The reality is bike paths are used by joggers, walkers and homeless. The
police are not going to enforce anything because it doesn't make sense to
ticket a person walking. The best approach is contact the DPW or the City
and get them to educate the people. I don't mind if there are other people
using the bike path as long as they understand the rules of the road and get
out of the way when a bike is approaching at high speed. 95% of the time
people move out of the way when I am riding down the bike path doing 20-24
mph. The only problem is when there is walker or jogger or even another
rider that has their IPod on and don't hear me screaming BIKE BIKE BIKE.
There are always problems with dogs; people get on the bike path with their
dog(s). Whenever I see a dog I slow down and shout out and the owner
controls the dog. In a prefect world Bike Paths would be exclusively for
bike but this is LA, the perfection is only in the movies and Botox clinics.


Haroon
-----Original Message-----
From: bikepaths@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bikepaths@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of R. Burrows
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:52 AM
To: bikepaths@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bikepaths] Re: bike path laws

The Royal Oaks bike path in Duarte is labeled as a "multi use" path
even though it is on the maps as a class 1 bike path.
Riding this path is fine when the weather is cold or rainy but it is
just loaded with joggers and walkers when the weather is fair.
The two things that really bother me is the people who walk in groups
blocking the entire path and the people with their dogs on 30'
retractable leashes, you can never tell if you are going to run afoul of
the leashes or the dogs.

I ride on the street and let the pedestrians have the path, I'd rather
take my chances with the cars.

Rich

--- In bikepaths@yahoogroups.com, DocDave <jurassicdoctor@...> wrote:
>
> I just want to clear up one thing in the previous
> post.
> I did not complained to the park rangers of Balboa
> Park about the Bikes Only sign on the Bike Path. I
> complained about the pedestrian, joggers, etc., on the
> bike path, and then they told me about the following
> law, and then took the sign down. I never complained
> about the Bikes Only sign on the Bike Path.
>
>
>
> --- DocDave jurassicdoctor@... wrote:
>
> > Is there an adequate pedestrian path adjacent to the
> > bike path on the South Bay Bike Path? Otherwise
> > pedestrians are allowed on bike paths.
> >
> > California Vehicle Code 21966. No pedestrian shall
> > proceed along a bicycle path or lane where there is
> > an
> > adjacent adequate pedestrian facility.
> >
> > Otherwise the prohibition is only for standing still
> > or loitering on the bike path:
> >
> > California Vehicle Code 21211. (a) No person shall
> > stop, stand, sit, or loiter upon any class I
> > bikeway,
> > as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 890.4 of
> > the
> > Streets and Highways Code, or any other public or
> > private bicycle path or trail, if the stopping,
> > standing, sitting, or loitering impedes or blocks
> > the
> > normal and reasonable movement of any bicyclist. (b)
> > No person shall place or park any bicycle, vehicle,
> > or
> > any other object upon any bikeway or bicycle path or
> > trail, as specified in subdivision (a), which
> > impedes
> > or blocks the normal and reasonable movement of any
> > bicyclist unless the placement or parking is
> > necessary
> > for safe operation or is otherwise in compliance
> > with
> > the law. (c) This section does not apply to drivers
> > or
> > owners of utility or public utility vehicles, as
> > provided in Section 22512. (d) This section does not
> > apply to owners or drivers of vehicles who make
> > brief
> > stops while engaged in the delivery of newspapers to
> > customers along the person's route. (e) This section
> > does not apply to the driver or owner of a rubbish
> > or
> > garbage truck while actually engaged in the
> > collection
> > of rubbish or garbage within a business or residence
> > district if the front turn signal lamps at each side
> > of the vehicle are being flashed simultaneously and
> > the rear turn signal lamps at each side of the
> > vehicle
> > are being flashed simultaneously.
> >
> >
> > When I complained about the Bikes Only signs on the
> > Bike paths in Balboa Park, Los Angeles, the park
> > rangers promptly took down the Bikes Only signs.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- terry mcintyre terrymcintyre@... wrote:
> >
> > > I have had similar issues. I don't know who
> > enforces
> > > the bikes-only signs, but evidently no great
> > effort
> > > is
> > > spared to that end.
> > >
> > > --- "c.gaian" c.gaian@... wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am an avid rider on the south bay bike path
> > from
> > > > south redondo to
> > > > the santa monica pier. I usually leave at
> > daybreak
> > > > (around 6:15 DST )
> > > > and return around 9:00am. I ride only week days
> > > and
> > > > I wondered who is
> > > > legally responsible for the path. Is it LA
> > County,
> > > > or the cities that
> > > > it goes thru. I am tired of having to go around
> > > > joggers, joggers with
> > > > dogs, walkers, double wide baby strollers etc. I
> > > > have fallen twice
> > > > already in the last 4 years and the entire bike
> > > path
> > > > clearly states
> > > > "bikes only". Except for Hermosa Beach. I have
> > > > written to the
> > > > Manhattan Beach city attorney and got no
> > response.
> > > > The worst offenders
> > > > are Redondo and Manhattan. Does anyone know who
> > I
> > > > can complain to, and
> > > > has anyone else had any similar problems??????
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Terry McIntyre &lt;terrymcintyre@...&gt;
> > >
> > > "Wherever is found what is called a paternal
> > > government, there is found state education. It has
> > > been discovered that the best way to insure
> > implicit
> > > obedience is to commence tyranny in the nursery."
> > >
> > > Benjamin Disraeli, Speech in the House of Commons
> > > [June 15, 1874]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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