So when you look down the firing line and see all
those Anschutzes, they are really custom rifles? The
only thing from the factory is the stock, with the
name Anschutz, and the 54 action?
What's the best barrel? I should be looking towards a
custum with that barrel. Well back to square one.
z




--- djrice@... wrote:

> It's my understanding the main difference between
> the rifles that the pro's use and the ones used by
> the rest of us are the special (and expensive)
> barrels that are on the pro guns.
>
>
> >
> > From: "z_biker" <z_biker@...>
> > Date: 2005/02/19 Sat AM 08:53:06 EST
> > To: biathlonnorthamerica@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Biathlon North America On the top end
> >
> >
>
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It's my understanding the main difference between the rifles that the pro's use
and the ones used by the rest of us are the special (and expensive) barrels that
are on the pro guns.


>
> From: "z_biker" <z_biker@...>
> Date: 2005/02/19 Sat AM 08:53:06 EST
> To: biathlonnorthamerica@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Biathlon North America On the top end
>
>


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Talked to Joe at the Remington custom shop Friday. He said they can
build me a CUSTOM 40-X similar to an Anschutz 54.18 for the same
price. Am I comparing apples to apples here?

Still most competitive shooters are using Anschutz production
products over any custom rifles. Maybe?

Are the standard production Anschutz rifles the ones used by the top
shooters or are they using a custom, custom Anschutz?

z

Don't forget about Marc Sheppard at Altius Firearms. As their ad. says, they are
the only Biathlon-specific store in the country. I have dealt with Marc and feel
very comfortable reccomending him and his shop.

- DJR


>
> From: "z_biker" <z_biker@...>
> Date: 2005/02/10 Thu AM 07:31:00 EST
> To: biathlonnorthamerica@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Biathlon North America On the top end
>
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Thanks to all for the responses.

As a result, I find I have other options than my local gun shop.
Never considered using my local shop as a delivery station and
ordering directly from other sources. Will find out what they charge
to take delivery.

Suggestions for purchase thru Neals/Champion's etc. and payment via
credit card. If I am not happy with the quality, I can stop payment,
and send it back.

It's a plan and thanks again,
z

P.S. I wonder if I could go to Neals/Champion's and buy it there? Can
you buy firearms without being a resident of that state?

Z,
You might also contact Marc Sheppard at Altiusguns.com.  He is a quite
knowledgeable and reputable dealer who does some fantastic custom work, too.
Jay

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   Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:50 PM
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   --- Jay Bender <jay@...> wrote:

   >    If I bought a brand new Anschutz I would:
   >
   > A) pay with a credit card
   > B) inspect it upon arrival for scratches and proper
   > functioning
   > C) return it if I was not satisfied
    I bought my new Anschutz last fall from
   > Champion's Choice in Tennessee and had no problems
   > at all.

   Thanks,
   Did you deal directly with Champion's Choice or your
   local gun shop?
   z



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I dealt directly with Champion's Choice and had it shipped to my local gun shop
after talking to them first.  They charged me $30 or so to run it through them. 
I filled out some paperwork related to the background check there, as well.   A
friend of mine use the same local gun shop, but ordered her Anschutz from Neil
Johnson's (neiljguns), also with excellent results.
Jay

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   Subject: Re: Biathlon North America On the top end




   --- Jay Bender <jay@...> wrote:

   >    If I bought a brand new Anschutz I would:
   >
   > A) pay with a credit card
   > B) inspect it upon arrival for scratches and proper
   > functioning
   > C) return it if I was not satisfied
    I bought my new Anschutz last fall from
   > Champion's Choice in Tennessee and had no problems
   > at all.

   Thanks,
   Did you deal directly with Champion's Choice or your
   local gun shop?
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--- Jay Bender <jay@...> wrote:

>    If I bought a brand new Anschutz I would:
>
> A) pay with a credit card
> B) inspect it upon arrival for scratches and proper
> functioning
> C) return it if I was not satisfied
  I bought my new Anschutz last fall from
> Champion's Choice in Tennessee and had no problems
> at all.

Thanks,
Did you deal directly with Champion's Choice or your
local gun shop?
z



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Hi Z,

    Define "Perfect"... sometimes in the eye of the beholder.

    If I bought a brand new Anschutz I would:

A) pay with a credit card
B) inspect it upon arrival for scratches and proper functioning
C) return it if I was not satisfied

"A" is important so you have an ability to reverse the charges until things are
settled.  If you deal with a reputable dealer, and most are, you will have no
problems  I bought my new Anschutz last fall from Champion's Choice in Tennessee
and had no problems at all.  My rifle works great, and looks great and, with
proper care will last me a lifetime.

Just my two cents.

