All the while T--- Tim will be singing "Tiptoe Thru the Tulips."

cyclstev@aol.com wrote:

What? No boundaries? GREAT!!! I'm taking off all my clothes now and running around the computer naked as I'm typing this and yes, I'm wearing a helmet in case I trip :-)

:-)

---

See what's free at AOL.com.

What? No boundaries? GREAT!!! I'm taking off all my clothes now and running around the computer naked as I'm typing this and yes, I'm wearing a helmet in case I trip :-)

:-)

---

See what's free at AOL.com.

I've told this story many times, but I bought my first
pair of cycling shorts at The Rest Stop, from Larry!
I returned to the store after Greg bought it and
introduced myself as a Bike Hiker.  I talked to Greg
about speaking at one of our club meetings.  He wasn't
the least bit enthused or interested.  I felt that way
everytime I shopped there and after awhile, I quit
going (unless I needed another mirror).  The Rest Stop
as we all knew it, became extinct when Larry and
Yvonne sold it.
--- timothy bartoe <fancylug2000@...> wrote:

>       I agree.  I think one of the reason's I fell
> in love with cycling to begin with was the feeling I
> got from members of the cycling community.  Larry
> and Yvonne always seemed to be ahead of that group.
>
>   Tim
>
> "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm@...> wrote:
>           IMHO, Larry & Yvonne were The Rest Stop.
> Greg didn't do anything to integrate himself into
> the cycling community like they did. Plus the 'hip'
> places to go now are the Bicycle Kitchen and the
> Bicycle Chef. And the club clothing is available at
> the Bicycle Chef.
>
>   Ken
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>   From: bhforum@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:bhforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> timothy bartoe
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 7:00 PM
> To: xcskiskater@...;
> bikehikers@yahoogroups.com; BHForum
> Subject: [bhforum] Re: [bikehikers] The Rest Stop to
> Close
>
>
>
>   I think he lost return customers due to his
> alienation of clubs like the bike hikers and
> wheelman.  I know when I'd go there in the past for
> club items I'd buy store items as well.  Maybe the
> lack of club members coming in cost him some money.
>  On top of that the whole idea of removing the club
> items was to free up space for merchandise.
> Merchandise that now had fewer people walking into
> the store to see.  This on top of other poor
> decisions (in my opinion) most likely contributed to
> this situation.  It's a shame if you ask me.  If I
> had the money I'd buy the rights to the store and
> continue it.  However, I'd put a full maintenance
> area in the shop as money from labor is just
> produced from sweat.  Not product less overhead.
>
>   Tim
>
>   xcskiskater@... wrote:
>         According to the News/Review, The Rest Stop
> is gearing up to close (sorry, couldn't resist the
> pun).
>
>   I'm curious as to the feelings and thoughts of
> this entire membership as to WHY.
>
>   Why is The Rest Stop going out of business??
>
>   Yes, change in ownership and management would come
> into this discussion. Was it because a lack of
> support of the shop to carry both Wheelpeople and
> BikeHikers gear? Did that piss off the "membership"
> at large?
>
>   Did the departure of Larry & Yvonne, et. al.
> contribute? Many employees stayed on, you know. I
> count those folks as fellow cyclists,
> brothers-in-arms, as it were. I trust in their
> expertise to advise me (or dissuade me) to a
> purchase.
>
>   Was it the changing landscape of bicycling today?
> Other shops opening, offering "better" deals?
> Slicker marketing? Bike repair as a service?
>
>   Or was it spite that drove members and others to
> avoid The Rest Stop? Did Greg have anything to do
> with that decision? This guy put his career, his
> financial status and future on the line to step into
> Larry's shoes. Mighty big, and intimidating, I'd be
> the first to admit.
>
>   Folks, I'm not looking for anything but serious
> intro- and retro-spective into this issue. A Bike
> Shop is closing, going out of business, which
> affects us ALL. And I live in Stockton, for Peet's
> sake (sorry, again couldn't resist the easy plug).
> And I travel to The Rest Stop to purchase most, but
> not ALL, of my bicycle products.
>
>   So why is The Rest Stop is going out of business?
>
>   Please, let's open a discussion, without getting
> nasty, into why this shop is closing. An open
> dialogue can benefit us all.
>
>   Gyunghi and Michael (okay, those with roots know
> me as Mickey)
>   Tandem in life
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>   Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car"
> smell?
> Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
>  Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

What? No boundaries? GREAT!!! I'm taking off all my clothes now and running around the computer naked as I'm typing this and yes, I'm wearing a helmet in case I trip :-)

:-)

---

See what's free at AOL.com.

