Just a follow up because I always seem to get some feedback whenever I post
about raking or blowing off organic materials from the trail beds this time
of year.



Yes, trails free and clear of organic materials make better, more
sustainable trails. It's pure science. And, not the rocket variety.



Leaving organics on the trails does not "help" them in any way. With the
occasional exceptions when the soils are really rocky or gravelly and some
organic helps bind it together. Though, this is fairly rare. Even around
here.

Organics retain moisture and thus break down into classic PNW  "goo". This
keeps the moisture on the trail bed and does not allow it to sheet or funnel
off. This also keeps the trails from drying out faster one the rains abate.
Blowers also do a better job getting the organics that make their way
through the tines of a rake.



The trails in the area which are the most sustainable have the least amount
of deciduous growth (lot o' leaves) and typically more gravelly soils. Think
Griffin versus Beaver Lake for example.



So, whether on an organized work party or on your own, anyone can do a big
help by clearing drains on your rides or getting out with a leaf rake or
"gasp" a leaf blower and ensure that the local trail systems we enjoy so
much are in their best shape during the wet season and will recover quicker
in the spring. Even using a shoe to kick out the  small mud berms that form
in low spots this time of year can be helpful by allowing standing water to
clear the trail bed. And, lastly, to the 2 cycle nay sayers, I simply say,
if you want to rake a trail all day long that can get blown off in less than
an hour, go for it...



Thanks,



BBq



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Wait a second! People get the day off work for Veteran's day?

Who knew?

--- In bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com, raymond hobi <raymondtrainerironmind@...>
wrote:
>
> I went out to Skookum on Veteran's Day (which happens to be my birthday).
Where were
> you all. I didn't see one other person, hiker or mtn biker, all day. I did see
plenty of skiers
> and snowboarders up at Crystal. Could it be that you've all given up riding,
this early in the
> year? Has every fair weather cyclist logged on to www.technoslave.com,
becoming scraggly haired, paunchy M&M eating video geeks playing "Warcraft" or
some other
> equally useless video game? Eyes glassed over and mind numb from too much time
> staring at a bright, unblinking computer screen? Texting meaningless messages
> to supposed friends or accquaintances who could really care less? Tweeting to
anyone
> who will listen the intricacies of your last bowel movement? What's the
matter, honey.
> Do you want your mommy to bundle you up and send you out into the frightening
world
> with a cup of hot cocoa? Wait a minute. I know. Let me go out and buy you a
sun dress
> and a parasol so you can sashay your pretty little self about the town square!
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Cold and clear up top. Not many people at all out ( 1 equestrian and one
group of 3 on the climb) and good trail conditions overall. Safety First had
the most puddles. Bucket brigade time again.Gun Range had a light dusting of
snow so despite not heading up to the pass this morning, I still got some
first tracks. ;) Bandwagon is riding in really well and makes for a great
singletrack climb back up to the 30130 road. All in all, good conditions
like usual and a quick group meant all the usuals and back to the TH in just
a couple hours. No new blow downs either which is always nice.



Back in time for the kid's soccer game too. Family support bo-nus!



BBq



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I'm trying to keep my tires clean for the Macy's Parade.




________________________________
From: raymond hobi <raymondtrainerironmind@...>
To: mountain bike <bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: raymondtrainerironmind@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 2:12:26 PM
Subject: Skookum's last stand


I went out to Skookum on Veteran's Day (which happens to be my birthday). Where
were
you all. I didn't see one other person, hiker or mtn biker, all day. I did see
plenty of skiers
and snowboarders up at Crystal. Could it be that you've all given up riding,
this early in the
year? Has every fair weather cyclist logged on to www.technoslave. com, becoming
scraggly haired, paunchy M&M eating video geeks playing "Warcraft" or some other
equally useless video game? Eyes glassed over and mind numb from too much time
staring at a bright, unblinking computer screen? Texting meaningless messages
to supposed friends or accquaintances who could really care less? Tweeting to
anyone
who will listen the intricacies of your last bowel movement? What's the matter,
honey.
Do you want your mommy to bundle you up and send you out into the frightening
world
with a cup of hot cocoa? Wait a minute. I know. Let me go out and buy you a sun
dress
and a parasol so you can sashay your pretty little self about the town square!

