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Re: welding help

--- In bentechriders@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Lenarz" <n9viw@...> wrote:
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> --- In bentechriders@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <obsidian_nj@> wrote:
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> >
> > BTW, 4130 steel does not need any kind of heat treatment before
> > welding. It can and should be welded as is. Heating an alloy like
> > 4130 to a high temperature would cause the metal to loose strength.
> <SNIP>
> > Jim
> >
>
> So, you're saying that heat-treating 4130 (at least as regards bicycle
> building) is unnecessary? That's a relief! I have a Schwinn Sierra
> with the front triangle made out of 4130, and wanted to use it for a
> project. I was concerned about embrittlement, not annealing, in the HAZ.
>
> Of course, here I come with the curveball: I don't have a TIG welder,
> and while I do have access to a welding group, I don't want to spend
> that kind of money. Now, can I reliably weld 4130 with, say, 7014 arc
> rod, and still not worry about damaging the tubing due to heat flux?
>
This is my first post on here and maybe I am wrong. I have heard that
if you use mig to weld 4130 you should anneal the welds. I have read
this a number of times about frame building with 4130. You wouldn't
have to heat treat the whole frame. Just anneal the welded parts.




Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:40 pm

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I'm looking for some help with the welding. I had a welder/machine shop do some work about a year ago and it was sloppy. Would a muffler shop be a better way...
midwestbike
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Feb 23, 2008
2:16 pm

try looking up your local EAA chapter. Go to EAAs website and look for chapters in your area. Many are skilled oxy-acetylene welders and can do an excellant...
Dennis Engelkenjohn
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Feb 23, 2008
4:44 pm

The EAA Chapter suggestion was good advice. For your area that would be chapter 868 and they have a website: http://www.eaa868.org/jooma/ I also found that the...
Jim
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Feb 24, 2008
3:33 pm

A better bet than a muffler shop would be a machining and fabrication shop, look them up in the yellow pages. They won't have the appropriate jigs to hold your...
Nick Lenarz
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Feb 24, 2008
3:42 pm

Jim, I'm just guessing here, but I take it you are in the Kansas City area? I am in St.Louis, MO. dennis ... From: Jim To: bentechriders@yahoogroups.com Sent:...
Dennis Engelkenjohn
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Feb 24, 2008
9:50 pm

I have found that race car builders and performance shops are the best places. They weld 4130 tubing daily and the techniques for building race cars and bikes...
William &Jacquilla Gi...
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Feb 25, 2008
5:44 pm

... City area? I am in St.Louis, MO. ... No, I'm in New Jersey. I just like doing research and helping people out. BTW, 4130 steel does not need any kind of...
Jim
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Feb 26, 2008
12:55 am

... <SNIP> ... So, you're saying that heat-treating 4130 (at least as regards bicycle building) is unnecessary? That's a relief! I have a Schwinn Sierra with...
Nick Lenarz
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Feb 26, 2008
5:57 pm

... Here is a really good explanation on welding 4130. I would not weld 4130 with a stick welder. If you TIG, using ers309 stainless wire works really well. ...
William &Jacquilla Gi...
wj_gillette
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Mar 4, 2008
1:48 am

Nick, If you're going to use 4130, TIG or gas welding is the way to go. I agree with Bill that stick welding isn't recommended for 4130. You said "reliably...
Jim
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Mar 4, 2008
3:31 am

... This is my first post on here and maybe I am wrong. I have heard that if you use mig to weld 4130 you should anneal the welds. I have read this a number of...
bretnemeth
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Jun 20, 2008
9:40 pm

... First I would ask "Why?" then I would ask "How?" Why would you need to anneal a MIG welded 4130 joint? If the fear is a brittle joint, then why not use one...
Jim
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Jun 24, 2008
3:24 pm

One more thing... In thinking along the lines of bicycles and people who fabricate I forgot to suggest something really basic - welding schools. It's been a...
Jim
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Feb 26, 2008
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