Greetings,

Intro: I've been biking in and around Pawling since moving here in 1992. In the
80s I did
some long bike tours in the upper Midwest, Canada, New York, India, Sri Lanka,
Nepal,
Thailand, and Malaysia, and thinking about doing one in France next year for my
50th (!). For
the fun of it I recently started a bike log at
http://dutchessbikelog.blogspot.com/. I've done
lots of longer rides than the blog shows, but almost all on the east side of
Dutchess County
except for a foray or two to New Paltz.

Query: I'd like to do some rides from Pawling to Beacon (partially inspired by 
noticing a
Muddycup coffee shop there recently) and back, perhaps via Cold Spring one way
or the
other. I know that Rte 301 is a decent ride to Cold Spring, but I'm wondering if
there is a nice,
traffic-avoiding way to get to Beacon or at least Fishkill. Hills are fine but
I'd like to avoid Rte
52 and other trafficky roads if possible.

Thanks,

Al

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Mendelea wrote:
> No question, Glade hill road 1.90 mile, 12.7 % avg, Elevation gain
1259
> www.mendelea.com

I got to try Glade Hill Rd -- thanks to Mandelea's suggestion.

Not only it is a tough climb (I can believe it's the toughest around) --
  it also has some scenic sections -- and an interesting mix of
steepnesses and curves.

Too bad Glade Hill is so far out west -- but as Mandelea's route map
showed, there's some other climbs out there. Sugar Loaf was the
closest, so I went up and down that one first.

Ken

Its in Grahamsville

www.mendelea.com



xkenroberts wrote:
> Thanks, never heard of that one.
>
> Mendelea wrote:
>
>> No question, Glade hill road 1.90 mile, 12.7 % avg, Elevation gain
>>
> 1259
>
> Looks like that's also called Furmans Rd -- over in Sullivan county
> northwest from the Rondout Reservoir, a left turn off Sugarloaf Rd,
> then left on Moore Hill Rd and right on Denman Mt Rd. And I thought
> just Sugarloaf was a tough-enough climb.
>
> How kind of you to include it in your Catskills-Hill-Tour route.
> Actually just doing those four climbs in the southern section of that
> route looks like a pretty challenging 47 miles with around 5600-6000
> vertical feet of climbing. Hope I get out there soon to try some of
> those.
>
> Favorite? Looking back over the last couple of years, the climb I've
> actually done the most is Bear Mountain. Not real steep, but with
> some pretty views.
>
> Biggest on asphalt? The current candidate which Tom B just told me
> about is Ellenville up to Sams Point in southern Ulster county, about
> 1750 vertical feet. (? or can you climb on asphalt a little higher
> there ?)
>
> Ken
>
>
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Thanks, never heard of that one.

Mendelea wrote:
> No question, Glade hill road 1.90 mile, 12.7 % avg, Elevation gain
1259

Looks like that's also called Furmans Rd -- over in Sullivan county
northwest from the Rondout Reservoir, a left turn off Sugarloaf Rd,
then left on Moore Hill Rd and right on Denman Mt Rd. And I thought
just Sugarloaf was a tough-enough climb.

How kind of you to include it in your Catskills-Hill-Tour route.
Actually just doing those four climbs in the southern section of that
route looks like a pretty challenging 47 miles with around 5600-6000
vertical feet of climbing. Hope I get out there soon to try some of
those.

Favorite? Looking back over the last couple of years, the climb I've
actually done the most is Bear Mountain. Not real steep, but with
some pretty views.

Biggest on asphalt? The current candidate which Tom B just told me
about is Ellenville up to Sams Point in southern Ulster county, about
1750 vertical feet. (? or can you climb on asphalt a little higher
there ?)