This is getting way too philosophical.  Can we go back to talking about Tim?

 

Bruce

 

-----Original Message-----
From: bhforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bhforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Teri Hottman
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:29 PM
To: bhforum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bhforum] Rebels?

I agree.

--- timothy bartoe <fancylug2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

> No, that's the answer you get from someone who feels
> safe enough with who they are to express themselves
> freely.
>
> I can see this group as being more of a community
> forum where we can ask off topic questions. Ask for
> opinions without fear of being cut off by the
> moderators etc... I'm not saying the moderators
> overstepped their boundaries as they didn't they had
> a job and they did it the best they could at the
> time.
>
> With that being said though, I think the fact that
> this is a looser e-group will help use to learn more
> about fellow club members. I realize this club is
> about cycling but something that is ingrained in our
> sport is the social aspect. This group will be
> great to further foster that.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Tim
>
> Teri Hottman <hottjett@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is that the "politically correct"
> answer????
> --- timothy bartoe <fancylug2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Just people who feel safe enough with who they are
> > to express themselves freely is all.
> >
> >
> > andychandler2000 <achandler@apexweb.om> wrote:
> >
> >
> > "I never thought there were so many rebels."
> > Tim, go into a bit more detail. What do you mean?
> >
> > andy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car"
> smell?
> > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

I agree.  I think one of the reason's I fell in love with cycling to begin with was the feeling I got from members of the cycling community.  Larry and Yvonne always seemed to be ahead of that group.

 

Tim

"Montgomery, Ken" <kenm@...> wrote:

IMHO, Larry & Yvonne were The Rest Stop.  Greg didn't do anything to integrate himself into the cycling community like they did. Plus the 'hip' places to go now are the Bicycle Kitchen and the Bicycle Chef. And the club clothing is available at the Bicycle Chef.

 

Ken

---

From: bhforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bhforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of timothy bartoe
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 7:00 PM
To: xcskiskater@comcast.net; bikehikers@yahoogroups.com; BHForum
Subject: [bhforum] Re: [bikehikers] The Rest Stop to Close

I think he lost return customers due to his alienation of clubs like the bike hikers and wheelman.  I know when I'd go there in the past for club items I'd buy store items as well.  Maybe the lack of club members coming in cost him some money.   On top of that the whole idea of removing the club items was to free up space for merchandise.  Merchandise that now had fewer people walking into the store to see.  This on top of other poor decisions (in my opinion) most likely contributed to this situation.  It's a shame if you ask me.  If I had the money I'd buy the rights to the store and continue it.  However, I'd put a full maintenance area in the shop as money from labor is just produced from sweat.  Not product less overhead.

 

Tim

 

xcskiskater@comcast.net wrote:

According to the News/Review, The Rest Stop is gearing up to close (sorry, couldn't resist the pun).

 

I'm curious as to the feelings and thoughts of this entire membership as to WHY.

 

Why is The Rest Stop going out of business??

 

Yes, change in ownership and management would come into this discussion. Was it because a lack of support of the shop to carry both Wheelpeople and BikeHikers gear? Did that piss off the "membership" at large? 

 

Did the departure of Larry & Yvonne, et. al. contribute? Many employees stayed on, you know. I count those folks as fellow cyclists, brothers-in-arms, as it were. I trust in their expertise to advise me (or dissuade me) to a purchase.

 

Was it the changing landscape of bicycling today? Other shops opening, offering "better" deals? Slicker marketing? Bike repair as a service?

 

Or was it spite that drove members and others to avoid The Rest Stop? Did Greg have anything to do with that decision? This guy put his career, his financial status and future on the line to step into Larry's shoes. Mighty big, and intimidating, I'd be the first to admit.

 

Folks, I'm not looking for anything but serious intro- and retro-spective into this issue. A Bike Shop is closing, going out of business, which affects us ALL. And I live in Stockton, for Peet's sake (sorry, again couldn't resist the easy plug). And I travel to The Rest Stop to purchase most, but not ALL, of my bicycle products.

 

So why is The Rest Stop is going out of business?

 

Please, let's open a discussion, without getting nasty, into why this shop is closing. An open dialogue can benefit us all.

 

Gyunghi and Michael (okay, those with roots know me as Mickey)

Tandem in life

 

 

---

Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.

According to the News/Review, The Rest Stop is gearing up to close (sorry, couldn't resist the pun).

 

I'm curious as to the feelings and thoughts of this entire membership as to WHY.

 

Why is The Rest Stop going out of business??

