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Re: Future direction of bicycling advocacy?

--- In bicyclingadvocacy@yahoogroups.com, "Robert J. Matter" wrote:
> A WOL is improved with a BL.

So, segregation of public facilities is back in fashion? Well then,
what's next after the roads? Painted lines that separate people by
class in buses? Trains? How about planes? Remember that the sky isn't
the limit any more. That international space station is up there just
waiting for a nice, solid, comforting, "show everyone where their
place is" line to separate the astronauts and the cosmonauts.

> ... ***gers would drive all over the road, from the curb to the
center lane.

Darn those ***gers! Oh wait, I travel from the curb to the center
almost every time that I turn left. Guess that makes me (and most
everyone else who turns left) a you know what.

"We have met the ***gers, and they are us!" (apologies to Pogo fans)

Bruce "lefty" Rosar




Sat Oct 2, 2004 3:46 am

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... Yes, that's what they say out of one side of their mouths, when they're being honest and communicating with other bicycling advocates. But how many...
Serge
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Oct 7, 2004
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... So, segregation of public facilities is back in fashion? Well then, what's next after the roads? Painted lines that separate people by class in buses?...
Bruce Rosar
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Oct 2, 2004
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... I spoke with a friend of mine a couple days ago who is a HVAC (Heating Ventilating & Air Conditioning) repairman for a major contractor servicing large...
Robert J. Matter
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Oct 9, 2004
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Let me start off by introducing myself to the list. I've been a lurker here since I started bicycle commuting in June. I commute by bicycle because of my...
Nathan Klatt
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Oct 12, 2004
12:36 am

Hello ljserge@..., In reference to your comment: è But yes and no ultimately means no - which justifies è banning cycling on these roads if there are...
crkjlaw@...
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Oct 2, 2004
4:45 am

... Where the rubber hits the road, most states support the NIMBY-like "bandwagon" I label NIMTL (Not In Most Travel Lanes). ... There are other ways to...
Bruce Rosar
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Oct 2, 2004
7:43 am

... Unfortunately this seems to be true. I had dinner last night with a friend of mine I hadn't seen in a while. She used to be a bike commuter. I was...
RIIN GILL
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Oct 2, 2004
12:57 pm

... commuter. ... getting ... ride on ... warmer ... over ... Obviously, I don't know your friend. But from you description she seems to be what I will call...
Serge
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Oct 2, 2004
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... commuter. ... getting ... ride on ... warmer ... over ... Obviously, I don't know your friend. But from you description she seems to be what I will call...
SHYRLEY WILLIAMS
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Oct 3, 2004
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... For the sake of discussion, let's drop the "probably" and assume I am right: that with a few hours of study/training the majority who is currently...
Serge
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Oct 3, 2004
7:50 pm

Shyrley... I recommend that you disregard Serge's recent 'advice' on traffic and 'gap cyclists.' That's right, it is just dat ole debbil inferiority, that...
w. r. niere
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Oct 4, 2004
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"w. r. niere" <tcl1@...> wrote: Shyrley... I recommend that you disregard Serge's recent 'advice' on traffic and 'gap cyclists.' That's right, it is...
SHYRLEY WILLIAMS
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Oct 4, 2004
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What advice? Did I say anyone felt inferior to anyone? Can anyone address anything I actually said in the last couple of days? You know, like actually read...
Serge
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Oct 4, 2004
5:59 pm

... Serge, so much of what you say is wrong it is too time consuming to refute it all. I'll just give one example. In your "gap cyclist" rant dated 10/3/2004...
Robert J. Matter
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Oct 4, 2004
7:14 pm

... Fair enough. I will note that Ranj ignored everything I said but had the time to go off on some tangential rant about "EC". ... Thanks for pointing that...
Serge
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Oct 4, 2004
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... I don't know how extensive San Diego's off-road path network is. In Chicago and NW Indiana significant portions of many trips can be done on bike paths. Of...
Robert J. Matter
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Oct 4, 2004
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... Are you classifying any bicycle riding that is on a street without bike lanes as "vehicular cycling"? That would be odd. I would say that the only...
Serge
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Oct 5, 2004
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My apology for my loss of temper. I am a bit under the weather at the moment, and I will compile some of the most pertinent exemplum tomorrow, first thing. ...
w. r. niere
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Oct 4, 2004
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I don't have a side in this agrument, but I am interested in knowing if this statistic is right. 41,000 cycling deaths per year in the u.s. seems like a lot....
dblucker@...
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Oct 4, 2004
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I think thats motor vehicles. Shyrley dblucker@... wrote: I don't have a side in this agrument, but I am interested in knowing if this statistic is...
SHYRLEY WILLIAMS
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For 2003 the total number of road fatalities was 42,643 with pedalcyclists making up 622. Michael Plakus _____ From: dblucker@......
Michael Plakus
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Oct 4, 2004
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If I recall right, about a third of the pedalcyclist deaths are children. Regardless, the number of cyclist's deaths is relatively low. It's a fairly safe...
Edward J. Wagner Jr.
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Oct 4, 2004
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============================================================ From: "Michael Plakus" <mplakus@...> For 2003 the total number of road fatalities was 42,643...
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... passively ... powers ... What makes you think I assume that??? ... at least ... Then why are cyclists segregated/limited to a narrow section "as close as...
Serge
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Oct 2, 2004
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Bruce and Serge< We have a fundimental difference of opinion here which appears to be totally unbridgable. At best, we can only agree to disagree. Chris Law ...
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Oct 2, 2004
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Hello Riin, In reference to your comment: è She wants bike lanes. I wasn't really sure what to say è to her. Bike lanes are like any other lane striping,...
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Oct 2, 2004
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... moment, and I will compile some of the most pertinent exemplum tomorrow, first thing. Ranj >>>> Ranj, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't paint all us EC's...
Lauren Cooper
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Oct 7, 2004
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... I see. And these two ways are relevant to my argument, how? I don't believe that my argument relies on the assumption that any claims about anything are...
Serge
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Oct 8, 2004
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... Maybe drivers are better educated where you live. Here drivers' ed is a joke. I see drivers do idiotic things all the time that prompt me to say "Where'd...
RIIN GILL
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Oct 8, 2004
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... This has been happening to me a lot more than usual lately, particularly on Kings Road... probably motorists, encouraged by the brand new pavement, wanting...
John A. Ardelli
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Dec 22, 2004
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