Jay Bender

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   Subject: Biathlon North America On the top end



   If we bought a new top end production rifle (Cooper, Anschutz, Sako)
   can we expect it to be perfect? That is, no scratches, no dings on
   the stock, magazine and release botton operates, sub 1 MOA, good
   trigger and a life time of good functioning.

   Can we compare German/American/ect. factory production quality
   control vs. custom builder quality control?

   What are your thoughts?

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If we bought a new top end production rifle (Cooper, Anschutz, Sako)
can we expect it to be perfect? That is, no scratches, no dings on
the stock, magazine and release botton operates, sub 1 MOA, good
trigger and a life time of good functioning.

Can we compare German/American/ect. factory production quality
control vs. custom builder quality control?

What are your thoughts?

z

Yo Yo Yo, fellow Biathlon Fans!

     OLN at Noon (Pacific time) on Wednesdays.  My guide says it is ON tomorrow! 
Set those VCRs!

     I had heard that it was going to be on part of "Winter Revolution", but this
seems to be incorrect.  I see it listed as "Biathlon" on my schedule, and at a
different time than Winter Revolution.  Good.... Much as I like Bode Miller, I
could do without any more "Bode on the Bus"!

Jay Bender


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biathlonworld.com

Hello!
I want to know where I can download biathlon races?
Thank you!

OLNTV.com has finally listed a Biathlon schedule. The first showing
is scheduled for Wednesday February 2, 2005 3:00 - 4:00 pm.

Eric,

You wrote:
"...sometimes this would result in a shot very far off from the rest
of the group, other
> times it would be right on...it was about 12 degrees F and I was
shooting with an anschutz "

I shoot with Federal Gold Match most of the time with good results.
My first race at West Yellowstone, the temperature was -4 degrees F.
I could not get a grouping.  Lots of penalty loops.  And the shooting
is usually the best part of my race!  Later I was told the cold
weather (from 15 to 20 degrees F and below), affects the powder in the
bullets.

I tried various "polar" rounds and found 3 types worked out of 5 for
my rifle (Izhmash Biathlon 7-4).  Good groupings at -20 degrees F
(Brrrrr!)

Below is part of Allen's website that discusses it.

http://www.biathlon.net/low_temp.html

Have fun and good shooting, John

I e-mailed OLN to see what the story was, but have not heard back from them. I
assume it had something to do with money.
>
> From: "peasejo" <jonpease@...>
> Date: 2005/01/11 Tue AM 10:49:48 EST
> To: biathlonnorthamerica@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Biathlon North America World Cup on OLN
>
>


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Has any one heard if OLN was going to show World Cup Biathlon this year?

Eric,

I've shot CCI Green Tag for at least the past 5 years without any
problems.  One thing I learned last year is that if you buy ammo
and store it then be sure to rotate the boxes.  If the rounds are
stored so that they lay horizontally then the primer will settle to
one side.  Then when you go to shoot you can get a complete misfire,
partial fire, or complete fire.  This might explain the variability
you were getting with both CCI and the Federal. By rotating the boxes
every couple of weeks you keep the primer more uniform and improve the
consistancy of ignition.

Keeping an empty clip in the action is a personal preference. It is
allowed by the IBU but you may run into a local venue which does not
allow it.  Two reasons for doing so are to help keep snow out if you
fall and a small savings in time following the final shooting stage.
Just be sure it's an EMPTY clip.

Pete.......



--- In biathlonnorthamerica@yahoogroups.com, "ems151" <ems151@y...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I know this gets washed over all the time, but hopefully this is a
little different. I was out
> shooting today, using CCI green and a federal gold medal match.
With both rounds we
> would notice an occasional different sound as it was fired, much
louder, much softer,
> etc...sometimes this would result in a shot very far off from the
rest of the group, other
> times it would be right on...it was about 12 degrees F and I was
shooting with an anschutz
> fortner sprint.  Was this due to the temperature or iregilarities in
the ammunition (both
> are pretty high quality rounds...)?  Is this where I should keep
some of the "polar" stuff I
> see around in in my box?
>
> Also in watching some races live and over the net I've scene that
some people pull out the
> used clip right affter shooting and place it up, and others lieave
it in the action, and
> replace it as they come into shoot...what's the standard?
>
> thanks
>
> eric
>
> ems51@y...

Hello,

I know this gets washed over all the time, but hopefully this is a little
different. I was out
shooting today, using CCI green and a federal gold medal match.  With both
rounds we
would notice an occasional different sound as it was fired, much louder, much
softer,
etc...sometimes this would result in a shot very far off from the rest of the
group, other
times it would be right on...it was about 12 degrees F and I was shooting with
an anschutz
fortner sprint.  Was this due to the temperature or iregilarities in the
ammunition (both
are pretty high quality rounds...)?  Is this where I should keep some of the
"polar" stuff I
see around in in my box?