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North end PV aficionados will notice that the Southern Traverse and Cedar
Run are back down to the good mineral soils for the winter. Hopefully more
clearing to come.

Of note is the section East of the Lloyd Trail junction (The old,
"Crossover" Trail.) that could use a de-mucking with a shovel if anyone can
get to that. The rest is in pretty good shape!



BBq



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I went out to Skookum on Veteran's Day (which happens to be my birthday). Where
were
you all. I didn't see one other person, hiker or mtn biker, all day. I did see
plenty of skiers
and snowboarders up at Crystal. Could it be that you've all given up riding,
this early in the
year? Has every fair weather cyclist logged on to www.technoslave.com, becoming
scraggly haired, paunchy M&M eating video geeks playing "Warcraft" or some other
equally useless video game? Eyes glassed over and mind numb from too much time
staring at a bright, unblinking computer screen? Texting meaningless messages
to supposed friends or accquaintances who could really care less? Tweeting to
anyone
who will listen the intricacies of your last bowel movement? What's the matter,
honey.
Do you want your mommy to bundle you up and send you out into the frightening
world
with a cup of hot cocoa? Wait a minute. I know. Let me go out and buy you a sun
dress
and a parasol so you can sashay your pretty little self about the town square!




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I was going to do my best to attend this one.

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 3:36 PM, PETERSON, PRESTON J (ATTSI) <pp7551@...
> wrote:

>
>
> I feel bad but its not my fault - I posted a Reiter Pit meeting about 2
> weeks ago but that meeting ended up not being that important - it was
> mostly for discussing the closure of the Reiter riding area for the
> winter for reclamation activities. This meeting is really the one to
> attend ont eh future of the Pit. I've looked at the plan and its
> prettery generic. It does have a set aside area specifically for bicycle
> recreation but the general plan is pretty vague. I will be attending
> this meeting as its our chance to talk directly to the DNR folk. It
> looks okay for bicyclists, although I lament the loss of the last fun,
> freewheeling outdoor area in the PNW, as they are now moving towards a
> formal recreation plan complete with the normal enforcement and
> excessive regulation that seems to be required for anyplace near large
> metro areas.
>
> Here is the url for the recreation plan:
>
> http://www.dnr.wa.gov/ResearchScience/Topics/SEPANonProject/Pages/amp_se
> pa_nonpro_reiter_jan.aspx
>
> After I attend the meeting (and I encourage all of you to attend and see
> what is up or at least read the recreation plan) I will post up a
> reminder to comment with some salient points. Even though the plan is
> generic and favorable to bicyclists, it is important to "keep up the
> pressure" and make sure they know there is a lot of us interested and
> supportive of bicycle opportunites.
>
> Keep in mind that although most of you haven't ridden Reiter because its
> always been a gnarly challenging place, as this plan goes forward there
> will be regular normal singletrack trails being built for cyclists with
> no motorized use, and the views and terrain are awesome , and its only
> 50 minutes from the eastside, so it represents an enormous opportunity
> for some close in "backcountry" style riding.
>
> here are the details on the meeting:
>
> OLYMPIA - The Washington State Department of Natural Resources (DNR)
> will host a public meeting to provide information and receive public
> comments on a draft recreation plan for the Reiter Foothills Forest.
> Reiter Foothills Forest is a popular recreation area located in eastern
> Snohomish County near Gold Bar and Index.
>
> When: Wednesday, November 18, 6:30 to 8 p.m.
>
> Where: The Commons, Monroe High School, 17001 Tester Rd., Monroe In
> 2007,
>
> The Washington State Legislature recognized the challenges of managing
> recreational use at Reiter Foothills Forest and funded DNR's development
> of a sustainable recreation plan. For the past two years, DNR has worked
> with a diverse group of stakeholders-including citizens, user groups,
> representatives from conservation groups, and local officials-to create
> a recreation plan that identifies long-term recreation uses and
> addresses problems in the area. The DNR recreation plan is here :
> http://www.dnr.wa.gov/ResearchScience/Topics/SEPANonProject/Pages/amp_se
> pa_nonpro_reiter_jan.aspx DNR is requesting feedback from the public
> about the findings and recommendations in this plan. In conjunction with
> the public review of the plan, DNR is also conducting an official State
> Environmental Policy Act (SEPA) process. The public comment period runs
> from November 10 through December 4. For more information about the
> meeting, contact Candace Johnson, 360-854-2803 or
> candace.johnson@... <candace.johnson%40dnr.wa.gov>. The public can
> provide all written comments
> about the Reiter Foothills Forest Recreation Plan or the SEPA
> environmental analysis to: Washington State Department of Natural
> Resources SEPA Center PO Box 47105 Olympia, WA 98504
> sepacenter@... <sepacenter%40dnr.wa.gov>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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I feel bad but its not my fault - I posted a Reiter Pit meeting about 2
weeks ago but that meeting ended up not being that important - it was
mostly for discussing the closure of the Reiter riding area for the
winter for reclamation activities. This meeting is really the one to
attend ont eh future of the Pit. I've looked at the plan and its
prettery generic. It does have a set aside area specifically for bicycle
recreation but the general plan is pretty vague. I will be attending
this meeting as its our chance to talk directly to the DNR folk. It
looks okay for bicyclists, although I lament the loss of the last fun,
freewheeling outdoor area in the PNW, as they are now moving towards a
formal recreation plan complete with the normal enforcement and
excessive regulation that seems to be required for anyplace near large
metro areas.



