Thanks Peter, I'd expect nothing less from The Hammer.

Is anybody writing up your trip? Seems something interesting must've
happened...  ;^)

Paul




-----Original Message-----
From: Gonz [mailto:partel2@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 1:09 PM
To: Bbtcmembers@Yahoogroups. Com; Paul Andrews
Subject: Re: Moab Day Six with video posted...


>>There are lots of drops on the descent which you can do or ride around,
but the killer is a 5-footer at the end of a long bombing run. <<

Our boy Armando did it ... see
http://igor.music.washington.edu/Everybodies/UpperPork/slides/061a_Armando.h
tml


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Andrews" <paul@...>
Subject: Moab Day Six with video posted...


Hey folks, Porcupine Rim review is up.

Ok, so here's the story on last weekend...

Riding in Leavenworth had a mellow feel this time.  No hectic
planning, just get the bike out and have fun.
A bit on the chilly side but I guess the weather could have been
worst.
I thought I'd see more of you there but yet got to meet some new ppl
and saw some of you I hadn't seen since last year.

It wasn't until too late that I got a message from Stephen saying he
and a bunch others would meet him and Debbie for DevilsG on Sat
morning.   He left me many messages with a few changes in plans to
ride Sunday which ended up not working out for me since Igor and I
had already hit the Gulch the day before and had other plans...
also, I dedicated Monday for family stuff only and missed his group
entirely.

Anyway, Igor's brand new Giant got together with my "HolyCross"
(that's SantaCruz fer ya'll gringos) for a good old fashioned
Leavenworth style mixer.
Saturday, we waited for Stephen to show up but finally at 11:20 we
decided to get started, so we did my usual figure8 loop up DevilsG.
The creek crossings were just enough to make them fun without having
to soak your feet.  Up along the sweet switchbacks for a back-numbing
delight to the top where it got cold fast.  A couple others arrived
but we continued up to the road.  We went across and took the
traverse with a little exploratory of a DH trail near the Ski area;
then, back for a relentless climb up to Clara and Marion Lakes where
upon arrival we pushed through a little snow but enough to make it a
pleasant contrast before bombing down by the skree field towards
BeeHive Rd where we climbed to the Mission Ridge trailhead and dove
into Upper Mission for our roller coaster ride.  Or so we thought...
Blowdowns galore in that section now, so unless you like the
multiSport challenge like us you might wanna leave it be for another
time.  Back at the intersection and up to the higher Mission where we
found the wind was practically blowing us off the skinny downhill
ribbon on the ridge and manualing, at times, got sketchy with the
higher gusts kicking our front wheels off trail.  Further down we hit
the switchbacks and it was all rail, rail, rail your bike, gently
down the trail... and back down before the final coolin' of the discs.
It was a new experience on that loop for both... full disc brakes and
5" of sweeet travel were just what the doctor ordered...

On Sunday we took it easy and we hit one of the other "free-fun"
trails.  The kickers were a great addition to the upper trail and
after some searching for the rest of the trail, we heard voices and
found some guys at the road gap and saw what a buttery tranny it's
got... way smoother and longer run out than SideShow.   They
graciously let us join them on the descent and soon we found
ourselves lovin' it in the thick of things... We didn't have the
FullFace nor pads but it's not a "holy crap, that's insane" kinda
trail... although you do have to have your sh!t dialed in on some
sections, and next time, the Dare will be in full force...
The views on this trail are magnificent and the
We came onto the ArmPit and other cool side features that challenge
one's skill.
The lower trail just rips along a verdant gulch with optional wall
kickers strewn for good measure before being upchucked at the road
like a bad VanDeKamp's fish stick (I'm ashamed to have found out what
these are- back in the college years)
"Grrreat trail", I says to the gang... before they kindly shuttled me
up for my Jeep while on their way for a second helping.

In retrospect, Igor did put a scare on me a couple of times with
involuntary dismounts but was relieved to see him work those PhD
brains and walk the more hairball stuff, FOR NOW... even though
walking down that rock face on his commuter SPD's with 70ft cliffs on
the sides looked to be just as treacherous from were we stood to
watch him...  glad I opted to keep my SPD's on the pedals and merely
risk the lesser of two evils (impaling upon a steep 6ft roll)...
scary but good stuff, indeed...
But regardless, as you know, he's ultra sharp and will catch on quick
now that he will be staying with us in Seattle :) ...unfortunately,
Canadia will still elude him for a while 8(
It was great to see the emotions he displayed regarding his new toy
during those two days of riding.  All ranging from uncertainty and
bewilderment to utter joy.
The stealth of a light bike vs. the plush and acertivness of travel
and stability in a Freerider still lingered... "the meaning of MTbike
life"... like a mental tug'o'war tearing the fabric of his being.  My
friend, relaxed and able, acknowledged that in this war both sides
were winners.
It's always great fun riding with him...
I expect you guys will be catching him in major action soon !

A reminder to all from o'er yonder that although weather might be
iffy here this next weekend that Leavenworth will once again be
hosting the yearly Bike and Brews Festival on Freund Canyon.