Ken

No question, Glade hill road 1.90 mile, 12.7 % avg, Elevation gain 1259

www.mendelea.com



xkenroberts wrote:
> What's the toughest climb you know -- on paved roads in the Hudson
> valley south of Albany?
>
> What's the biggest climb? as in vertical difference between bottom
> and top elevations?
>
> What's your _favorite_ tough climb? The one you actually do the most.
>
> pat12601 wrote:
>
>> I always get a bit of a chukle when I hear the
>> comentators going on about one of the mountain
>> climbs of the Tour de France
>>
>
> I think you're right that some of our climbs in the Hudson valley are
> steeper than many of the climbs in the Tour de France, at least the
> ones in the Alps (I haven't tried the Pyrenees). Though I've heard
> sometimes other big Euro races, Giro d'Italia + Vuelta, have tougher
> climbs (e.g. Monte Zoncolan). I'd say if you can climb Platte Clove
> Rd twice, it's a pretty good bet you can climb the famous Alpe d'Huez
> road.
>
> The shortcoming of lots of climbs in the Hudson valley is that
> they're mostly in the trees, so they don't have views like these:
> http://roberts-1.com/t/b07/f/k/e
> http://roberts-1.com/t/b07/f/k/h
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
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What's the toughest climb you know -- on paved roads in the Hudson
valley south of Albany?

What's the biggest climb? as in vertical difference between bottom
and top elevations?

What's your _favorite_ tough climb? The one you actually do the most.

pat12601 wrote:
> I always get a bit of a chukle when I hear the
> comentators going on about one of the mountain
> climbs of the Tour de France

I think you're right that some of our climbs in the Hudson valley are
steeper than many of the climbs in the Tour de France, at least the
ones in the Alps (I haven't tried the Pyrenees). Though I've heard
sometimes other big Euro races, Giro d'Italia + Vuelta, have tougher
climbs (e.g. Monte Zoncolan). I'd say if you can climb Platte Clove
Rd twice, it's a pretty good bet you can climb the famous Alpe d'Huez
road.

The shortcoming of lots of climbs in the Hudson valley is that
they're mostly in the trees, so they don't have views like these:
http://roberts-1.com/t/b07/f/k/e
http://roberts-1.com/t/b07/f/k/h

Ken

Thanks a lot for your encouragement, Herb & Jerry -- and your careful
corrections. I just fixed those three places in the cue sheet
for "Hills and Horse Farms of NE Dutchess".

Herb <robinhoodroad@...> wrote:
> A few corrections to the cue sheet:
> 1. Milepost 30.0: Silver Mountain Road. There is no intersection at
32.0

How could I have missed that when I made up the cue sheet? Anyway
it's fixed now.

> 2. Milepost 38.9  Leavitt Rd
> There's no BR onto Fraleigh Hill Rd

OK, so now it's Straight onto Fraleigh. How smooth the dirt is
depends on how recently the road crews have smoothed it, and how
intense the rain storms have been since then. Glad it worked well for
you.

> 3. Milepost 53.0  Market Lane (North)
> The Prospect Hill Rd intersection is more of a 'Y'

Good point, I've been confused there myself.

I guess that demonstrates why it's good to bring a map -- and a brain
skilled in using it.

Ken

Yes u could measure elevation gain @ Bikely.com

www.mendelea.com



xkenroberts wrote:
>> Here is one for cyclist with a Catskill ride
>> including 15000' vertical
>> http://bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Catskills-Hill-Tour
>>
>
> Have you ridden it? I've never done 15000 vertical feet in a day.
>
> How did you find out it was 15000 vertical feet? Does the bikely.com
> website allow you to calculate that somehow?
>
> Looks like six major climbs on that route:
> 1) Platte Clove Rd
> 2) Peekamoose northeast side
> 3) Sugarloaf
> 4) something else near Sugarloaf
> 5) Peekamoose southwest side
> 6) Meads Mountain Rd
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
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*8 More Ways** to Map Your Ride*

We got lots of e-mail after issue No. 312's note about a course mapping
website called /runningmap.com <http://www.runningmap.com/>/. It's not
the only site that lets you design routes or measure roads ridden -- not
by a long shot -- and it sounds like it may not be the best.

If you're interested in an online way to calculate courses, check these
other sites too. We can't vouch for them, but these roadies do:

---http://www.toporoute.com <http://www.toporoute.com/> doesn't require
clicking multiple times to go around a curve. It has logic to follow the
road. For bike paths and shortcuts that aren't roads, it allows you to
"not follow the road." It also has an elevation feature. You can even
create a link to your route and e-mail it to friends. /-- Kurt J./

---http://www.bikely.com <http://www.bikely.com/> uses Google maps. It's
got some great features including an elevation chart. I've been using it
for years. -- /Cory B./

---http://www.mapmyride.com <http://www.mapmyride.com/> lets riders save
their routes and e-mail them to friends or post them on the Map My Ride
website for access by the internet community. This could be a good
source for finding a decent route when visiting an unfamiliar area. A
route can be uploaded to Google Earth to overlay it there. /-- Bob B./

