Any suggetions for a lesser expensive model?  Currently I ride into work with a
Giant OCR, I'm looking for something as an alternative.  I agree with the flat
bars, after a while my back feels it... Also any suggetion for tires? Mainly
flat path and street usage. Thanks.

David A de Gruyl <david@...> wrote:  * on [06-05-31 14:04]
Sauerwald Mark wrote:
>The Kyoto 2 looks a lot like the Breezer Uptown 8,
>except that the Breezer uses the 8 speed Nexus hub,
>rather than the 7 speed in the Kyoto.

Yeah, and the breezer costs ~$850. The head and taillights are also
terrific on the breezer (I have them).

Another candidate for the "If I needed a fourth bike...", which I do
not.

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* on [06-06-01 13:43] Michael Bell wrote:
>Any suggetions for a lesser expensive model?  Currently I ride into
>work with a Giant OCR, I'm looking for something as an alternative.  I
>agree with the flat bars, after a while my back feels it... Also any
>suggetion for tires? Mainly flat path and street usage. Thanks.

Perhaps the flat bars are not the solution that you think they are.
Often the problem is handlebars that are too low.  Drop bars offer more
hand positions, and (for me at least) are more comfortable.

Now, I do not know of a less expensive bike with all these features.  At
$650 the Fuji is dirt cheap.  On most bikes, you end up putting a fair
ammount of money in with lighting, racks, fenders and such.  Plus, you
get the feeling that the bike is intelligently designed.

My suggestion is to consider a used touring bike (if you can find one)
or a used hardtailed / rigid mountain bike.  Of course hartail mountain
bikes are getting scarce as well.  There are probably no new rigid
mountain bikes.

The advantage of the touring bike is that it is designed for all the
amenities: racks, fenders, larger tires, higher handlebars.  THe
disadvantage is the cost or finding them.  Commuting (City) bikes are
even more rare in the US.  The Fuji and Breezer models are newish, and
unlikely to be found used.

If you can locate an (old) english 3-speed, that might be a good bike to
use for commuting.

For tires, I really like Panaracer Pasela Tourguard tires.  I hear good
things about the Schwalbe Marathons, but have no experience there.  I
have 32mm Avocet Cross II tires (may be labeled 35, I am not sure right
now) with an inverted tread on them that were okay both on and off road,
but the tread really does very little for where I ride.

--
David de Gruyl <david@...> New Brunswick, NJ
"If I can bicycle, I bicycle." - David Attenborough

I agree with David -- if you're problem is back pain caused by being too
hunched over, the solution to the problem is raising the handlebars.  It
doesn't matter if they're flat or road.

For long rides, I too prefer a road handlebar.  The many more positions
it offers decreases numbness.  Plus, getting down on the drops
occasionally and moving around decreases other sorts of discomfort, and
it gives you an option for getting into a more aero position if your
fighting the wind, or simply trying to fly for a bit.

However, numbness is definitely not a problem for me commuting.  My
hands won't get numb unless the ride is like 40 miles or more.  I like
the flat bar for commuting because it keeps my hands near the brakes
when I'm in a very upright position, and I like that upright position
for easily surveying the road.  But it's a minor preference -- I don't
hesitate to commute on my road bike if I want to do a fast group ride
during lunch.


      Fritz



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From: bicyclecommuting@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:bicyclecommuting@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David A de Gruyl
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 2:16 PM
To: bicyclecommuting@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Bicycle Commuting] Re: Commuting - Flat Bar Bike Advice


* on [06-06-01 13:43] Michael Bell wrote:
>Any suggetions for a lesser expensive model?  Currently I ride into
>work with a Giant OCR, I'm looking for something as an alternative.  I
>agree with the flat bars, after a while my back feels it... Also any
>suggetion for tires? Mainly flat path and street usage. Thanks.

Perhaps the flat bars are not the solution that you think they are.
Often the problem is handlebars that are too low.  Drop bars offer more
hand positions, and (for me at least) are more comfortable.

