bob Gelman" <bobgelman@...>
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:09 am
Subject: Fw: [BromptonTalk] Quickr Flickr Drawstring Bags For You And Your Folding Bike
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/world-of-folding-bicycles/sets/72157601331380862/




----- Original Message -----
From: folder_fanatic
To: BromptonTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:55 AM
Subject: [BromptonTalk] Quickr Flickr Drawstring Bags For You And Your
Brompton(s)


This is a new photograph set I am offering on Flickr demonstrating how
to make a drawstring backpack or rucksack bag for you and a simple
drawstring bag (for the bike). For more photos and information see:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/world-of-folding-
bicycles/sets/72157601331380862/





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#7475 From: "solarbake" <sh@...>
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:36 pm
Subject: birdy tyres for sale.
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i have two brand new Schwalbe Marathon Racer BIRDY Tyres 18 x 1.50
including matching innertubes if anybodys interested.
im  selling the tyres for 10 pound each or the whole lot
2 tyres plus 2 inner tubes for 25 pound or near sensible offer ,
postage would be extra at about 3 to 5 pounds
please mail me if your interested

#7474 From: "elsimper" <elsimper@...>
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:22 pm
Subject: birdy blue for sale
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Hi folks, I am unfortunately selling my Birdy Blue bought from Bikefix
in Jan 2001. It has the birdy kevlar tyres including a spare, a 6V 3W
schmidt hub dynamo powering a b-m lumotec nplus halogen light, folding
pedals, velo crossbow saddle, a large suspension rear rack with light,
stand, mudguards and bag, and I have swopped the adjustable stem that
came with it for a fixed one.  Any further questions please do not
hesitate to contact me.  I can be emailed elsimper@... or
phoned on 01253 762722.  Regards, Elaine.

#7473 From: "sexyxxccgirl" <sexyxxccgirl@...>
Date: Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:41 am
Subject: I have added you to my friends network today!
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I created this cool friends network and added you to my friends network. Hit-up
now:
http://sexyhiiigirl.googlepages.com/girlfriends.htm

#7472 From: "David Black, Rad-Innovations.com" <dab@...>
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 4:20 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Fw: [BromptonTalk] brakes for 90Kg?
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YES.......................................It can be an issue  in decent
along with;  distance, weight, speed, components and their condition of
wear\ use.


DAB




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   Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:00 AM
   To: birdybike@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [birdybike] Re: Fw: [BromptonTalk] brakes for 90Kg?


   > > I said that (the same) (rim-)brake would have a different effect
   > > (better or worse) when put into action on differently sized wheels;
   > No it wouldn't. Really :-)

   The braking force generated may be the same, but would'nt
   a bigger wheel have more material to absorb heat, and so stay
   cooler on long decents?

   John I






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#7471 From: "isles_j" <isles_j@...>
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 3:59 pm
Subject: Re: Fw: [BromptonTalk] brakes for 90Kg?
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>   > I said that (the same) (rim-)brake would have a different effect
>   > (better or worse) when put into action on differently sized wheels;
>   No it wouldn't. Really :-)

The braking force generated may be the same, but would'nt
a bigger wheel have more material to absorb heat, and so stay
cooler on long decents?

John I

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#7469 From: "Peter" <petermuennig@...>
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 7:40 pm
Subject: Updated Monocoque Touring Review
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http://www.foldsoc.co.uk/Mike/birdytouring.html

Thanks for incorporating all of our comments!

What are other people's experiences using the Birdy as a road bike? I never
bothered to fix
any of  the rattling bits, so it attracts even more attention than most folders.
But I quite enjoy
watching the surprised look on the faces of rolling advertisements as I pass
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#7468 From: "Bob Gelman" <bobgelman@...>
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 7:00 pm
Subject: Fw: [BromptonTalk] brakes for 90Kg?
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----- Original Message -----
From: Simon Koorn
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Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [BromptonTalk] brakes for 90Kg?





Op 5-aug-2007, om 02:58 heeft Pierre-Philippe Coupard het volgende geschreven:


   Simon Koorn wrote:
   > I said that (the same) (rim-)brake would have a different effect
   > (better or worse) when put into action on differently sized wheels;
   No it wouldn't. Really :-)

   Think about it: if the brake could be installed at the bottom of the
   wheel instead of the top, you can see it pretty much acts directly onto
   the road through a layer of rim and tire, and the size of the wheel on
   top of it doesn't matter one jot.



Yes but why bringing it up as you assume that it doesn't matter…


   You're confused because the brake is
   on top of the wheel.



no I'am not, I never assumed any position of the brake in respect to the ground,
actually I own and have built where the brakes are nowhere near that assumed
position…


   What happens is, at the top of the wheel, the rim
   walls go linearly almost as fast (in reverse)



again your wrong, it turns and in exactly the same direction


   as the road at the bottom
   of the wheel, regardless of the wheel size : if you're going down a hill
   at 30 miles an hour, the top of the wheel goes at more or less -30 miles
   an hour with regard to the brake pads, whether the wheel is a penny
   farthing wheel or a Brompton wheel. Is this really so hard to grasp? :-)



No, but does it matter…



   > To improve on brake-performance on Bromptons and bike in general one
   > must make brake-parts stiffer and showing less axle-play, better
   > brake-blocks/-pads
   I agree but that's not the issue here. The Brompton isn't at anymore of
   a disadvantage than a road bike with regard to brakes. Whether certain
   brakes are stiffer and certain pads grippier is a whole different
   problem,



Uh,
that is actually what started all this…


   but it's the same problem for small wheel and large wheels alike.


…and furthermore there is more than enough empirical evidence to al least make
the opposite very plausible







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#7467 From: "Bob Gelman" <bobgelman@...>
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 7:00 pm
Subject: Fw: [BromptonTalk] brakes for 90Kg?
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----- Original Message -----
From: Pierre-Philippe Coupard
To: BromptonTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: [BromptonTalk] brakes for 90Kg?


Simon Koorn wrote:
> I said that (the same) (rim-)brake would have a different effect
> (better or worse) when put into action on differently sized wheels;
No it wouldn't. Really :-)

Think about it: if the brake could be installed at the bottom of the
wheel instead of the top, you can see it pretty much acts directly onto
the road through a layer of rim and tire, and the size of the wheel on
top of it doesn't matter one jot. You're confused because the brake is
on top of the wheel. What happens is, at the top of the wheel, the rim
walls go linearly almost as fast (in reverse) as the road at the bottom
of the wheel, regardless of the wheel size : if you're going down a hill
at 30 miles an hour, the top of the wheel goes at more or less -30 miles
an hour with regard to the brake pads, whether the wheel is a penny
farthing wheel or a Brompton wheel. Is this really so hard to grasp? :-)

> To improve on brake-performance on Bromptons and bike in general one
> must make brake-parts stiffer and showing less axle-play, better
> brake-blocks/-pads
I agree but that's not the issue here. The Brompton isn't at anymore of
a disadvantage than a road bike with regard to brakes. Whether certain
brakes are stiffer and certain pads grippier is a whole different
problem, but it's the same problem for small wheel and large wheels alike.




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