/www.mapmyride.com/ has a "follow roads" option where you don't have to
put lots of points around curves to get accurate results. /-- Mike E./

---http://veloroutes.org <http://veloroutes.org/> offers GPX and Google
Earth export plus auto-routing, a feature that makes the route lines
"snap" to the road. /-- Matt M/., /veloroutes/ creator

---http://www.routeslip.com <http://www.routeslip.com/> has many routes
mapped out and also includes elevation profiles. /-- Tracy G./

---http://www.cyclistnexus.com <http://www.cyclistnexus.com/> is very
much a work in progress but there are some /awesome/ features. You can
track weekly mileage, favorite routes, weekly elevation gain and heart
rate info. Plus you can plan out events and group rides. Keep an eye on
it. /-- Tim A./

---http://maps.google.com <http://maps.google.com/>. I like Google maps.
They can automatically follow the corners for you. Google also gives
turn-by-turn written directions for those who are map-reading
challenged. Unfortunately the time estimates are off since it assumes
you will be traveling at the speed limit. It also doesn't give you an
elevation profile. Here's the route of a recent 78.5-km ride:
http://tinyurl.com/2exx6b /-- Michael N/.

---http://www.gmap-pedometer.com <http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/> can
use a hybrid view of satellite with street names. When your trusted
Cateye computer is on the fritz then you can count on this site to count
your miles. /-- Bob S/.

www.mendelea.com



xkenroberts wrote:
>> Here is one for cyclist with a Catskill ride
>> including 15000' vertical
>> http://bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Catskills-Hill-Tour
>>
>
> Have you ridden it? I've never done 15000 vertical feet in a day.
>
> How did you find out it was 15000 vertical feet? Does the bikely.com
> website allow you to calculate that somehow?
>
> Looks like six major climbs on that route:
> 1) Platte Clove Rd
> 2) Peekamoose northeast side
> 3) Sugarloaf
> 4) something else near Sugarloaf
> 5) Peekamoose southwest side
> 6) Meads Mountain Rd
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
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--- In bikemh@yahoogroups.com, xkenroberts <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> > Here is one for cyclist with a Catskill ride
> > including 15000' vertical
> > http://bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Catskills-Hill-Tour
> 1) Platte Clove Rd


reply from Kevin Newman - pat12601
whoa! Platte Clove Rd. the mother of all hills from hell in NY - this
is the one that was on that Tour de Trump bike race like 20 or so
years ago - this grade droped the pros - quite something

one does not have to go quite so far and to the above extreme for a
1500 foot climb - the ride up the'Gunks (Shawengunk) from downtown
New Palltz NY would be about that - downtown New Paltz is I think 400
ft. above sea level and the parking lot in Mennewaska State Park is I
think 1800 ft. so this climb would be near to that

one would go WEST on st. rt. 299 from New Paltz then a right onto US
rt. 44 / st. rt. 55 WEST after the steep switchback near the Mohonk
Preserve  levels out to a 'Colorado' grade - the climb to the park
entrance is not that extreme BUT that park road is a very close
second to Plate Clove Road - it is "only" 3/4 mi. thankfuly

and... while on the subject of uphills have you ever been to western
North Carolina? from downtown Asheville (2,000 ft.) to the top of Mt.
Mitchel (6,684 ft.) is a 4,684 ft. elevation gain

I always get a bit of a chukle when I hear the comentators going on
about one of the mountain climbs of the Tour de France

The name I used is the one used on the Roberts bike Hudson site.  I
don't know anything about the Rail to Trail to Falls ride.  i would
assume that they are not the same.