Now, I do not know of a less expensive bike with all these features.  At

$650 the Fuji is dirt cheap.  On most bikes, you end up putting a fair
ammount of money in with lighting, racks, fenders and such.  Plus, you
get the feeling that the bike is intelligently designed.

My suggestion is to consider a used touring bike (if you can find one)
or a used hardtailed / rigid mountain bike.  Of course hartail mountain
bikes are getting scarce as well.  There are probably no new rigid
mountain bikes.

The advantage of the touring bike is that it is designed for all the
amenities: racks, fenders, larger tires, higher handlebars.  THe
disadvantage is the cost or finding them.  Commuting (City) bikes are
even more rare in the US.  The Fuji and Breezer models are newish, and
unlikely to be found used.

If you can locate an (old) english 3-speed, that might be a good bike to

use for commuting.

For tires, I really like Panaracer Pasela Tourguard tires.  I hear good
things about the Schwalbe Marathons, but have no experience there.  I
have 32mm Avocet Cross II tires (may be labeled 35, I am not sure right
now) with an inverted tread on them that were okay both on and off road,

but the tread really does very little for where I ride.

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Thanks for the excellent info... You seem fairly knowledgeable.  Any
sugggestions for basic bikes for alternative days on my road bike? A friend of
mine bought a Forge Bicycle for $200 and swears by them.  But I think they look
good for mountain and comfort, so I was thinking of using the comfort model, but
changing the tires... thouhts are welcomed. Thanks!

"Walker,Frederick H." <walkerfh@...> wrote:  I agree with David --
if you're problem is back pain caused by being too
hunched over, the solution to the problem is raising the handlebars.  It
doesn't matter if they're flat or road.

For long rides, I too prefer a road handlebar.  The many more positions
it offers decreases numbness.  Plus, getting down on the drops
occasionally and moving around decreases other sorts of discomfort, and
it gives you an option for getting into a more aero position if your
fighting the wind, or simply trying to fly for a bit.

However, numbness is definitely not a problem for me commuting.  My
hands won't get numb unless the ride is like 40 miles or more.  I like
the flat bar for commuting because it keeps my hands near the brakes
when I'm in a very upright position, and I like that upright position
for easily surveying the road.  But it's a minor preference -- I don't
hesitate to commute on my road bike if I want to do a fast group ride
during lunch.


      Fritz



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From: bicyclecommuting@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:bicyclecommuting@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David A de Gruyl
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 2:16 PM
To: bicyclecommuting@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Bicycle Commuting] Re: Commuting - Flat Bar Bike Advice


* on [06-06-01 13:43] Michael Bell wrote:
>Any suggetions for a lesser expensive model?  Currently I ride into
>work with a Giant OCR, I'm looking for something as an alternative.  I
>agree with the flat bars, after a while my back feels it... Also any
>suggetion for tires? Mainly flat path and street usage. Thanks.

Perhaps the flat bars are not the solution that you think they are.
Often the problem is handlebars that are too low.  Drop bars offer more
hand positions, and (for me at least) are more comfortable.

Now, I do not know of a less expensive bike with all these features.  At

$650 the Fuji is dirt cheap.  On most bikes, you end up putting a fair
ammount of money in with lighting, racks, fenders and such.  Plus, you
get the feeling that the bike is intelligently designed.

My suggestion is to consider a used touring bike (if you can find one)
or a used hardtailed / rigid mountain bike.  Of course hartail mountain
bikes are getting scarce as well.  There are probably no new rigid
mountain bikes.

The advantage of the touring bike is that it is designed for all the
amenities: racks, fenders, larger tires, higher handlebars.  THe
disadvantage is the cost or finding them.  Commuting (City) bikes are
even more rare in the US.  The Fuji and Breezer models are newish, and
unlikely to be found used.

If you can locate an (old) english 3-speed, that might be a good bike to

use for commuting.

For tires, I really like Panaracer Pasela Tourguard tires.  I hear good
things about the Schwalbe Marathons, but have no experience there.  I
have 32mm Avocet Cross II tires (may be labeled 35, I am not sure right
now) with an inverted tread on them that were okay both on and off road,

but the tread really does very little for where I ride.