Also in watching some races live and over the net I've scene that some people
pull out the
used clip right affter shooting and place it up, and others lieave it in the
action, and
replace it as they come into shoot...what's the standard?

thanks

eric

ems51@...

Just in case members of this group are not aware:

Devin Manufacturing is selling a new biathlon practice target BT-200.
The web address is www.devinmfg.com. The design is worth checking out.

Anschutz is advertising a new laser rifle with biathlon target. Web
address is jga.anscheutz-sport.com.

Is precisionbiathlontargets still in business in Canada?

Ed

Hi Folks.  We are changing our new membership process to prevent the
unwelcome joining and posting/spamming of unwanted messages.
These "messages" clearly come from those who do not wish to be on the
group list apart from selling/bothering us with spam.  Those who wish
to be here to discuss biathlon will now have to be approved before
joining and posting.

I hope all your off-season training went well and you are ready for
snow.  I know I am.

I was a year short....Would have loved the opportunity to see either
of the races live...

Thanks for the info.

DC

Hi Folks,

Would someone post when there's biathlon coverage on OLN?

I've gone to the US Biathlon website and for the life of me I can't
figure out the dates.

Thanks,
Kevin

Darren

Biathlon is very popular in Europe. Consequently, competition to host
a IBU World Cup event is approximately equivalent to hosting the
Super Bowl in the United States. With a calendar of about 10 events
per year the openings fill quickly. This is one reason the U.S. does
not have a World Cup in 2005. I will guess that the 2004/2005
calendar was almost completed when Fort Kent held the World Cup.

The U.S. record for spectator attendance at a IBU World Cup was set
on March 6, 2004 in Fort Kent at approx. 6500 people. Not bad
considering Fort Kent has a population of about 4000. Lake Placid had
about 500 spectators the week before. In Europe it is common to have
40,000 spectators at any one event. 100,000 is not unusual. This is
the second reason for no U.S. event in 2005.

I will speculate that the U.S. will not hold a IBU World Cup in 2006
due to the Winter Olympics being held in Italy that year. And, I will
make a educated guess that Fort Kent will hold a IBU World Cup in
2007 or 2008 due to the attendance numbers from 2004.

Hi everyone,

Biathlon rookie here...Just entered my first summer biathlon over the
weekend.  Was surfing and found the 2004 Maine and Lake Placid World
Cup sites.  If I'm reading the IBU site correctly there doesn't
appear to be any U.S. events for 2005.  Is that correct?  Did the
2004 events not go well?  Does the U.S. usually have an event each
year?  I'm sure competition to hold an event on the World Cup
calendar is tought....

Just wondering...Thanks!

Darren
Philly, PA

Hello Fellow Biathletes!

    If you have received this email you are on my email list of area Biathletes. 
If you are not a member of the Washington Biathlon Association, please consider
becoming a member.  www.wabiathlon.org   Meanwhile, the rest of this is directed
at WBA members.  I am taking the initiative in sending this notice out because I
know that WBA Secretary, Bob Vallor, is out of town and can not do it.

    There had been a WBA Board meeting scheduled for Friday (tomorrow).  I have
just spoken with Chris Caviezel who tells me that Bob Vallor has been
unexpectedly called out of town.  Chris does not feel comfortable having the
meeting without Bob there and is canceling it.  The new meeting date will be
announced sometime next week, and will likely be between then and Nov. 1st.   As
I had only heard about this board meeting and election of officers on Wednesday
of this week, I think it is fine to postpone it a week or two to give everyone a
bit more time for discussion.

    As I understand it, the meeting and election of officers must take place
before Nov. 1st.  WBA memberships run from Nov. 1 to Nov. 1.  Anyone who has
sent in money recently to join the WBA becomes a member as of Nov. 1st,  and is
not eligible to vote in this election.  Apparently this was done by the board to
ensure that people voting in the elections had been members for a year, thinking
they would better know the people running and know more about the WBA.  If any
of you have joined recently and find you are not able to vote, this might be
something the board is asked to have another look at in the coming year.

    Sending in membership dues does not immediately make you member of the WBA. 
The board has to "approve" you for membership.  I do not know all the criteria
the board uses to approve or disapprove someone.  Chris told me that, of course,
if someone is a convicted felon and not eligible to own a firearm, that would be
grounds for disapproval.  In general, I think you have to be pretty bad to not
get approved.

