Re: [bicyclingadvocacy] Re: Bill protecting cyclists passes
>Why focus on bikes as good health advocates? Because it is the nature
>of this transportation choice that increases good health, whereas the
>most popular choice of transportation in America does nothing for
>health. In fact, good arguments can be made that it worsens health.
Cycling is healthy - agreed.
Motoring isn't healthy - OK. At least you can't kill someone else
while sitting at your desk all day or watching TV all evening.
Is bicycling the best way to advocate for good health? Maybe not.
My wife doesn't ride a bike (she dances) and she's in better health
than I am. My daughter bikes _and_ dances and is in better health
still. My son doesn't bike or dance these days and he's pretty
healthy. (I know, anecdotes)
>Other parts of the world understand cyclings importance to health and
>transportation and rely more on cycling for their transportation and
>health benefits and enjoy the results of it
OK, I'll bite. What parts of the world understand cycling's importance
to health and rely on it for their health benefits? The dutch? The
chinese? I doubt that the general reason those folks hop on a bike
is "for their health" but I could be wrong.
Why focus on bikes as good health advocates? Because it is the nature of this transportation choice that increases good health, whereas the most popular choice...
... Cycling is healthy - agreed. Motoring isn't healthy - OK. At least you can't kill someone else while sitting at your desk all day or watching TV all...
bob.bayn@...
Jul 1, 2007 10:18 pm
I'd say there are all kinds of reasons Europeans and Asians choose to ride bicycles far more often than North Americans and it can't be denied their health is...
... OK, I won't get sidetracked by any discussion of the relative benefits of european-style urban utility cycling and a similar argument that their diet is...
bob.bayn@...
Jul 2, 2007 3:30 pm
I wouldn't say that cycling is the only or even best way to become more healthy and reduce premature disease or death, it's just *a* way and one that could be...
There may be better ways to exercise, you can't ignore diet, and cycling doesn't provide weight-bearing exercise for the bones, but it has a huge advantage of...
here's a report that recognizes the benefits to health from cycling and includes it in factors determining "value" in transportation investment Cycling is...
... it? ... least ... to ... the ... In all the years I've been a bike addict, I can count the number of people I've convinced to take up cycling on my...
... Much the way our former group owner ended up being an anti-car advocate. She wasn't so much SCARED into abandoning cycling as she was "bullied" into it...
Darn, I wish I could have crossed paths with Riin. I tried to once while she was in Ann Arbor and I was visiting Michigan relatives. And I wish I could have...
bob.bayn@...
Aug 16, 2007 11:54 pm
... I doubt it. As she says in #97 of her "100 Things About Me" on her blog: "I really [don]’t want to leave Ann Arbor. After living here for 19 years,...
... Besides the wide roads Utah is very sparse with low population density and unique cultural characteristics, i.e. homogenous white middle class nuclear...
... Your first point is false. Utah is the 8the most urban state in the nation. There's lots of "empty" federal land that is leased as range-land with a...
bob.bayn@...
Aug 17, 2007 2:38 pm
Utah sounds a lot like Colorado! There is one major difference that I've noticed in the West. We've generally got more open land available, so that often...
Here in Utah, we had wide lanes before bike lanes were thought up (either as a strategy to get wider lanes or as a strategy to get bicyclists out of the way). ...
bob.bayn@...
Aug 21, 2007 3:23 am
... Bike lanes make wide marked lanes narrower. As for strategy; Michael Farrell (Transportation Planner II, MWCOG) stated in the Association of Pedestrian and...
... The point of course is that we don't have to engage in that debate or pick one side over the other. Everyone can advocate for his or her preferred mode of...
... On at least one point this is not at all possible: the all but universal mischaracterization of roadway bicycling safety by groups advocating for paths....
... I really don't know what bike path advocates say about cycling on roads as far as being unsafe and unpleasant. My own view is that I feel like I can have a...
... At outrageous expense. At the cost of degrading the experience of pedestrian-dedicated recreation facilities. These facilities will still have to intersect...
... Clearly you're not too bright. A "multi-use path" is not a "pedestrian- dedicated recreation facility". I go through great pains to avoid using the terms...
... Again, if the facility you describe is something that runs in the same corridor and alongside a roadway, and it encourages bicycle use, whatever name you...
... can ... SIDEPATH/SIDEWALK/MULTI-USE PATH: What I call multi-use paths in Seoul were designed and constructed for use by multiple users, and that is how...
... OK. Promise that no roadway parallels it in the same corridor and _you_ can use "multi-use" path and I approximately know what _you_ mean from here on in....
... Using the scientific data out there, roadway safety - any roadway - stands up well against path safety. ... I think the culture's "feelings" about pleasant...
... You are not responding to what I said. I made no mention of scientific data. I expressed a personal opinion about how I feel riding on some roads. You may...
... But your personal feelings and not very realistic desires should not be enough to drive public facility policy. ... No thanks. I don't want to give you any...
... I am in agreement with what Michael Lilly has written in his reply above. I've essentially seen the same back and forth argument recycled in this...
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