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* on [06-06-01 13:43] Michael Bell wrote:


>  Also any
> suggetion for tires? Mainly flat path and street usage. Thanks.
>
I have always had good luck with Continental Ultra Gatorskins. The front
tire on my bike has 6500Kms on it without a flat. I pinch flatted the
back one once by letting the tire pressure drop too low. The tire has a
Kevlar armor belt under the tread and reinforced sidewalls to provide
protection. As a 300+ lb rider I have put these tires under a lot of
stress with 110psi pressures and a four season all weather commute on
rough roads. I had some custom wheels built using 36 spoke XT hubs and
Ambrosio Evolution rims.  I have had them for two years and they have
only needed to be trued once.

        Matt

>
> My suggestion is to consider a used touring bike (if you can find
one)
> or a used hardtailed / rigid mountain bike.  Of course hartail
mountain
> bikes are getting scarce as well.  There are probably no new rigid
> mountain bikes.
>
> The advantage of the touring bike is that it is designed for all the
> amenities: racks, fenders, larger tires, higher handlebars.  THe
> disadvantage is the cost or finding them.  Commuting (City) bikes
are
> even more rare in the US.  The Fuji and Breezer models are newish,
and
> unlikely to be found used.
>


I absolutly agree with this statement....I commute on my old Centurion
Pro Tour 15...bought in 1984....lots of upgrades since then and the
steel frame just makes it the sweetest ride I have...(I have four
bikes, a carbon road, a hardtail mountan and a full suspension
mountan) and by far the old steely is my nicest bike to cruise on. I
have the flat bars with bar ends and it works for me...I like it that
way....I am 205 pounds, it has 36spoke rims and I have NEVER broken a
spoke....touring or commuting.....find a nice steel frame touring bike
and put a few nice upgraded parts on it and you will have a solid,
great handling bike.  John

I 2nd that Conti UG's are great!


      Fritz



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[mailto:bicyclecommuting@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Bergin
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 4:27 PM
To: bicyclecommuting@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Bicycle Commuting] Re: Commuting - Flat Bar Bike Advice


* on [06-06-01 13:43] Michael Bell wrote:


>  Also any
> suggetion for tires? Mainly flat path and street usage. Thanks.
>
I have always had good luck with Continental Ultra Gatorskins. The front

tire on my bike has 6500Kms on it without a flat. I pinch flatted the
back one once by letting the tire pressure drop too low. The tire has a
Kevlar armor belt under the tread and reinforced sidewalls to provide
protection. As a 300+ lb rider I have put these tires under a lot of
stress with 110psi pressures and a four season all weather commute on
rough roads. I had some custom wheels built using 36 spoke XT hubs and
Ambrosio Evolution rims.  I have had them for two years and they have
only needed to be trued once.

        Matt



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Sorry, Mike, I'm not familiar with Forge.  There are lots of great hybrids. 
I've mentioned before that I like the Marin hybrid/city bikes because I have one
that's lots of fun, but there are so many competitive brands out there that are
also good...

FWIW, right now if I was going to buy an alternative bike (I've got about 5
bikes in my garage already, and that's not counting other family members' bikes)
I'd get a folding bike, so I could still do some riding when I travel on
business.


      Fritz



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On Behalf Of Michael Bell
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 4:27 PM
To: bicyclecommuting@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Bicycle Commuting] Re: Commuting - Flat Bar Bike Advice


Thanks for the excellent info... You seem fairly knowledgeable.  Any
sugggestions for basic bikes for alternative days on my road bike? A friend of
mine bought a Forge Bicycle for $200 and swears by them.  But I think they look
good for mountain and comfort, so I was thinking of using the comfort model, but
changing the tires... thouhts are welcomed. Thanks!

"Walker,Frederick H." <walkerfh@...> wrote:  I agree with David --
if you're problem is back pain caused by being too
hunched over, the solution to the problem is raising the handlebars.  It
doesn't matter if they're flat or road.

