Or you can do what a friend did last night when four of us were at a light
here in St. Louis. He had a steel frame and he just laid the bike down... it
triggered the light...

I have aluminum and haven't tried it... I just go through the light if it
happens to be one I feel I can easily get through safely. If not I will make
a right hand turn and do a cycist U turn... Or just wait...usually some
vehicle is on its way...

Keep Cycling,

JJ

On 6/3/05, Michael Graff <michael.graff@...> wrote:
>
> In California, it's CVC 21800 for an "inoperative" signal. However, I
> don't know whether "won't detect a bike" has ever been tested in court
> as qualifying as "inoperative".
>
> Standard traffic sensors detect metal, not weight. A bike wheel should
> be enough to trigger them, if the wheel is positioned carefully, and if
> the sensor is adjusted properly. Here's a good description:
>
> http://www.humantransport.org/bicycledriving/library/signals/green.htm
>
> There are also some new video detectors that are supposed to do a better
> job of seeing cyclists.
>
> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Walker,Frederick H." <walkerfh@...>
> To: bicyclecommuting@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:25:57 -0400
> Subject: RE: [Bicycle Commuting] COURT: Cyclist hits out at red light
> penalty
>
> You are correct (at least in Pennsylvania -- can't guarantee elsewhere)
> -- if you wait a reasonable time for the light to change and it doesn't,
> technically the light is 'broken'. It doesn't matter if it has a
> trigger designed for a car's weight -- it isn't working for you.
>
> I guess the question mark in the whole thing is what is a 'reasonable'
> time.
>
>
> Fritz
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: bicyclecommuting@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:bicyclecommuting@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of karl mohr
> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 8:42 PM
> To: bicyclecommuting@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Bicycle Commuting] COURT: Cyclist hits out at red light
> penalty
>
>
>
> > Somebody operating a vehicle ran a red light and got
> > a ticket. The fact
> > that it was a bicycle that he was operating makes no
> > difference. If we want
> > drivers to obey the law and treat us as equals then
> > we need to obey the laws
> > and expect to get ticketed when we don't.
>
> I believe, however, that there are times when
> judgement should supercede whatever the law says. For
> example, there are lights in my area that will not
> change if a bicycle is waiting for the light, and
> there's no button for pedestrians to cross. It would
> be ridiculous to wait 20 minutes or more for a car to
> come and trip the light. So after stopping and waiting
> at the light, at a reasonable time I proceed through
> the light. (I believe that this is legal.) Ii think it
> falls under a law about malfunctioning traffic lights.
> I would be angry if I was ticketed for running this
> light in this situation.
>
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