 

Yes, change in ownership and management would come into this discussion. Was it because a lack of support of the shop to carry both Wheelpeople and BikeHikers gear? Did that piss off the "membership" at large? 

 

Did the departure of Larry & Yvonne, et. al. contribute? Many employees stayed on, you know. I count those folks as fellow cyclists, brothers-in-arms, as it were. I trust in their expertise to advise me (or dissuade me) to a purchase.

 

Was it the changing landscape of bicycling today? Other shops opening, offering "better" deals? Slicker marketing? Bike repair as a service?

 

Or was it spite that drove members and others to avoid The Rest Stop? Did Greg have anything to do with that decision? This guy put his career, his financial status and future on the line to step into Larry's shoes. Mighty big, and intimidating, I'd be the first to admit.

 

Folks, I'm not looking for anything but serious intro- and retro-spective into this issue. A Bike Shop is closing, going out of business, which affects us ALL. And I live in Stockton, for Peet's sake (sorry, again couldn't resist the easy plug). And I travel to The Rest Stop to purchase most, but not ALL, of my bicycle products.

 

So why is The Rest Stop is going out of business?

 

Please, let's open a discussion, without getting nasty, into why this shop is closing. An open dialogue can benefit us all.

 

Gyunghi and Michael (okay, those with roots know me as Mickey)

Tandem in life

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: bhforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bhforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Teri Hottman
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:29 PM
To: bhforum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bhforum] Rebels?

I agree.

--- timothy bartoe <fancylug2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

> No, that's the answer you get from someone who feels
> safe enough with who they are to express themselves
> freely.
>
> I can see this group as being more of a community
> forum where we can ask off topic questions. Ask for
> opinions without fear of being cut off by the
> moderators etc... I'm not saying the moderators
> overstepped their boundaries as they didn't they had
> a job and they did it the best they could at the
> time.
>
> With that being said though, I think the fact that
> this is a looser e-group will help use to learn more
> about fellow club members. I realize this club is
> about cycling but something that is ingrained in our
> sport is the social aspect. This group will be
> great to further foster that.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Tim
>
> Teri Hottman <hottjett@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is that the "politically correct"
> answer????
> --- timothy bartoe <fancylug2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Just people who feel safe enough with who they are
> > to express themselves freely is all.
> >
> >
> > andychandler2000 <achandler@apexweb.om> wrote:
> >
> >
> > "I never thought there were so many rebels."
> > Tim, go into a bit more detail. What do you mean?
> >
> > andy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car"
> smell?
> > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

According to the News/Review, The Rest Stop is gearing up to close (sorry, couldn't resist the pun).

 

I'm curious as to the feelings and thoughts of this entire membership as to WHY.

 

Why is The Rest Stop going out of business??

 

Yes, change in ownership and management would come into this discussion. Was it because a lack of support of the shop to carry both Wheelpeople and BikeHikers gear? Did that piss off the "membership" at large? 

 

Did the departure of Larry & Yvonne, et. al. contribute? Many employees stayed on, you know. I count those folks as fellow cyclists, brothers-in-arms, as it were. I trust in their expertise to advise me (or dissuade me) to a purchase.

 

Was it the changing landscape of bicycling today? Other shops opening, offering "better" deals? Slicker marketing? Bike repair as a service?

 

Or was it spite that drove members and others to avoid The Rest Stop? Did Greg have anything to do with that decision? This guy put his career, his financial status and future on the line to step into Larry's shoes. Mighty big, and intimidating, I'd be the first to admit.

 

Folks, I'm not looking for anything but serious intro- and retro-spective into this issue. A Bike Shop is closing, going out of business, which affects us ALL. And I live in Stockton, for Peet's sake (sorry, again couldn't resist the easy plug). And I travel to The Rest Stop to purchase most, but not ALL, of my bicycle products.

 

So why is The Rest Stop is going out of business?

 

Please, let's open a discussion, without getting nasty, into why this shop is closing. An open dialogue can benefit us all.

 

Gyunghi and Michael (okay, those with roots know me as Mickey)

Tandem in life

 

 

I agree.