For long rides, I too prefer a road handlebar.  The many more positions
it offers decreases numbness.  Plus, getting down on the drops
occasionally and moving around decreases other sorts of discomfort, and
it gives you an option for getting into a more aero position if your
fighting the wind, or simply trying to fly for a bit.

However, numbness is definitely not a problem for me commuting.  My
hands won't get numb unless the ride is like 40 miles or more.  I like
the flat bar for commuting because it keeps my hands near the brakes
when I'm in a very upright position, and I like that upright position
for easily surveying the road.  But it's a minor preference -- I don't
hesitate to commute on my road bike if I want to do a fast group ride
during lunch.


      Fritz



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From: bicyclecommuting@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:bicyclecommuting@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David A de Gruyl
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 2:16 PM
To: bicyclecommuting@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Bicycle Commuting] Re: Commuting - Flat Bar Bike Advice


* on [06-06-01 13:43] Michael Bell wrote:
>Any suggetions for a lesser expensive model?  Currently I ride into
>work with a Giant OCR, I'm looking for something as an alternative.  I
>agree with the flat bars, after a while my back feels it... Also any
>suggetion for tires? Mainly flat path and street usage. Thanks.

Perhaps the flat bars are not the solution that you think they are.
Often the problem is handlebars that are too low.  Drop bars offer more
hand positions, and (for me at least) are more comfortable.

Now, I do not know of a less expensive bike with all these features.  At

$650 the Fuji is dirt cheap.  On most bikes, you end up putting a fair
ammount of money in with lighting, racks, fenders and such.  Plus, you
get the feeling that the bike is intelligently designed.

My suggestion is to consider a used touring bike (if you can find one)
or a used hardtailed / rigid mountain bike.  Of course hartail mountain
bikes are getting scarce as well.  There are probably no new rigid
mountain bikes.

The advantage of the touring bike is that it is designed for all the
amenities: racks, fenders, larger tires, higher handlebars.  THe
disadvantage is the cost or finding them.  Commuting (City) bikes are
even more rare in the US.  The Fuji and Breezer models are newish, and
unlikely to be found used.

If you can locate an (old) english 3-speed, that might be a good bike to

use for commuting.

For tires, I really like Panaracer Pasela Tourguard tires.  I hear good
things about the Schwalbe Marathons, but have no experience there.  I
have 32mm Avocet Cross II tires (may be labeled 35, I am not sure right
now) with an inverted tread on them that were okay both on and off road,

but the tread really does very little for where I ride.

--
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--- In bicyclecommuting@yahoogroups.com, <creakinator@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I was out riding my new burley recumbent bike, hit a puddle and
slid.  I ended up breaking my right ankle - both of the leg bones. I
dislocated my ankle. They told me, I wouldn't look at it, that my foot
was complety turned around.
>
> So I'm in a cast to my knee with plans to have surgery to insert
plates into my ankle in 10 days or so.
>
> I'm off my feet, out of work (luckily I have lots of sick time saved
up) for at least two weeks.
>
> Christy K.
Hope all is going well with the recovery.  Sorry to hear about your
accident.

Ouch!  Sorry to hear about your crash.  ope you recover sooner than
expected.

http://www.instructables.com/ex/i/C78C5B80E3E71027930A6398D25227CA/

I think someone was asking how to do this a while back.  Not sure how workable
it would be but looks fairly easy to do.

Christy K.


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HEllo All,
I am new to the group and new to mountain biking. I am not a youngster
but love to bike. I am ingnorant to manufacturers out there and was
hoping for some recommendations from people in this active group. Can
you recommend a good beginner mountain bike that is basic but solid
and doesn't cost a fortune? That's prbably a tall order but I thought
I might get some help here.
Thanks

For interest, I was on eBay and they is a layout for mountain bikers
ending today. THought if some of you veterans out there have pictures
of your trips, you might be able to use the pages....

Njnana

First a disclaimer, I am not a mountain biker, I ride
road bikes.  For road bikes, and I assume mountain
bikes are similar, far more important than this
feature or that feature, what the frame is made of
etc, is the fit.  Getting a good fit will come by
going to a good bike shop who will work with you to
figure out what the best bike for YOU is, which is a
very different question from which is the best bike.