    I will stay in touch with Chris and Bob and, perhaps, help in spreading the
word of the new date and place for elections.  I will suggest that it not to be
when we are all in Tacoma or Machias.   All of the board members have their
hearts in the right place.  Everyone wants to see Biathlon flourish in the
Pacific Northwest.  Communication is something we need to improve at.  (and I
could stand to improve my shooting!)

More info coming next week!

Jay Bender


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It is good to hear that USBA has a new president, Bill Lilly of
Fairport NY.  I have had the personal pleasure of working with Bill
in NYSSRA Nordic.  He has also been an incredible help to the Western
New York Biathlon Club, of which I am president.  I wish him the best
of luck, and I know that we are in good hands until 2006.

Hi folks.  Sorry about the recent messages spammed into our group
emails.  I will stay more diligent about what is posted and who joins
our group.  I hope everyone's off-season training is going well.  I
know I need to get more rollerski Km's in, but it is steady progress.

Shoot Straight!

Eric Jensen
Your Moderator

I just bought a Marlin 2000 target stock from www.e-gunparts.com.
Here's the link to the exact stock that I bought for $60.
http://www.e-gunparts.com/product.asp?chrProductSKU=925740

This stock will fit the Marlin Bolt action rifles with the clip
magazine pretty well. My Marlin 25N fit right in with only a few
modifications. I had to get longer bolts to fit the new stock and
widen one hole in the stock but that was it. I believe the barrel on
my 25N is a little smaller than the one that comes with the Marlin
2000 so I may need to glass bed it I think. I think that if you bought
one of Marlin's 22LR bull barrel bolt action guns that it might fit
this stock better. DOWNSIDE: the stock came without some of the
biathlon things I'd need like the gear to hook up a biathlon
harness/sling. I'll probably drill some holes or something like that.

Regarding target sights, I'll get the Lyman 90 MJT sight.
http://www.midwayusa.com/midwayusa/applications/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?Sal\
eItemID=863452
Some people say the Anschutz sights are way better but they're also
way more cash. You have to get the sight base to put the sight on and
I'll probably have to get a gunsmith to tap the holes. I'll probably
get a front sight as well to replace the blade on my 25N.
The cool thing about this setup guys is the price. I'm reluctant to
spend the money for an Anschutz yet but with this setup and some mods
it's not too pricey. The 25N Marlin cost me $160. The new stock $60.
New sights will be like $100 in total.

Might be a good way to get started and see if you like the sport.

I would like to pick up a rifle that would be good for biathlon
training, but ideally, would be a good multi-purpose rifle for the
woods. Does anyone own the Izhmash Basic Biathlon rifle? Opinions on
how good/bad it is? And since it comes without sights, any ideas how
much it would cost to get a decent set of peep sights put on it? Does
it make sense to spend up for the complete Izhmash kit or an
entry-level Anschutz?

http://www.eaacorp.com/firearms/rifles/targetrifles/biathlon_basic/table.shtml

Also, any opinions on the CZ-452? I know it is not a biathlon rifle,
but I have heard a lot of positive feedback on it. I don't own any
bolt .22 rifles whatsoever, so giving some thought to an inexpensive
rifle that will simply give me some practice trigger time. (Air rifles
are out where I live.)

Thanks!

Wayne

--- In biathlonnorthamerica@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Nealon <kevin@b...>
wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> > I am looking at purchasing a relatively inexpensive biathlon rifle for
> > training. I am new to the sport and want something obviously that
> > works, and once I get into the sport more gear up for more expesive
> > stuff once I am satisfied I deserve it.
>
> There are three inexpensive biathlon rifles I know of.
>
> Anschutz 1451: Under $350 without sights and sling/harness. The stock is
> something of a hybred between a sporter style and a target stock. It
has a
> two stage trigger with what feels like a five pound plull weight. I
have one
> for my daughter, works great.
>
> Anschutz 64R: Under $650 without sights and sling/harness. The stock
has a
> very short pull, so you may need some spacers. That said it's a lot
easier
> to shoot a stock that's too short than too long. This rifle can also
be had
> in a left hand version. The trigger is a 1.5Kg two stage. On a lark
I shot
> this in a 120 shot three position match and scored 1096, not great,
but not
> bad either.
>
> Besides sights and sling/harness, you will also need to purchase extra
> magazines and a holder for these rilfes.
>
> Anschutz Web site
<http://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/english.php?index2.htm>
>
> EAA Biathlon (Russian Izhmash Biathlon): $1,000 with sights,
magazine and
> holder. Also has an adjustable comb. I have no experience with this
rifle. I
> have been told that the IZH46M air pistol is a very sold performer,
so maybe
> they do have good build quality.
>
> http://www.eaacorp.com/firearms/rifles/targetrifles/biathlon/index.shtml
>
> Kevin