--- In bikemh@yahoogroups.com, "Avram Karel" <avram53@...> wrote:
>
> Jerry and Herb,   Is the name of this ride the "NE Dutchess ride"?
>    I'm getting ready to do the Rail to Trail to Falls ride....just
want to check to see if any of
> your corrections apply to my ride.  Thanks.
>
>    Ave
>
>
> --- In bikemh@yahoogroups.com, Iris & Herb <robinhoodroad@> wrote:
> >
> > We did your ride last Sunday, and, like all of the others of your
routes
> > we've tried, it was lovely.  The first 12 miles or so are freshly
paved,
> > and make for very smooth riding.
> > A few corrections to the cue sheet:
> > 1. Milepost 30.0: Silver Mountain Road. There is no intersection
at 32.0
> > to turn L on Charlie Hill Rd (s).  Luckily, we had a road map with us.
> > Cue sheet should read:
> > Silver Mountain Rd (long uphill).
> > T  L  0.4 East Center Rd (DC64)
> >    L  1.1  Charlie HIll Rd (south)
> >
> > 2. Milepost 38.9  Leavitt Rd
> > There's no BR onto Fraleigh Hill Rd
> > Actually, if you keep going on Leavitt Rd it becomes Fraleigh Hill
Rd
> > without you realizing it.
> > You might also want to put a note that though it's a dirt road, it is
> > pretty smooth and is rideable on road bikes.
> >
> > 3. Milepost 53.0  Market Lane (North)
> > The Prospect Hill Rd intersection is more of a 'Y', the streetsign
is at
> > and angle and, especially at the end of the ride, it's not clear
> > (without consulting a map) which way to go.
> > Cue sheet should read:
> > Pass Prospect Hill Rd on L, BR to stay on Market
> >
> > Once again, thanks for posting all the rides.  We've done several and
> > they've been great.
> > -Herb & Jerry
> >
>

Jerry and Herb,   Is the name of this ride the "NE Dutchess ride"?
    I'm getting ready to do the Rail to Trail to Falls ride....just want to check
to see if any of
your corrections apply to my ride.  Thanks.

    Ave


--- In bikemh@yahoogroups.com, Iris & Herb <robinhoodroad@...> wrote:
>
> We did your ride last Sunday, and, like all of the others of your routes
> we've tried, it was lovely.  The first 12 miles or so are freshly paved,
> and make for very smooth riding.
> A few corrections to the cue sheet:
> 1. Milepost 30.0: Silver Mountain Road. There is no intersection at 32.0
> to turn L on Charlie Hill Rd (s).  Luckily, we had a road map with us.
> Cue sheet should read:
> Silver Mountain Rd (long uphill).
> T  L  0.4 East Center Rd (DC64)
>    L  1.1  Charlie HIll Rd (south)
>
> 2. Milepost 38.9  Leavitt Rd
> There's no BR onto Fraleigh Hill Rd
> Actually, if you keep going on Leavitt Rd it becomes Fraleigh Hill Rd
> without you realizing it.
> You might also want to put a note that though it's a dirt road, it is
> pretty smooth and is rideable on road bikes.
>
> 3. Milepost 53.0  Market Lane (North)
> The Prospect Hill Rd intersection is more of a 'Y', the streetsign is at
> and angle and, especially at the end of the ride, it's not clear
> (without consulting a map) which way to go.
> Cue sheet should read:
> Pass Prospect Hill Rd on L, BR to stay on Market
>
> Once again, thanks for posting all the rides.  We've done several and
> they've been great.
> -Herb & Jerry
>

We did your ride last Sunday, and, like all of the others of your routes
we've tried, it was lovely.  The first 12 miles or so are freshly paved,
and make for very smooth riding.
A few corrections to the cue sheet:
1. Milepost 30.0: Silver Mountain Road. There is no intersection at 32.0
to turn L on Charlie Hill Rd (s).  Luckily, we had a road map with us.
Cue sheet should read:
Silver Mountain Rd (long uphill).
T  L  0.4 East Center Rd (DC64)
    L  1.1  Charlie HIll Rd (south)

2. Milepost 38.9  Leavitt Rd
There's no BR onto Fraleigh Hill Rd
Actually, if you keep going on Leavitt Rd it becomes Fraleigh Hill Rd
without you realizing it.
You might also want to put a note that though it's a dirt road, it is
pretty smooth and is rideable on road bikes.

3. Milepost 53.0  Market Lane (North)
The Prospect Hill Rd intersection is more of a 'Y', the streetsign is at
and angle and, especially at the end of the ride, it's not clear
(without consulting a map) which way to go.
Cue sheet should read:
Pass Prospect Hill Rd on L, BR to stay on Market

Once again, thanks for posting all the rides.  We've done several and
they've been great.
-Herb & Jerry