--- njnana1952 <njnana1952@...> wrote:

> HEllo All,
> I am new to the group and new to mountain biking. I
> am not a youngster
> but love to bike. I am ingnorant to manufacturers
> out there and was
> hoping for some recommendations from people in this
> active group. Can
> you recommend a good beginner mountain bike that is
> basic but solid
> and doesn't cost a fortune? That's prbably a tall
> order but I thought
> I might get some help here.
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>


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Hi, I'm new around here.  My name is Eric.  I'm somewhat out of shape
and I've been threatening to buy a bicycle and start riding again to
get back into shape. Last week my wife brought home a 1960's Raleigh
Sports.  A really well built English bike.  It's something that I
would have bought years ago if I could have afforded when I was much
younger.

Though it's well built, it's probably been sitting untouched in
someone's garage for at least the last 30 years.  That means a lot of
maintenance. So out I went for new tires, inner tubes, a seat and
replaced a missing kickstand.  Before I knew it, I have spent more on
parts to get this bicycle up and running (and have not totally put
them together yet) than I would have spent in buying a new bicycle.
So much for it being a free bicycle.  Except for the fact that I have
29" legs and the top frame rail is 33" high, I think that it is going
to be a great bicycle.

Before long, I hope to be riding to the farmer's market a couple of
miles down the road and stopping off for a Guiness at the bar a half a
mile down the road on my way home.

Eric...



--
Eric and Kathy Craft.  Monaca, PA, USA

Welcome to the open road again. All you have done is recycled something
that other wise would have been tossed away. Enjoy and keep the list
posted on how your riding is going,
                  calvin weeks

Eric and Kathy Craft wrote:
> Hi, I'm new around here.  My name is Eric.  I'm somewhat out of shape
> and I've been threatening to buy a bicycle and start riding again to
> get back into shape. Last week my wife brought home a 1960's Raleigh
> Sports.  A really well built English bike.  It's something that I
> would have bought years ago if I could have afforded when I was much
> younger.
>
> Though it's well built, it's probably been sitting untouched in
> someone's garage for at least the last 30 years.  That means a lot of
> maintenance. So out I went for new tires, inner tubes, a seat and
> replaced a missing kickstand.  Before I knew it, I have spent more on
> parts to get this bicycle up and running (and have not totally put
> them together yet) than I would have spent in buying a new bicycle.
> So much for it being a free bicycle.  Except for the fact that I have
> 29" legs and the top frame rail is 33" high, I think that it is going
> to be a great bicycle.
>
> Before long, I hope to be riding to the farmer's market a couple of
> miles down the road and stopping off for a Guiness at the bar a half a
> mile down the road on my way home.
>
> Eric...
>
>
>
>

Welcome back to cycling. The Guiness sounds like a great idea. Lots of important
vitamins and minerals.

   Shyrley

Eric and Kathy Craft <thecrafts@...> wrote:
   Hi, I'm new around here.  My name is Eric.  I'm somewhat out of shape
and I've been threatening to buy a bicycle and start riding again to
get back into shape. Last week my wife brought home a 1960's Raleigh
Sports.  A really well built English bike.  It's something that I
would have bought years ago if I could have afforded when I was much
younger.

Though it's well built, it's probably been sitting untouched in
someone's garage for at least the last 30 years.  That means a lot of
maintenance. So out I went for new tires, inner tubes, a seat and
replaced a missing kickstand.  Before I knew it, I have spent more on
parts to get this bicycle up and running (and have not totally put
them together yet) than I would have spent in buying a new bicycle.
So much for it being a free bicycle.  Except for the fact that I have
29" legs and the top frame rail is 33" high, I think that it is going
to be a great bicycle.

Before long, I hope to be riding to the farmer's market a couple of
miles down the road and stopping off for a Guiness at the bar a half a
mile down the road on my way home.

Eric...



