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Re: Re: [bicyclingadvocacy] For Bicyclists, a Widening Patchwork World - U.S. Lags Behind Two-Wheeled Boom



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From Kimberly Cooper:



In another words, the bicycling education in the Netherlands is better than in
the USA. In the Netherlands, drivers are educated to be aware of and safe
toward bicyclists. 


I didn't say anything about bicycling education in the Netherlands - I know
nothing about it.  I just note that there is a difference in the attitude of
motorists in how they treat cyclists.  Education may be a part of this, it may
also be because of different laws (I believe that in the event of a bicycle/auto
crash in the Netherlands, the presumption of fault falls on the motorist), or of
different enforcement.  It may also be a dynamic because since cycling is so
widespread in the Netherlands, motorists are more likely to identify with
cyclists than they are here in the US.   This is all speculation - the only
thing that I know is that there is a difference in the behaviour of motorists in
the Netherlands vs the US, and that I believe that this would have as great or
greater impact on accident rates than would the infrastructure.






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Front page (A1) article in today's Washington Post. The Post has been running a number of cycling related articles, published an editorial two days ago related...
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Aug 31, 2008
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... Pucher's "studies" have been discussed here in the past, so you can check those discussions out if you like. ... But within those countries the less safe...
Kenneth O'Brien
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Aug 31, 2008
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... Sorry, I missed this was bicycleadvocacy list and not chainguard list. Chainguard is list where more Pucher discussion took place, if you want to check...
Kenneth O'Brien
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Aug 31, 2008
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Ken - Thank you for the reference to the other list. I will see what else others have said about the study(s) being referenced. Cause and effect is very hard...
Jon Morrison
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Sep 1, 2008
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... No, don't take it that way. That is not what I mean. ... In cases when a roadway is the only improvement along the public corridor, that is what I mean...
Kenneth O'Brien
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Sep 1, 2008
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... The most recent spike in bicycling activity and _buzz_ about bicycling has been _followed_ by all the louder noise about facilities. I have been riding and...
Kenneth O'Brien
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Jon An observation - I live in the US, and commute to/from work, 30 miles RT per day on a bicycle.  I also travel quite a bit as a part of my work, and my...
Sauerwald Mark
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... BTW Safety measures are primarily an intersection and crossing behavior issue. The _safety_ of good bicyclist lane positioning will have little to do with...
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===================== From: Sauerwald Mark <mark_sauerwald@...> Jon An observation - I live in the US, and commute to/from work, 30 miles RT per day on a...
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============ ===== From Kimberly Cooper: In another words, the bicycling education in the Netherlands is better than in the USA. In the Netherlands, drivers...
Sauerwald Mark
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Sep 1, 2008
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... While I have seen references to laws being *considered* to change the liability assumptions. I haven't seen evidence they were *passed* and at least one...
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Check out this video of the most amazing bike parking system I have ever seen: ...
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It's out of I, Robot or some SciFi movie!  It's absolutely fabulous. www.connecticutratterriers.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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