Here is the url for the recreation plan:



http://www.dnr.wa.gov/ResearchScience/Topics/SEPANonProject/Pages/amp_se
pa_nonpro_reiter_jan.aspx



After I attend the meeting (and I encourage all of you to attend and see
what is up or at least read the recreation plan) I will post up a
reminder to comment with some salient points. Even though the plan is
generic and favorable to bicyclists, it is important to "keep up the
pressure" and make sure they know there is a lot of us interested and
supportive of bicycle opportunites.



Keep in mind that although most of you haven't ridden Reiter because its
always been a gnarly challenging place, as this plan goes forward there
will be regular normal singletrack trails being built for cyclists with
no motorized use, and the views and terrain are awesome , and its only
50 minutes from the eastside, so it represents an enormous opportunity
for some close in "backcountry" style riding.



here are the details on the meeting:



OLYMPIA - The Washington State Department of Natural Resources (DNR)
will host a public meeting to provide information and receive public
comments on a draft recreation plan for the Reiter Foothills Forest.
Reiter Foothills Forest is a popular recreation area located in eastern
Snohomish County near Gold Bar and Index.



  When: Wednesday, November 18, 6:30 to 8 p.m.



Where: The Commons, Monroe High School, 17001 Tester Rd., Monroe In
2007,



The Washington State Legislature recognized the challenges of managing
recreational use at Reiter Foothills Forest and funded DNR's development
of a sustainable recreation plan. For the past two years, DNR has worked
with a diverse group of stakeholders-including citizens, user groups,
representatives from conservation groups, and local officials-to create
a recreation plan that identifies long-term recreation uses and
addresses problems in the area. The DNR recreation plan is here :
http://www.dnr.wa.gov/ResearchScience/Topics/SEPANonProject/Pages/amp_se
pa_nonpro_reiter_jan.aspx DNR is requesting feedback from the public
about the findings and recommendations in this plan. In conjunction with
the public review of the plan, DNR is also conducting an official State
Environmental Policy Act (SEPA) process. The public comment period runs
from November 10 through December 4. For more information about the
meeting, contact Candace Johnson, 360-854-2803 or
candace.johnson@.... The public can provide all written comments
about the Reiter Foothills Forest Recreation Plan or the SEPA
environmental analysis to: Washington State Department of Natural
Resources SEPA Center PO Box 47105 Olympia, WA 98504
sepacenter@...









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Hey we are using a soil stabilizer at a trailhead we are building.  From
the tests we have done the stuff we have it doesn't really harden as
much as coagulate and consolidate particles.  We have yet to do any
major mechanical compaction on it to see if that changes anything and at
this point it may be spring before we can (snowing now).  But from what
I have seen and from what I understand about the product it will do a
lot of good in reducing the dust and holding together the soils.
Actual "hardening" is still to be seen.   Biggest variable is the soil
you started with, moon dust may still be moon dust at this point.  All
that said I'm willing to bet (not an the eat the turd bet) that it would
improve the situation at Colonnade.