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--- In bicyclecommuting@yahoogroups.com, "Eric and Kathy Craft"
<thecrafts@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm new around here.  My name is Eric.  I'm somewhat out of shape
> and I've been threatening to buy a bicycle and start riding again to
> get back into shape.
<snip>
> Before long, I hope to be riding to the farmer's market a couple of
> miles down the road and stopping off for a Guiness at the bar a half a
> mile down the road on my way home.
>
> Eric...

Hi Eric -

Welcome back to the enlightened side ;^)...

I think you'll enjoy riding again. The Raleigh Sports is really a
marvelous machine. I remember them fondly and would like to have one
myself someday. Actually, a Superbe would be nice. I once had a
Steyer-Puch that was very similar to the Sprots, and my first bike was
a Firestone 3-speed.

As you get more back into cycling you may want to upgrade to a more
modern hybrid or city bike, but in the meantime you might enjoy
visiting Sheldon Brown's website (www.sheldonbrown.com/raleigh.html) -
he has a good section on English three speeds. Old Roads
(www.oldroads.com) also has a British roadster section that is
interesting. Retro Raleighs is another good site, at
http://retroraleighs.com/sports.html.

I don't know how far you are from Philadelphia, but there are some
folks there who are roadster afficianados. They have get togethers and
pub-crawls from time to time. I've seen them plotting their escapades
on Old Roads...

Cheers,

Tom

On Jun 4, 2006, at 2:06 PM, bicyclecommuting@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Before I knew it, I have spent more on parts to get this bicycle up
> and running (and have not totally put them together yet) than I
> would have spent in buying a new bicycle.

Me thinks that you haven't been in a bicycle shop in quite a few
years (& I don't mean a K-Mart or a Sears or a Wal-Mart, etc).  What
you spent getting the new ride ride-able wouldn't pay the sales tax
(NJ) on a new quality bike.

Welcome back & enjoy your commute!  Just think of all of the ga$
money you'll be $aving....not to mention the health benefits of
pedaling to work.

I think a helmet mount would be best for control. Stay off the seat for best
vibe control.

In the past, I attached a 16mm camera to the handlebars using a clamppod.

tOM

On Friday, June 02, 2006 at 17:11,
  <bicyclecommuting@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> http://www.instructables.com/ex/i/C78C5B80E3E71027930A6398D25227CA/
>
> I think someone was asking how to do this a while back.  Not sure how workable
it would be but looks fairly easy to do.
>
> Christy K.

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For those of you who like to listen to music without earbuds, I found a
couple of links for Ipod accessories, and thought I'd pass them along.  No
affiliation, yada yada....  My bike radio/computer isn't manufactured
anymore, so I was looking for music for my other bike.  This might be
something I can switch back and forth from bike to bike.

Here's a mounting bracket for your Ipod, so you can see the display screen
while you're riding.  It's $7.49.
http://www.mac-pro.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.132/it.A/id.1820/.f

Here's some bike speakers with mounting bracket, for $29.99.  Only 2.6 oz
before adding 3 AAA batteries.  They fold and unfold to open like a cell
phone, and are detachable from the mounting bracket.
http://www.active-tunes.com/iridedetails.html


      /)/)
    (  °.°)     September Brown
  o(_('')('')    gregb@...

Eric,

You are a long ways from the cost of a new bike.  Let me suggest two more new
items.

1. A helmet-- also known as a brain bucket. Those who ride without a helmet are
known
in hospital emergency rooms as "organ donors."

2. A new chain. If the bike is old it probably needed to be replaced years ago
and storage
for years has not helped it. If the chain brakes, you are walking home.

Good luck and welcome back. I made a return to the bike myself in 2001.

Mike

Hi Tom,

Well, finally tonight I replaced the original 26x1 3/8 Dunlop White
Sprite tires with Cheng Shin tires.  The Dunlops were still in real
good condition and they are going to stay that way on the wall of my
garage just in case I want to return the bike to original condition.
I want to retire the Brooks B-72 saddle, but the added cushioning and
springs on the seat that I was going to replace it with sits to high
in it's lowest position for me to ride the bike.

