So if you honestly want to add "an intensity level and excitement that has been missing from our games", I'd suggest going back to the old scoring method. Reall, from my perspective, it lost a lot of that when it went to rally scoring.
Just goes to show you what a committee can do if they really put their heart into it. Who was asking for these changes and why? Can't they just leave the game alone for a while?
The NCAA Women's Volleyball Rules Committee proposed a scoring format that will change the winning score for games one through four from 30 points to 25 points, which will be more consistent with national and international match formats.
All rules change proposals must be approved by the NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Panel (PROP), which will review all recommendations at its next meeting February 27. The 25-point format is used in all rule codes, including the National Federation of State High Schools. The fifth set, if necessary, will still be to 15 points.
"The 25-point sets will add an intensity and excitement level to our matches that has been missing," said Marcia Alterman, the committee's secretary-rules editor. "I believe that players, coaches and fans will agree that the critical nature of every point will emphasize the need for focus and consistency to every play."
In addition, the committee recommended changing the term game to set and reducing substitutions from 15 to 12, primarily because of the change to 25-point sets. The format for media timeouts will remain the same.
Additionally, a new ball handling directive, which guides officials to be less severe when judging second team contacts, was proposed. The committee envisions that this directive will not only increase consistency in officiating calls, but also assist the growth of the game by no longer punishing extraordinary and highly athletic plays.
"There has been a demand for more consistency regarding the referees' ball handling decisions for several years across all divisions as well as regions of the country," said Kerry Carr, chair of the committee and head women's volleyball coach at the University of Pennsylvania. "I think the game will benefit from a decrease in the whistles that stop a rally due to a marginal infraction on ball handling, especially when there's been a great athletic attempt to keep the ball alive."
The committee, comprised of Divisions I, II and III coaches and administrators, gave the topic of event management and facility expectations serious consideration. After much discussion, the group recommended adding preferred facility specifications to the NCAA WOMEN'S VOLLEYBALL RULES AND INTERPRETATIONS. In addition, Rule 1.1 was changed to state that all playable areas must be visible to team members and officials.
The committee also reviewed various types of net systems available, which are becoming more diverse, as manufacturers seek alternatives for facilities that cannot accommodate the traditional sleeve system. The committee will continue to research minimal net and pole requirements that maintain the integrity of the game while providing choices for various facilities.
As technology continues to impact volleyball, the committee is monitoring methods used to gather data during a match and broadcast matches to the public. The committee began discussions on the use of instant replay and its impact on volleyball.
A recommendation from the NCAA Division I Women's Volleyball Committee was reviewed to amend Rule 18 to include an option for relocating the first referee to the bench side of the net for the NCAA championships. ESPN has made this request to enhance the television production of the championship. No action was taken on the request at this time, but continued research and consideration are planned in the near future.
The volleyball rules book was slated to move to a two-year cycle starting with the 2009 publication. The committee is forwarding a request to PROP to start its two-year cycle with the 2010 book. This will provide a better cycle to consider those rule changes made by Federation of International Volleyball (FIVB) after the 2008 Beijing Olympics.
Just goes to show you what a committee can do if they really put their heart into it. Who was asking for these changes and why? Can't they just leave the game...
So if you honestly want to add "an intensity level and excitement that has been missing from our games", I'd suggest going back to the old scoring method....
These propositions come from the NCAA coaches. My guess is that they want to see the rules become closer to each other. No, they can't leave the rules alone....
Hey, Kate Price managed to not worry about the "rule" and dove into the crowd for a save as did the setter for one of the other visiting teams the night...
Just like LPs and phones tied to the wall by a cord, side-out scoring dates you. We were playing pickup the other night and my crowd of 20 somethings to 50...
Chris Palma
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Feb 7, 2008 9:58 pm
... This is a silly statement, because they said exactly the same thing when rally to 30 was instituted. I don't have a problem with this change (as they note,...
... What it will do is make matches 15-30 minutes shorter, and ... One could argue - but it won't be me - that it will make _game_ upsets more prevalent, which...
Reducing the victory total to 25 (instead of 30) will indeed have a small but measureable effect - it's been studied via VBSIM - on upsets both at the set and...
I don't think the scoring system should or shouldn't be counted on to make the game exciting or not. It is the teams that make the games exciting. PSU /...
Chris Palma
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Feb 7, 2008 10:38 pm
Do you see baseball deciding to make their games more exciting Yes, we have seen baseball deciding to make their games more 'exciting' - they arbitrarily put...
Subs are handled when R1 is on the bench side via a 'bench' referee, i.e. a third referee whose only duty is to control the benches, much as the R2 would...
... The NCAA wants to set up the officials as they do for the Men's Final Four matches with a third referee sitting down by the first referee to take care of...
... There is a certain degree of truth to this, but volleyball doesn't have the same kind of pop culture status that basketball has. I would guess a much...
Apparently, these rule changes are now official. Once again, the fans of the game are shown just how unimportant we are. I'm really tired of this. Time to find...
Maybe it's time to do something about it -- I'm sure it will be ultimately futile, but I'd sign a petition or write a letter to the governing bodies to say...
Chris Palma
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Feb 29, 2008 3:31 am
There are no doubt many different viewpoints, but I don't think anyone would vote for less volleyball. Except, that is, the people who get to make the...
One important thing that has been mentioned is that exciting volleyball matches come from good teams playing another. Penn St vs Albany is not going to be...
If the format is RPS-30, and there is a 'mercy rule' that says 25-15 (or worse) is considered victory, VBSIM shows it prevents 1 comeback to victory every 843...
... (or ... Did you also include 26 - 16, 27 - 17, 28 - 18, and 29 - 19? These would all qualify, as well. However, they are less likely comebacks than 25 -...
Pablo, I did not include 10-point deltas beyond 25, no. When I do, it takes the number down to 702. This was between two evenly matched teams; I simulated...
... it ... matches, ... matches, ... match has ... While ... How do you get 4 comebacks? The Big Ten season is 110 matches, and at 4.25 games, that would be...
Sorry Pablo, thinking faster than typing, meant to say NCAA season, not Big Ten season. Changing to 51-49 sends the number way up - 1 in roughly 3,000. ...
50.5-49.5 is 1 in 1,275 From: bigtenvb@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bigtenvb@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:30 AM To:...
... So that's < 3.5/year on average in D1, and < 3.8 on average in D3. Now here's the question we haven't asked: how much will it shorten the sets? How often...
1/700 in which a team has the 10-point lead From: bigtenvb@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bigtenvb@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008...
... So how often does that happen (the team gets a 10 point lead) between teams of equal strength? If it occurs in 1/4 sets, then we are down to 1 set comeback...
Between teams at equal strength in women's D-I, the 10-point lead with 5 or less to victory, i.e. 25-15 or beyond, not before (e.g. a 10-0 or 15-5 lead) occurs...
... with 5 ... ratio ... 71 ... That's a function of side out percentage, I guess, right? If such a lead only happens in 1/32 sets, and the comeback only ...
If the game is called because of point separation who loses? Fans? Subs?? Is it really that boring to sit through another 5 or 10 points? Weren't we just...