Garmin 305 GPS, read all about it @
http://www.northeastcycling.com/catskills_tour.htm
I did it in 2 day trips, Mendel

www.mendelea.com



xkenroberts wrote:
>> Here is one for cyclist with a Catskill ride
>> including 15000' vertical
>> http://bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Catskills-Hill-Tour
>>
>
> Have you ridden it? I've never done 15000 vertical feet in a day.
>
> How did you find out it was 15000 vertical feet? Does the bikely.com
> website allow you to calculate that somehow?
>
> Looks like six major climbs on that route:
> 1) Platte Clove Rd
> 2) Peekamoose northeast side
> 3) Sugarloaf
> 4) something else near Sugarloaf
> 5) Peekamoose southwest side
> 6) Meads Mountain Rd
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
>
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> Here is one for cyclist with a Catskill ride
> including 15000' vertical
> http://bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Catskills-Hill-Tour

Have you ridden it? I've never done 15000 vertical feet in a day.

How did you find out it was 15000 vertical feet? Does the bikely.com
website allow you to calculate that somehow?

Looks like six major climbs on that route:
1) Platte Clove Rd
2) Peekamoose northeast side
3) Sugarloaf
4) something else near Sugarloaf
5) Peekamoose southwest side
6) Meads Mountain Rd

Ken

Avram wrote
> I'm planning the above ride for October 24th with some
> local club members ...
> find out if we can still go through Ancramdale without
> hitting the bigger hills? Can we go up 22 from
> Millerton and then West to connect to the ride up to Ancramdale?

Makes sense to want to ride thru some nice (and hilly) farm country
while avoiding the bigger hills. I don't know much about your (and
your club's) approach to leading group rides -- and the Bike Hudson
Valley website routes were not designed to be used for group rides.

So I'm glad to hear that you're thinking about modifying the route
for your own purposes. I'm also glad that designing and sharing
routes has gotten a lot easier since I started putting them on the
web -- like Tom Ervolina points out -- maybe you can get some more
route ideas from other websites.

How hilly?  Usually the easiest way to figure that is to use topo map
software -- or to actually ride the route with some kind of altitude-
difference sensor/recorder.

Rt 22?  My memory is that the section north of Millerton in Dutchess
county did not have much of a shoulder, while the section between the
Columbia county southern border and Copake had a significantly wider
shoulder -- which influenced my design of Variation A of the Copake
Falls - Ancramdale route on Bike Hudson Valley - (which has some
ideas for roads thru Ancramdale less hilly than the 58-mile route).

> Would love to talk with you by phone at your convenience.

Sure, I much prefer talking to typing ... Send a phone number or two
and good times to call to this contact info:
http://roberts-1.com/b/c/07g

Ken

Here is one for cyclist with a Catskill ride including 15000' vertical
http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Catskills-Hill-Tour

www.mendelea.com



Tom Ervolina wrote:
>> How hilly would that be?
>>
>
> Hi folks, I wanted to share a pretty cool web-site that lets you map out
> routes.   It combines a route editor over a  google-map with topo data to
> generate an elevation profile of your ride.   You can build your own
> "lbrary" of routes and share with others.    Here's a link to one of my
> local dutchess county rides ...
> http://www.runstoppable.com/routeoverview.php5?route_id=1050044340    From
> here you can navigate the site and play around with it.
>
> Ok, it's meant for runners, but a route is a route.   Routes are derived
> from any number of way-points you may click on the map, (piece-wise
> linear).   this means you approximate the route.    It'd be better if it
> could recognize the roads and even generate cue-sheets.   But, it's still
> pretty slick anyway.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
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>How hilly would that be?

Hi folks, I wanted to share a pretty cool web-site that lets you map out
routes.   It combines a route editor over a  google-map with topo data to
generate an elevation profile of your ride.   You can build your own
"lbrary" of routes and share with others.    Here's a link to one of my
local dutchess county rides ...
http://www.runstoppable.com/routeoverview.php5?route_id=1050044340    From
here you can navigate the site and play around with it.

Ok, it's meant for runners, but a route is a route.   Routes are derived
from any number of way-points you may click on the map, (piece-wise
linear).   this means you approximate the route.    It'd be better if it
could recognize the roads and even generate cue-sheets.   But, it's still
pretty slick anyway.

Tom





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Ken and Sharon,

Thanks so much for your website and information!
I'm planning the above ride for October 24th with some local club members
(Westchester Cycle Club).   I'd like to use your A+B variations to make
the ride less hilly, but would like to find out if we can still go through
Ancramdale without
hitting the bigger hills?   Can we go up 22 from Millerton and then West to
connect to the
ride up to Ancramdale?   How hilly would that be?