After I got the bicycle together. I took it for a short spin.  Good
grief, am I wobbly after not riding for over 20 years.  I also noticed
that I have to get some new brake pads too.  The dry rotted pads that
are on it took way too long to stop the bicycle.

Eric...


On 6/4/06, Tom Schmitz <ctschmitz@...> wrote:

>
>  Hi Eric -
>
>  Welcome back to the enlightened side ;^)...
>
>  I think you'll enjoy riding again. The Raleigh Sports is really a
>  marvelous machine. I remember them fondly and would like to have one
>  myself someday. Actually, a Superbe would be nice. I once had a
>  Steyer-Puch that was very similar to the Sprots, and my first bike was
>  a Firestone 3-speed.
>
>  As you get more back into cycling you may want to upgrade to a more
>  modern hybrid or city bike, but in the meantime you might enjoy
>  visiting Sheldon Brown's website (www.sheldonbrown.com/raleigh.html) -
>  he has a good section on English three speeds. Old Roads
>  (www.oldroads.com) also has a British roadster section that is
>  interesting. Retro Raleighs is another good site, at
>  http://retroraleighs.com/sports.html.
>
>  I don't know how far you are from Philadelphia, but there are some
>  folks there who are roadster afficianados. They have get togethers and
>  pub-crawls from time to time. I've seen them plotting their escapades
>  on Old Roads...
>
>  Cheers,
>
>
>  Tom

If the B-72 is in fairly good condition I would  treat it with Brooks
Proofide and  use it. I use a B-17  myself and after it adjusted to my
posterior it has become the most comfortable seat I have ever owned.
Just make sure to cover the seat in the rain, the leather will stretch
if you ride it while it is wet. I bought a seat  cover from Wallingford
Bicycle Parts ( http://www.wallbike.com/# ) It protects the seat from
the rain and still allows you to ride the bike. It takes some time
before the seat will adjust to you but the wait is worth it.

                          Matt

Eric and Kathy Craft wrote:
> I want to retire the Brooks B-72 saddle, but the added cushioning and
> springs on the seat that I was going to replace it with sits to high
> in it's lowest position for me to ride the bike.
>
>

Don't some states prohibit biking with the usage of music or ipods?  I found
this to be very dangerous, even on bike paths only.  Thought of the day.

September Brown <gregb@...> wrote:   For those of you who like to listen
to music without earbuds, I found a
couple of links for Ipod accessories, and thought I'd pass them along. No
affiliation, yada yada.... My bike radio/computer isn't manufactured
anymore, so I was looking for music for my other bike. This might be
something I can switch back and forth from bike to bike.

Here's a mounting bracket for your Ipod, so you can see the display screen
while you're riding. It's $7.49.
http://www.mac-pro.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.132/it.A/id.1820/.f

Here's some bike speakers with mounting bracket, for $29.99. Only 2.6 oz
before adding 3 AAA batteries. They fold and unfold to open like a cell
phone, and are detachable from the mounting bracket.
http://www.active-tunes.com/iridedetails.html


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* on [06-06-05 09:30] Matthew Bergin wrote:
>If the B-72 is in fairly good condition I would  treat it with Brooks
>Proofide and  use it. I use a B-17  myself and after it adjusted to my
>posterior it has become the most comfortable seat I have ever owned.
>Just make sure to cover the seat in the rain, the leather will stretch
>if you ride it while it is wet. I bought a seat  cover from Wallingford
>Bicycle Parts ( http://www.wallbike.com/# ) It protects the seat from
>the rain and still allows you to ride the bike. It takes some time
>before the seat will adjust to you but the wait is worth it.

And, if you don't like it you can put it on ebay and return a fair
ammount of change.

Typically only the worst condition is unrecoverable for these saddles.
If it is dry, then the proofide is a good restoration agent.  If there
are cracks, then it may be in really bad shape but still ridable.

--
David de Gruyl <david@...> New Brunswick, NJ
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of transport grow daily more nightmarish. Only the bicycle remains pure
in heart.  ~Iris Murdoch, The Red and the Green

----- Original Message -----

Don't some states prohibit biking with the usage of music or ipods?  I found
this to be very dangerous, even on bike paths only.  Thought of the day.