--- timothy bartoe <fancylug2000@...> wrote:

> No, that's the answer you get from someone who feels
> safe enough with who they are to express themselves
> freely.
>
>   I can see this group as being more of a community
> forum where we can ask off topic questions.  Ask for
> opinions without fear of being cut off by the
> moderators etc... I'm not saying the moderators
> overstepped their boundaries as they didn't they had
> a job and they did it the best they could at the
> time.
>
>   With that being said though, I think the fact that
> this is a looser e-group will help use to learn more
> about fellow club members.  I realize this club is
> about cycling but something that is ingrained in our
> sport is the social aspect.  This group will be
> great to further foster that.
>
>   Sincerely,
>
>
>   Tim
>
> Teri Hottman <hottjett@...> wrote:
>           Is that the "politically correct"
> answer????
> --- timothy bartoe <fancylug2000@...> wrote:
>
> > Just people who feel safe enough with who they are
> > to express themselves freely is all.
> >
> >
> > andychandler2000 <achandler@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > "I never thought there were so many rebels."
> > Tim, go into a bit more detail. What do you mean?
> >
> > andy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car"
> smell?
> > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
>  Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Is that the "politically correct" answer????
--- timothy bartoe <fancylug2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Just people who feel safe enough with who they are
> to express themselves freely is all.
>
>
> andychandler2000 <achandler@apexweb.om> wrote:
>
>
> "I never thought there were so many rebels."
> Tim, go into a bit more detail. What do you mean?
>
> andy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Is that the "politically correct" answer????
--- timothy bartoe <fancylug2000@...> wrote:

> Just people who feel safe enough with who they are
> to express themselves freely is all.
>
>
>     andychandler2000 <achandler@...> wrote:
>
>
> "I never thought there were so many rebels."
> Tim, go into a bit more detail. What do you mean?
>
> andy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
>  Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

"I never thought there were so many rebels."
Tim, go into a bit more detail. What do you mean?

andy

"I never thought there were so many rebels."
Tim, go into a bit more detail. What do you mean?

andy

No, Tim, we were talking about you.

 

Bruce

 

-----Original Message-----
From: bhforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bhforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Timothy Bartoe
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:37 AM
To: bhforum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bhforum] Re: Secret content of the lost messages

--- In bhforum@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Chandler" <achandler@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> These messages consisted of relatively few secrets and many
statements that are perhaps less prestigious than one would expect from
Moderators, Officers and staff.
>
> andy
>

Yes, I think one said, neener neener ha ha. The other said, liar liar
pants on fire.

Sorry, couldn't help it. Glad to see the group trying this with self
moderation. I hope it works. It will be especially useful to discuss
bike related things that are not really club items.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: bhforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bhforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Timothy Bartoe
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:37 AM
To: bhforum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bhforum] Re: Secret content of the lost messages

--- In bhforum@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Chandler" <achandler@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> These messages consisted of relatively few secrets and many
statements that are perhaps less prestigious than one would expect from
Moderators, Officers and staff.
>
> andy
>

Yes, I think one said, neener neener ha ha. The other said, liar liar
pants on fire.

Sorry, couldn't help it. Glad to see the group trying this with self
moderation. I hope it works. It will be especially useful to discuss
bike related things that are not really club items.

Tim

--- In bhforum@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Chandler" <achandler@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> These messages consisted of relatively few secrets and many
statements that are perhaps less prestigious than one would expect from
Moderators, Officers and staff.
>
> andy
>

Yes, I think one said, neener neener ha ha.  The other said, liar liar
pants on fire.

Sorry, couldn't help it.  Glad to see the group trying this with self
moderation.  I hope it works.  It will be especially useful to discuss
bike related things that are not really club items.

Tim

--- In bhforum@yahoogroups.com, "knobbytracks" <bmorrical@...> wrote:
>
> Is it just me or are the eleven messages from November and Deceber
off
> limits?  Kinda hoping they're off limits 'cause I know what's in them.
>
> Bruce
>

Well, it wasn't me.  That's all I can say

Tim

And after all, aren't we allowed a little fun too? But we would NEVER
take any personal shots..8^)

Actually, I'm too busy with compiling and converting photos from the
Party Pardee for the website.

Ken

________________________________

From: bhforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bhforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Andrew Chandler
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:05 PM
To: BhForum
Subject: [bhforum] Re: Secret content of the lost messages


Steve,

These messages consisted of relatively few secrets and many statements
that are perhaps less prestigious than one would expect from Moderators,
Officers and staff.

andy

Bruce,
Well now you have gone and done it. You got me interested in the
November/December messages. I tried to access them and darn it, I
wasn't able to. So now I have been greatly disappointed and the secrets
of those messages will be locked away forever.
Steve

Bruce,
The old posts to which you speak are not 'off limits', they are in
message heaven, not to be see again.

:)

andy

Is it just me or are the eleven messages from November and Deceber off
limits?  Kinda hoping they're off limits 'cause I know what's in them.

Bruce