Also, in case of problems on the ride, is cell phone service limited in that
area?
Does 911 work?

Would love to talk with you by phone at your convenience.
I am a relatively new rider (began in April) and have now logged 1400 miles
since then on my
heavy Fuji comfort/commuter bike and have begun to lead some C+ rides for our
club
(12.5-14 mph)

  Looking forward to your response.
  With appreciation,   Ave

Hello,

We are in need of volunteers for a triathlon this Sunday, Sept 16th.
The event begins at 7am at Bear Mountain, NY.

We are asking volunteers to help in the transition areas and along the
course to help the athletes through the race. We will provide food, a
free t-shirt, and a very heartfelt thank you!

For more information about the race you can visit:

http://www.triandduit.com/BearMtnTri.asp

If you are interested please respond to me or email info@...

Yours in sport,

Brian
Tri and Du It Multisport

Hi there,
I am gong to be visiting NY, Cornwall, and need a road bike with a triple
chainring for my girlfriend to ride while there.  She's 5'6" but has longer
torso/shorter legs so a 49cm traditional bike would fit....or a sloping top
tube 50-53cm may work? Does any one have a bike they aren't using that may
work for her?  Please help me out as this would be a great way for her to
see what the riding's like in the Hudson Valley.
Thanks for any help in this issue.
Gerry Stowe

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Hi...I'm gonna be visiting Cornwall and while there would love to
borrow a 49cm road bike with triple chainrings for my girlfriend. Her
standover heigh is 28.5" without shoes on.  Any help you can provide
will be appreciated.  Please let me know who may have a spare bike
sitting in their garage and would be willing to loan it out.  Gerry

Sharon and I rode Albany-NYC last year, and we liked it so much that
this year we turned it around and rode from NYC to Albany just six weeks
ago. We liked that even better. Here's my report from this year
<http://www.roberts-1.com/bikehudson/v/nyc_albany/main/reports/kenr_june\
-2007.htm>   + Albany-NYC last year
<http://www.roberts-1.com/bikehudson/v/nyc_albany/main/reports/kenr_june\
-2006.htm> .

you wrote:
I assumed I would try to get a couple of pannier bags and a small tent
and just ride down the river.

I don't know much about camping in the Hudson valley, because we didn't
do that. There are some campgrounds, but I never tried to see which ones
fit with bicycle routes.

I suggest not just guessing some roads. Here's my ideas
<http://www.roberts-1.com/bikehudson/r/nyc_albany/index.htm>  about a
route between NYC and Albany which visits some interesting towns and
pretty views with some interesting riding. Not sure if it fits your
style of riding, but we've had fun riding lots of sections of it lots of
times. Another route to consider is NY state Bicycle Route 9 -- often
simpler than my ideas, often with signs to follow -- but sometimes lots
more vehicle traffic and misses some beautiful riding.

you asked:
Is there a good paved trail network?

Not for anything like the whole distance between Albany and NYC.  And
where trailways could fill some significant sections, they're a long way
from the Hudson river -- and less pretty + interesting than some of the
corresponding road sections of my ideas or NY Bike Rt 9.

you wrote:
This is my first long ride.

Then I'd suggest first reading a book about how to do it -- I know
there's several but I haven't kept up on them -- and check for resources
on Adventure Cycling or other websites. For some valuable tips +
strategies for handling the risks + problems of riding out on the public
roads, you could try this list of resources
<http://www.roberts-1.com/bikehudson/s/m/resources/index.htm#books> .

If we know more specifics about your dates and route, maybe Sharon and I
could meet you  along the way and ride along for a few miles. If you
might be interested, by all means send us a message using this contact
info <http://www.roberts-1.com/b/c/07g/index.htm>  .

Hope you get good weather.

Ken





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Hi all,
I am planning an Albany-NYC ride in August sometime between the 16th
and the 22nd.
A friend is storing my bike in Albany while I get a new apartment in
New York. I will need to get it tuned up in Albany before leaving.
Anyone know a good bike shop there that's reasonable?
This is my first long ride. Any pointers would be a big help.
I assumed I would try to get a couple of pannier bags and a small tent
and just ride down the river.
Is there a good paved trail network?
Thanks in advance for your help.
-Paul

thanks pat a lot, routes sound interesting and i'll get there when i
arrive!

