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RE: [bikepaths] Re: bike path laws

Personally I have almost never seen police on the bike path; I ride Rio Hondo, LARIO and SGRT at least once a week.  The only time I saw police was when they were busting some tagger on LARIO around Maywood area.  Anyway, I guess I favor education to enforcement, for the simple reason as we see behavior in LA freeways and streets; hardly anyone adheres to speed limits on city streets or freeways, all of us drive 10+ mph greater than the speed limit, rarely we get a speeding ticket. We believe it is ok to break the law as long we don’t get caught and we consider it to be safe.  In contrast however most of us use seatbelt while driving.  In my opinion it is not because we must obey the law but we believe it make more sense. Wearing seat belt saves life based upon empirical data and education. Similarly same patterns can be applied to Bike Paths.  Educate the community why it is unsafe to jog with an iPod or walk on the bike path with your eyes shut.  

 

Last year City of Pasadena tried to pass a new ordnance to stop people riding 2 abreast, their flawed argument was based upon the fact that during one hour twice a week at the Rose Bowl 60-80 rider go very fast around the Rose Bowl in a Peloton, which was very dangerous to other users of the Rose Bowl, a “big public safety issue” as stated by Police Dept. If the city had succeeded in passing the ordnance it would have been almost impossible to enforcement.  It would have meant that I couldn’t ride with my friend and family and teach my kids how to ride. A simple solution that was adopted was to educate the bike riders and the pedestrians to use the Rose Bowl with common sense. Bike riders ride clockwise & the joggers and runner go anti clockwise thereby reducing chances of accidents. While the initial solution suggested by Pasadena Police Dept to restrict cycling seemed logical it did not address all users of the space.  Similarly we should accept that the LA bike path(s) end up being used for more than just bike riding.  We live in a large area “LA County” with even a larger population with limited space for recreation use where multiple user competing for the same resources.

 

Haroon

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From: bikepaths@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bikepaths@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Mick
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:04 PM
To: bikepaths@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bikepaths] Re: bike path laws

 

Haroon Said wrote:

> Simple, a city traffic cop on the beat can give you jaywalking ticket, cause

> that his job as he saw you breaking the law.  No cop patrols the bike path,

> unless someone reports some unusual activity, plus the bike paths typically

> run thru multiple cities.  If I was running a city police department, I

> wouldn't waste my recourses on patrolling the bike path to give tickets to

> joggers or pedestrian. 

 

That sounds like an argument, but it's not "doesn't make sense".  Also:

yes, there are police on bike paths, both in autos/SUVs and on bicycles,

and sometimes plainclothes.  And, it's a big public safety issue; there

are injuries just among my small group of friends, and I'm sure the

statistics aren't good for Santa Monica/Venice on weekends.

 

> As I said earlier law enforcement is not really good

> solution, however public education is cheaper and works.

 

You could be right, but I wouldn't bet on it without actual data.

 

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> Haroon

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> Of Dan Mick

> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:59 PM

> To: bikepaths@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [bikepaths] Re: bike path laws

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> Haroon Said wrote:

>> The reality is bike paths are used by joggers, walkers and homeless.  The

>> police are not going to enforce anything because it doesn't make sense to

>> ticket a person walking.

>

> I don't understand why not, and I've certainly been ticketed for jaywalking

> (despite the complete safety of it, unlike occupying space on a bike path).

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The reality is bike paths are used by joggers, walkers and homeless. The police are not going to enforce anything because it doesn't make sense to ticket a...
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... I don't understand why not, and I've certainly been ticketed for jaywalking (despite the complete safety of it, unlike occupying space on a bike path)....
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I think the important part of these past few postings on this topic are that the public CAN be on those paths, as long as they do not "overly impede" the ...
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Simple, a city traffic cop on the beat can give you jaywalking ticket, cause that his job as he saw you breaking the law. No cop patrols the bike path, unless...
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... That sounds like an argument, but it's not "doesn't make sense". Also: yes, there are police on bike paths, both in autos/SUVs and on bicycles, and...
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Personally I have almost never seen police on the bike path; I ride Rio Hondo, LARIO and SGRT at least once a week. The only time I saw police was when they...
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I do believe it is against the regulations to be a pedestrian on all bike paths where posted signs and alternate facilities exist. Many parts of the trail do...
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I think when OP said he say he saw police on the bike path they were talking about the Venice Beach bike path in Venice not LARIO or other simlair bike paths...
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I've occasionally seen LAPD motorcycle and once in a great while patrol cars on the South Bay Bike path from Marina del Rey to Manhattan Beach. Sometimes LAPD...
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