Patrick Walker

Trails Coordinator

Chelan-Douglas Land Trust

patrick@...

cell (509) 668-2626

office (509) 667-9708



Join my Trails mailing list <http://eepurl.com/eO15>





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Brent is correct. As per the signage at the entrances "Trails are
closed. Graveled roads are open," just like in previous years.

I rode a long road loop there Sunday, and parked at one of the
'alternate' entrances that goes into the road network. I did see a car
with bikes unloading at 300th St though, and that entrance really
doesn't go into the road network, so there's a good chance they were
poaching trails. Didn't see anyone inside except for one lone hiker.

If you're looking to ride trails up there, Armstrong and Pilchuck
tracts' singletrack is open year round... but not Victoria Tract's.

Ross

-------------------------------

>
> I thought the trails were closed, but the forest roads were open?
>
> > To: bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com <mailto:bbtcmembers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > From: slwmorcr@... <mailto:slwmorcr%40yahoo.com>
> > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:49:03 +0000
> > Subject: Victoria Tract
> >
> > Just got an email from one of the ladies on the PRA. People are
> parking right next to the trail closed signs and continuing on their
> merry way up the trails.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > Do you support the BBTC? Please help us protect and create trails
> through your donation or volunteer effort. http://bbtc.org/support
> <http://bbtc.org/support>
> >
> > Have questions, comments, or concerns? Please contact us; see
> http://bbtc.org/contact <http://bbtc.org/contact> for contact info.
> >
> > This is an un-moderated forum hosted by BBTC. No comments on this
> list should be construed as official announcements of the BBTC unless
> otherwise noted.Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
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>

 Come on out and have some fun!
 Pace will depend on group, only a hammerfest if no one shows up!
 email back for more detail.
Courtland


       LIVE  STRONG     




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Easton Recalling Bikes with EA30 Stems


WASHINGTON, D.C. (BRAIN)—The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in
cooperation with Easton Sports, has announced a voluntary recall on about 6,400
bikes with EA30 stems.

The bicycle stem can crack and cause the rider to lose control, posing a risk of
serious injury if the rider falls. The company received a report of a stem
breaking, causing a minor injury to the rider.

This recall involves all Raleigh 2007, XXIX 700c MTN, RX1.0, Diamondback 2007,
Mission, and Sortie bicycles with EA30 stems. The EA30 stems are black with
white-and-gray graphics and feature a four-bolt stem face cap."EA30" is printed
on the stem. EA30 stems sold as aftermarket items are included in this recall.

They were sold at independent bicycle dealers nationwide from August 2007
through August 2009 for between $500 and $1,200. Aftermarket stems were sold
from August 2007 through September 2009 for about $30. The stems were
manufactured in China.

Consumers should immediately stop riding the bicycles and contact any authorized
Easton Sports for a free replacement stem.

Consumer Contact: For more information, contact Easton Sports toll-free at (866)
892-6059 between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. CT Monday through Friday or visit the firm's
Web site at www.eastonbike.com.
Easton Recalling Bikes with EA30 Stems


WASHINGTON, D.C. (BRAIN)—The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in
cooperation with Easton Sports, has announced a voluntary recall on about 6,400
bikes with EA30 stems.

The bicycle stem can crack and cause the rider to lose control, posing a risk of
serious injury if the rider falls. The company received a report of a stem
breaking, causing a minor injury to the rider.

This recall involves all Raleigh 2007, XXIX 700c MTN, RX1.0, Diamondback 2007,
Mission, and Sortie bicycles with EA30 stems. The EA30 stems are black with
white-and-gray graphics and feature a four-bolt stem face cap."EA30" is printed
on the stem. EA30 stems sold as aftermarket items are included in this recall.

They were sold at independent bicycle dealers nationwide from August 2007
through August 2009 for between $500 and $1,200. Aftermarket stems were sold
from August 2007 through September 2009 for about $30. The stems were
manufactured in China.

Consumers should immediately stop riding the bicycles and contact any authorized
Easton Sports for a free replacement stem.