--- In bikemh@yahoogroups.com, many_1128 <many_1128@...> wrote:
>
> hi, all,
>
>   I am a lady from Hong Kong. I will visit New York at the end of
July. This is my first visit to US and I like cycling very much. I
searched long for a country-feel cycling trip and found your group,
bikemh. I will bring along with a folding bike and really hope to
have trips at hudson valley. May I contact anyone of you for further
details after my arrival? I will stay on Staten Island and my trip
last for almost a month.
>
>   Looking forward hearing you.
>
>   Smiles
>   many
>
>
>
> Take the risk, take the chance.
>
> Be brave to do. Be brave - Be You!!
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
> Check out fitting  gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
>
>

since you will be in NYC you should get a bike permit from MTA Metro
North RR for US $5.00 - permits are available in Grand Central
Terminal/station - the main commuter station and interesting
destination NYC point of interest

from there you could take the Harlem line to station stop Wassaic and
then you could ride the Harlem Valley Rail Trail for a beautiful flat
ride to Millerton NY - all here in eastern Dutchess county NY - or
you could take the Hudson line up to here in Poughkeepsie NY for a
ride on streets and roadways - the NY state bike route 9 pass through
Poughkeepsie and also Adventure Cycling's Atlantic Coast Route

hi, all,

   I am a lady from Hong Kong. I will visit New York at the end of July. This is
my first visit to US and I like cycling very much. I searched long for a
country-feel cycling trip and found your group, bikemh. I will bring along with
a folding bike and really hope to have trips at hudson valley. May I contact
anyone of you for further details after my arrival? I will stay on Staten Island
and my trip last for almost a month.

   Looking forward hearing you.

   Smiles
   many



Take the risk, take the chance.

Be brave to do. Be brave - Be You!!



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Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
Check out fitting  gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.

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thanks so much for your reply!

--- In bikemh@yahoogroups.com, xkenroberts <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> I'd start with the "cue sheets" page on the Orange County Bicycle Club
> website. Links to that and other info are on this page:
> http://roberts-1.com/bikehudson/r/p/w/o/orange_county
>
> "Aric" <aric@> wrote:
> > We'd like to try to avoid a lot of traffic
> > if at all possible.
>
> Orange county is not the obvious place for that, but last Sunday we did
> find some quiter roads out west of Middletown. Sharon and I have also
> enoyed riding some roads between Goshen and Montgomery (or further to
> Walden if need more miles) -- I think out-and-back on those roads would
> be my first choice. The link from that page above for "Resources ...
> North-South" has more detail.
>
> Another idea is the Orange Heritage trailway (also linked from that
> page) which is near Monroe and mostly off-road. The problem is that
> there could be lots of walkers, skaters, and slow riders on it, which
> might not be compatible with you flying along for your triathlon
> training. The other is that the trailway crosses several roads with
> significant vehicle traffic.
>
> Ken
>

Would love to find riding partner/s for ridding the Grahamsville
hills on Friday and Sunday's am July 1- Aug 31.
I have the done the following ride from the town of Woodbourne.
42N towards Grahamsville, right on 55 to 55a, up Yagersville and left
to Sundown left to Sugarloaf/Glade and down via Moore to 55 and back
to Woodbourne via back roads.
Climbs in route:
Yagerville Rd – 55A to crest 3.37 1060' 6.0%
Sugarloaf/Red Hill Rd – to crest Red Hill 4.12 1600' 7.4%
Glade Hill Rd 1.90 1259' 12.5%
Moore Hill Road – start of climb to flattens 2.3 1117' 9.2%
Distance aprox. 50-65 miles pending on how many climbs we do.
Maybe in once we do Grand Tour with all 4 climbs.
Map of area links below
http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&z=13&ll=41.85716,-
74.457436&spn=0.092695,0.131664&om=1
http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&z=13&ll=41.903682,-
74.505501&spn=0.092627,0.131664&om=1

About myself:
I am an avid cyclist since 1986 with yearly totals ranging 10-14000.
Gave up racing many years ago but do like a fast paced "A" ride with
good ride discipline.
I train weekdays in Prospect Park, Brooklyn, NY and ride upstate on
Weekends. I have been riding for 15 years in the Catskills July Aug ,
have bumped into some riders but nothing organized. Hard to push
yourself when riding alone, Love the hills, and looking for company.
Contact via email mendelea@... or 917 328 7600
Mendel