-----my reply-----

Riding with a radio is legal in Oklahoma.  Riding with an external speaker
is no more dangerous than listening to the radio in your car.  It's bad
manners to have it on during a group ride, though.

September

I rather like the Brooks B-72 saddle that came on my Raleigh Sports
and I would use it if it's replacement cost wasn't so high.  It shows
it's 40 year old age a little and some minor scarring from the bicycle
being turned upside down for servicing.  Since the bicycle was in
totally original condition, I'm looking to protect some of it's
original parts in case I'm ever in a situation to where I want to show
it off as it left the factory.  I have already removed it's original
Dunlop White Sprite tires which are a coat of Armor All away from
being new and put them on a shelf.  Heck, I would have saved the
original Dutch made Dunlop inner tubes if they could still hold air,
but dry rot made that impossible.

Since it is not financially practical for me to replace my B-72 with
another B-72, I was looking to clean it, treat it and put it on the
shelf with the Dunlop White Sprite tires then go to Wal-Mart, Target
or K-Mart and look for a saddle for the bicycle.

I don't have a lot of cash to put into this bicycle.  My wife got it
for free from her church because I was balking at the price of the
bicycles at Wal-Mart.  Well it was that and I was complaining that it
seems that there are no new adult commuting bicycles that come with
fenders anymore.  Since I do not have a lot of cash to put into this
bicycle, that means that I can not afford to replace original parts
with original parts, so I want to save and protect as many of the
Raleigh Sports' original wearing parts as possible.

Eric...


On 6/5/06, Matthew Bergin <mbergin1@...> wrote:
>
>    If the B-72 is in fairly good condition I would  treat it with Brooks
>  Proofide and  use it. I use a B-17  myself and after it adjusted to my
>  posterior it has become the most comfortable seat I have ever owned.
>  Just make sure to cover the seat in the rain, the leather will stretch
>  if you ride it while it is wet. I bought a seat  cover from Wallingford
>  Bicycle Parts ( http://www.wallbike.com/# ) It protects the seat from
>  the rain and still allows you to ride the bike. It takes some time
>  before the seat will adjust to you but the wait is worth it.
>
>                           Matt



On 6/5/06, David A de Gruyl <david@...> wrote:

>  And, if you don't like it you can put it on ebay and return a fair
>  ammount of change.
>
>  Typically only the worst condition is unrecoverable for these saddles.
>  If it is dry, then the proofide is a good restoration agent.  If there
>  are cracks, then it may be in really bad shape but still ridable.
>
>  David de Gruyl <david@...> New Brunswick, NJ
>  The bicycle is the most civilized conveyance known to man. Other forms
>  of transport grow daily more nightmarish. Only the bicycle remains pure
>  in heart.  ~Iris Murdoch, The Red and the Green

Well, today was my first half mile ride on a bicycle in well over 20
years.  I thought that my heart was going to blow out of my chest.  It
looks like I am going to have to take "baby steps" to get back into
any kind of shape.

Oh BTW, This is the Raleigh Sports that I have been running on about.
http://www.geocities.com/clubtender/Raleigh-Sports-01.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/clubtender/Raleigh-Sports-02.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/clubtender/Raleigh-Sports-03.jpg

Eric...

Your bike looks great. I know how you feel. I got back on my bike a few
years ago and felt about the same after my first ride but I have stuck
it out and now find myself doing week long 100Km per day tours for
relaxation.

                 Matt

Eric and Kathy Craft wrote:
> Well, today was my first half mile ride on a bicycle in well over 20
> years.  I thought that my heart was going to blow out of my chest.  It
> looks like I am going to have to take "baby steps" to get back into
> any kind of shape.
>
> Oh BTW, This is the Raleigh Sports that I have been running on about.
> http://www.geocities.com/clubtender/Raleigh-Sports-01.jpg
> http://www.geocities.com/clubtender/Raleigh-Sports-02.jpg
> http://www.geocities.com/clubtender/Raleigh-Sports-03.jpg
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