Consumer Contact: For more information, contact Easton Sports toll-free at (866)
892-6059 between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. CT Monday through Friday or visit the firm's
Web site at www.eastonbike.com.
Easton Recalling Bikes with EA30 Stems


WASHINGTON, D.C. (BRAIN)—The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in
cooperation with Easton Sports, has announced a voluntary recall on about 6,400
bikes with EA30 stems.

The bicycle stem can crack and cause the rider to lose control, posing a risk of
serious injury if the rider falls. The company received a report of a stem
breaking, causing a minor injury to the rider.

This recall involves all Raleigh 2007, XXIX 700c MTN, RX1.0, Diamondback 2007,
Mission, and Sortie bicycles with EA30 stems. The EA30 stems are black with
white-and-gray graphics and feature a four-bolt stem face cap."EA30" is printed
on the stem. EA30 stems sold as aftermarket items are included in this recall.

They were sold at independent bicycle dealers nationwide from August 2007
through August 2009 for between $500 and $1,200. Aftermarket stems were sold
from August 2007 through September 2009 for about $30. The stems were
manufactured in China.

Consumers should immediately stop riding the bicycles and contact any authorized
Easton Sports for a free replacement stem.

Consumer Contact: For more information, contact Easton Sports toll-free at (866)
892-6059 between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. CT Monday through Friday or visit the firm's
Web site at www.eastonbike.com.

http://www.bicycleretailer.com/news/newsDetail/3402.html





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I thought the trails were closed, but the forest roads were open?

> To: bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com
> From: slwmorcr@...
> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:49:03 +0000
> Subject: Victoria Tract
>
> Just got an email from one of the ladies on the PRA. People are parking right
next to the trail closed signs and continuing on their merry way up the trails.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> Do you support the BBTC? Please help us protect and create trails through your
donation or volunteer effort. http://bbtc.org/support
>
> Have questions, comments, or concerns? Please contact us; see
http://bbtc.org/contact for contact info.
>
> This is an un-moderated forum hosted by BBTC. No comments on this list should
be construed as official announcements of the BBTC unless otherwise noted.Yahoo!
Groups Links
>
>
>

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No, that's not the prison train to Yuma.  Its the runtime I got out of my
Magicshine battery tonight with the light on high beam.  It was an indoors
static test.  Battery had been sitting around (off the charger) for a week or
more.

Kevin
"A Caffeinated Hophead"





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Has anyone heard of or had experience with this brand?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9406310/2009-Quad-Oem-Catalog

Mark K.

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I'm not the best at describing, especially something subjective like light
output which can vary to each individuals eyes.
I tried using my Gopro Hero camera to film the light, but the little camera
just can't pick up what you see in person at night. With two lights running,
I never felt like I didn't have enough light, but I'm also pretty slow.

Riding around Paradise at night with a full moon peeking behind the clouds I
was sure to run into a werewolf but only ran into a couple who were enjoying
the cool night air on their bikes as well.

I hadn't ridden single track at night before and I felt it was a whole other
way to experience the bike, it kind of felt like learning to ride for the
first time, I felt fairly clumsy. I think being able to see everything in
daylight, your eyes pick up nuances of the trail subconsciously and at night
you don't, so I didn't feel like I rode as smooth as I had riding during the
day on the exact same trails. I sort of wish the rain would hold off so that
I could go ride again, but I also want it to snow so that I can hit the
slopes. Oh the hardships of living in the PNW!

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Dan O'Connell <yoeddy@...> wrote:

>
>
> I missed the beginning of this email string. You're talking about the
> Magicshine lights - correct? I know Len ordered a set the same time I did.
>
> I'm impressed with the lights so far. A killer deal for the dough. If you
> haven't seen 'em, some pics on my blog:
> http://yoeddy.blogspot.com/2009/11/magicshine-lights.html
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 11, 2009, at 10:52PM, "lenfrancies" <
> len.francies@... <len.francies%40comcast.net>> wrote:
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Hi All, I'm selling an as new On Guard Beast Chain Bike Lock in as new
condition for 50 dollars.I have two of these for sale; they sell for
90.00 dollars retail. If you want / need the best protection from a bike
lock, please buy this one. The On Guard Beast is rated as being one of
the best sources of protection you can buy for your bike. Do I hear 50
dollars going once, twice:>).
bobh

I missed the beginning of this email string.  You're talking about the
Magicshine lights - correct?  I know Len ordered a set the same time I did.

