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Re: Missouri Bicycle Federation

--- In bicyclingadvocacy@yahoogroups.com, "S. W. H."
<steamer422001@...> wrote:
>
> Bicyclists--are you completely happy with the quality of Missouri
roads
> and trails? Are Missouri drivers the friendliest in thecountry? If you
> don't think so, you *need* to be a member . . .
>
> http://mobikefed.org
>
I was born and raised in St. Louis. I moved to Colorado when I was in
my mid-30s. I revisited the St. Louis area recently, and I rode a
folding bicycle for the entire 3 weeks. I was carrying the bike on and
off the Light Rail and buses. Overall, I thought drivers were fairly
courteous. The cycling facilities weren't great. There were very few
bike racks, and most roads do NOT have bike lanes, although I did ride
the Broadway bike lane quite a lot. I did take the opportunity to ride
the new trail across the Page Bridge over the Missouri River, in the
dedicated bicycle lane. That was cool. I then rode for a while on the
conncecting Katy trail. Overall, it was a nice experience. Keep up
the good work!
Jim Gagnepain
www.OilFreeandHappy.com




Sun Oct 7, 2007 5:23 am

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Bicyclists--are you completely happy with the quality of Missouri roads and trails? Are Missouri drivers the friendliest in thecountry? If you don't think so,...
S. W. H.
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Sep 21, 2007
1:30 am

... roads ... I was born and raised in St. Louis. I moved to Colorado when I was in my mid-30s. I revisited the St. Louis area recently, and I rode a folding...
Jim Gagnepain
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Oct 7, 2007
5:23 am

... Something was wrong with the public roadways there? What was wrong with them? Poor surface conditions? Poor surface conditions is something that impacts ...
Kenneth O'Brien
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Oct 7, 2007
2:59 pm

... Call it a shoulder. Call it a bike-lane. I find them extremely useful when riding on busy highways or busy rural roads, such as my commute to work. ...
Jim Gagnepain
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Oct 7, 2007
3:46 pm

... I rarely to never ride in shoulder space even when it exists. Riding in shoulder space would expose me to inferior surface conditions and inferior behavior...
Kenneth O'Brien
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Oct 7, 2007
4:31 pm

To each his own. On roads where the speed limit is 50MPH, and cars are mostly travelling at 60 MPH, I find it much less stressful to be in the Bike Lane or on...
Jim Gagnepain
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Oct 9, 2007
9:53 pm

I find it much less stressful and safer to not have to so carefully scan for and evaluate the approach to each and every intersection - followed by the ...
Kenneth O'Brien
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Oct 9, 2007
10:35 pm

Ken, 1. I'm not talking about intersections. Intersections require special care and alertness regardless of the lane configuration. 2. If you want to ride out...
Jim Gagnepain
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Oct 10, 2007
4:48 am

... I _am_ talking about intersections. I explained why that is the major reason I tend to stay in the traffic lane. A secondary reason is the surface...
Kenneth O'Brien
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Oct 10, 2007
10:39 am

Most of the streets in Fort Collins have wide outside or curb lanes that can adequately accommodate motorists and bicyclists. There is little reason, if any,...
Michael Bohler
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Oct 11, 2007
3:01 pm

I read this a few days ago, and have been thinking about it. Finally, I realized that in some ways I agree, and in some I disagree. I agree that Bicycle Lanes...
Jim Gagnepain
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Oct 24, 2007
2:59 am

... That guideline (class based positioning) interferes with a basic principle of vehicular operation (destination based positioning). One of the primary...
Bruce Rosar
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Oct 24, 2007
6:28 am

I guess you can always find some study that reinforces your opinion. Here's mine: http://www.cambridgema.gov/~CDD/et/bike/bike_safety.html "Bike lanes help...
Jim Gagnepain
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Oct 25, 2007
4:14 am

I read a study that showed that in the absence of a bike lane, cars usually gave more than enough space to cyclists and encroached on the left lane (or...
Ruhlen, Rachel L.
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Oct 25, 2007
2:11 pm

... The study measured the bare number of distance without context to the existing situation on the roadway, and without relating it to any meaningful safety...
Kenneth OBrien
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Oct 25, 2007
2:27 pm

... I would interpret this as saying that with a bike lane painted in the road, motorists do not need to think about where to drive. I would contend that it...
Sauerwald Mark
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Oct 25, 2007
3:22 pm

... You may be thinking of this study: http://www.enhancements.org/download/trb/1578-14.PDF Read it carefully, and if you don't see the flaws in it, read this...
Kat Iverson
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Oct 25, 2007
3:33 pm

... The definition of space made by bikelanes runs counter to good sense. ... If it decreases their level of stress about something they should not have been...
Kenneth O'Brien
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Oct 25, 2007
2:33 pm

... http://www.cambridgema.gov/~CDD/et/bike/bike_safety.html ... I would question the value of lowering stress levels. One very effective way of reducing...
Sauerwald Mark
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Oct 25, 2007
3:33 pm

... Children have a preference for candy. Alchoholics have a preference for alchohol. That doesn't mean we should give these things to them. There are...
Kat Iverson
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Oct 25, 2007
4:07 pm

... FYI: Almost all the adults that I've met who've told me that they feel very uncomfortable about driving a pedal vehicle in traffic got to the meeting by...
Bruce Rosar
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Oct 25, 2007
5:51 pm

... How? Not for safety, certainly. You know you have zero basis for that claim, yes? ... If it is an easily enforced rule that runs counter to fundamentals of...
Kenneth O'Brien
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Oct 24, 2007
11:01 am

... convenience. ... the ... police ... bike ... officer ... a ... That's part of the problem – the police are too stupid (untrained) to know that there may...
Michael Bohler
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Oct 25, 2007
7:43 pm

... It's been a while since I read the postings on this site The discussion remains the same, but with some new players. On bike lanes and road paint I'd say. ...
thomas_d_church
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Oct 26, 2007
1:27 am

... It would be a mistake for bicyclist to throw themselves into the widen-roadway advocacy camp. It is not our cause. In general, it is a bad cause. ... ...
Kenneth O'Brien
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Oct 26, 2007
2:43 am

... It is also a mistake to throw yourself into the anti widen-roadway advocacy camp. That is also not our cause. During the past six months, I've cycled...
mike_in_fort_collins
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Oct 26, 2007
4:04 am

... OK. That is fine. But I say both my statement and your statement should apply to bicyclist advocacy efforts... Yet the rest of your email below violates my...
Kenneth O'Brien
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Oct 26, 2007
10:51 am

In addition, if there is to be any bicyclist advocacy effort associated with some _other_ group or group of individuals advocating to widen a roadway, the...
Kenneth O'Brien
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Oct 26, 2007
11:53 am

... I agree, and disagree with Ken here. If a road is wide enough to accommodate a motor vehicle, then it is plenty wide to accommodate my bicycle. Wider...
Sauerwald Mark
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Oct 26, 2007
12:43 pm

... Ditto to all Mikes comments. The usefulness of road paint is debatable but having a shoulder should not be. Any well traveled road, where cars are likely...
thomas_d_church
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Oct 27, 2007
10:37 pm
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