I'm impressed with the lights so far.  A killer deal for the dough.  If you
haven't seen 'em, some pics on my blog:
http://yoeddy.blogspot.com/2009/11/magicshine-lights.html

Dan



On Wednesday, November 11, 2009, at 10:52PM, "lenfrancies"
<len.francies@...> wrote:
>


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I'm with Troy and KevinA. I was out last eve at Tolt and rode at medium setting
of 500 lumens. The only time I needed the high setting was about 12-15mph on
long straight sections. Bright white center spot with nice edge fill all around
the circular lamp shape. Like Troy I ordered my 2nd unit for bars/redundancy.

Just in case anyone is in the market. :)



Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:45:58 -0500
From: biking@...
Subject: 5'5" to 5'9"














Dear Susan,






I know it is not normal to organize your Christmas list by height. However, if
there is anyone on your list that is between 5'5" and 5'9"--and you really
really love them, why not get them a bike for Christmas?

We have mostly mediums left from our 2009 rental fleet of Specialized FSR XC
Comps, and they are going for $895, including shipping. All you'll need is a
bow.

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Hi I have a Blackspire ring god 94BCD five hole that I have never used...but it
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: SPAM - Free Brakes & Bike Rack
From: "Ray David" <ray@...>
Date: Tue, November 10, 2009 6:19 pm
To: "EMBA Group list " <bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com>

   I have a set of Hayes Nine brakes that came off of a used 2006
Heckler.
They immediately came off the bike so I can't attest to how well they
work. They do look well used though. One of the levers has some
serious paint missing. They come with 8" rotors and brackets. I also
have an original Sportworks Mod series hitch rack with both a 2" and a 1
1/4" hitch mount (please take both mounts). This is the one with the
wire type of cage for the front wheel. It works great with XC tires,
but when you get up about 2.3" tires, you have to let some air out to
get them in the tray. You can pick up the brakes either in White Center
or near U-Village. The bike rack you have to pick up in White Center.

--
XC is for those that are afraid of crashing.

I have a set of Hayes Nine brakes that came off of a used 2006 Heckler.
They immediately came off the bike so I can't attest to how well they
work.  They do look well used though.  One of the levers has some
serious paint missing.  They come with 8" rotors and brackets.  I also
have an original Sportworks Mod series hitch rack with both a 2" and a 1
1/4" hitch mount (please take both mounts).  This is the one with the
wire type of cage for the front wheel.  It works great with XC tires,
but when you get up about 2.3" tires, you have to let some air out to
get them in the tray.  You can pick up the brakes either in White Center
or near U-Village.  The bike rack you have to pick up in White Center.



--
XC is for those that are afraid of crashing.

With the wet and rainy season upon us (and the higher elevations in the
Cascades snowed in!)  I've been visiting the lowland areas and
although wet they do have their own appeal.Riding through a thick forest
dripping with rain you feel like you're the only person in the
world.



Taylor Mountain near Hobart has over 33 miles of trails that include
some tremendous views in addition to the normal western Washington maze
of ferns and pines.



At any rate Taylor has two main access points and the rideable area has
been expanded since King Co. has acquired land that stretches from
Taylor to Rattlesnake Lake. What this means is that the view point at
the top of Taylor is legal now!



On my trips to Taylor to collect data I only saw a couple of other trail
users so if solitude is your thing then these trails may be great for
you!



Free Complete Taylor Mountain Trail Information is HERE
<http://www.trailmeister.com/Washington/TaylorMnt/Taylormnt.htm>
including updated trail maps!



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These are really cool photos in some really cool places...but every one of these
guys is obviously way too cool to wear a helmet.....



I wish I could ride well enough to know I wasn't going to crash so I didn't
have to wear my helmet all the time. : )




----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Walsh" <dougwalsh@...>
To: "BBTC Listserve" <bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:30:04 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Awesome BMX Photo Gallery on ESPN

 




Incredible series of shots by Walter Pieringer on ESPN's "Zoom" gallery.

A little off-topic but beautiful works of art complete with photo details for
those of you who see a great shot and instantly wonder what the f-stop was.

http://espn.go.com/action/flash/zoomGallery?photoGalleryId=4621759

Doug

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Incredible series of shots by Walter Pieringer on ESPN's "Zoom" gallery.

A little off-topic but beautiful works of art complete with photo details for
those of you who see a great shot and instantly wonder what the f-stop was.

http://espn.go.com/action/flash/zoomGallery?photoGalleryId=4621759

Doug

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That's actually a tremendously helpful tip Brian.

i've been advocating the use of soil hardeners there for ever, but nobody has
stepped up to follow through or help Westra with the sample we have. 

We still don't know if the stuff works, but it's a product that is made
specifically for the purpose of hardening soil.  Using concrete just doesn't
work, if you dilute the mix with dirt it breaks down, fast, it's just basic. 
Kim was suggested to try that in K line, and i told him that i would eat a dog
turd from dog park if it actually held up.  i have not eaten a turd thanks.  i
will not eat a dog turd to say that the application of soil hardener will be the
perfect solution, but i think it's our best bet.

1.  It will keep and hold shape of lips, berms, landing.  When that bike company
came in and re-did the jumps for their event and photo shoot, they complained
that the jumps were too beat up.
2. It will help control the dust issue, by strategically placing a hard cap on
trouble spots, particularly the access roads.
3. The hard cap can help prevent people from harvesting soil for pirate builds.


 

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, brian _ <dirtdude21@...> wrote:

From: brian _ <dirtdude21@...>
Subject: RE: Trail Damage and Unauthorized Building at the Nade
To: bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 7:17 AM


its frustrating when this sort of thing happens and it happens all the time,
seems that designing trails is not only about features, rolling grade dips,
sloping and armoring the norm but now designing ways to make them tamper proof
is becoming commen place.



  threats never work, vigilant repairs never work but rebar or wire buried in the
ground 6 or 8 inches deep stops them every time... anything that makes digging
to hard 

Brian





To: bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com
From: mwestra2@...
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:22:11 +0000
Subject: Trail Damage and Unauthorized Building at the Nade

 



Hey folks,

Can you help me spread the word that unauthorized digging at Colonnade just
ain't good. If you see someone digging, ask 'em what the hell they are doing.
Tell them that if they want the park closed, just keep on digging. Or if they
like Colonnade and want to see it get better, then join a work party or contact
me: mwestra@... or 425-241-7806.

The recent crap we found took Kevin and I probably 4-6 hours to fix.

Photos and details posted on mtbr:
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=570700

Thanks,
Mike




                           
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Suggest posting to the RideMonkey forum as well.

Norman


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its frustrating when this sort of thing happens and it happens all the time,
seems that designing trails is not only about features, rolling grade dips,
sloping and armoring the norm but now designing ways to make them tamper proof
is becoming commen place.



  threats never work, vigilant repairs never work but rebar or wire buried in the
ground 6 or 8 inches deep stops them every time... anything that makes digging
to hard

Brian





To: bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com
From: mwestra2@...
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:22:11 +0000
Subject: Trail Damage and Unauthorized Building at the Nade





Hey folks,

Can you help me spread the word that unauthorized digging at Colonnade just
ain't good. If you see someone digging, ask 'em what the hell they are doing.
Tell them that if they want the park closed, just keep on digging. Or if they
like Colonnade and want to see it get better, then join a work party or contact
me: mwestra@... or 425-241-7806.

The recent crap we found took Kevin and I probably 4-6 hours to fix.

Photos and details posted on mtbr:
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=570700

Thanks,
Mike





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Hey folks,

Can you help me spread the word that unauthorized digging at Colonnade just
ain't good. If you see someone digging, ask 'em what the hell they are doing.
Tell them that if they want the park closed, just keep on digging. Or if they
like Colonnade and want to see it get better, then join a work party or contact
me: mwestra@... or 425-241-7806.

The recent crap we found took Kevin and I probably 4-6 hours to fix.

Photos and details posted on mtbr:
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=570700

Thanks,
Mike