Registration is here...
http://www.icicleinn.com/activities/MailerRegFormBBB.htm

http://www.dasradhaus.com/events.html


Also, if you're looking for an all around fun weekend on June 18-20
near Leavenworth, you might consider riding any of the challenging
trails in the Devil's Gulch-Mision Ridge-Tronsen Ridge area and
simply drop into Cashmere for an acoustic jams charged with country
flavour and plenty of beer to keep you smilin'.
The annual Wenatchee River Bluegrass Festival will showcase a few
bushels of ear pleasing performers.

http://www.mountainmyst.com/music/stjames/stjamescoffeehouse_wrfbf.htm


And just remember ya'll,  e-vents like these are big hits for folks
in places where the sun don't shine...   B-a-a-a-aa-aa-a(sheep)
Yeeeeeehaw !!!

ooooh, what timing... I checked the list on a good day !

Cool shoot guys, I hadn't seen it, although maybe you should'a
photoshop'ed that ugly pinky splint somehow :)


--- In bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com, "Gonz" <partel2@c...> wrote:
> >>There are lots of drops on the descent which you can do or ride
around,
> but the killer is a 5-footer at the end of a long bombing run. <<
>
> Our boy Armando did it ... see
>
http://igor.music.washington.edu/Everybodies/UpperPork/slides/061a_Arm
ando.html
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Andrews" <paul@p...>
> Subject: Moab Day Six with video posted...
>
>
> Hey folks, Porcupine Rim review is up.

I wanted to ride at Tiger this morning, but after hearing how wet and muddy it
is as well as how the rocks were attacking innocent bikes, Jessica G and I
decided to ride over at Victor Falls instead.

I got to the lot at the X-mas tree farm and an older gentleman walking his dog
stopped by the truck and asked if I was going looking for the cougar over on the
east side - apparently he and his wife found tracks in the mud yesterday while
walking on the road.....nice....A few minutes later Jessica and I started off
toward the gate on the West side of Victor....

We rode most of the usual stuff, down through "Deer Park" and then the "Rookery
Ridge" over to "Cut Your Bars", then we rode "Twilight Zone" (I made it out once
again!!) and "Crossover" out to "End Around" and up to the paved road. Then we
crossed the road into cougar territory. I was trying to find the "look out" so
we could get a view of Mount Rainier, but it was not to be. Instead we had a
lesson in why I have not volunteered to lead rides....I got lost. Not really
lost, more like misplaced. I knew in general where we were but could not find a
familiar landmark after "Happy Valley", to save my life....So we rode some
unfamiliar trails until we came to a larger "road/trail" and followed that out
to the paved road south of the tree farm. We stopped a van, made sure we were
headed in the right direction and rode up the paved road a short distance back
to the entrance for Route 66", a quick climb up 66 led us to the "lookout" that
is right before elevator and while I was trying desperately to catch my breath -
Jessica pointed out a Bull Elk in the meadow just down the road behind us - he
was just standing there looking at us. He had antlers that were still in velvet,
but he didn't stand around long enough to let us count "points" It was a pretty
sight though.

So all in all we had a good couple of hours out on the trails. Only real problem
(besides my getting us misplaced) was the brush is getting thick on the trails
in the forest and we both had trouble, not once but numerous times with pretty
good sized sticks that seemed to want to "joust" with us. There was a time I
thought for sure the stick was going to win....but we won each contest. I guess
that trails out there aren't seeing enough riding to keep the brush at bay....

It was a great day to be riding.......
Eric C


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I'm in the planning phase of a Devil's Gulch / Mission Ridge ride
tomorrow morning, Thursday.  Please reply off list if interested.
Steve Colmar

>>There are lots of drops on the descent which you can do or ride around,
but the killer is a 5-footer at the end of a long bombing run. <<

Our boy Armando did it ... see
http://igor.music.washington.edu/Everybodies/UpperPork/slides/061a_Armando.html


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Andrews" <paul@...>
Subject: Moab Day Six with video posted...


Hey folks, Porcupine Rim review is up.

Hey folks, Porcupine Rim review is up. I've given up on the hi-res video
(mpeg4) so most everyone should be able to see the video, long as you have
Quicktime (and you can download it free if you don't). Enjoy!

http://paulandrews.typepad.com/mtbworld/
Paul





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Andy,



Honestly, I don't know the answer.  As our company doesn't do any me-too
products, such as cross bars and towers, I don't know too much about
that stuff.  I'd like to research your question and find out the answer.
I do know that compared to Factory cross bars, Yakima and Thule are
stronger.  That is why we have a 50lb limit on our rack that is
compatible with those, and a 40lb per bike limit on our rack that is
compatible with OEM & Factory cross bars.



For OEM & Factory cross bars, it's important to check the manufacturer's
load bar rating in the owner's manual.



I hope this helps and I'll try to get feedback from our rack specialty
stores about your inquiry.



Thanks again.

Eric



It's great to see the sun shining!



________________________________

From: Andrew Rigel [mailto:andrewrigel@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:46 AM
To: justin@...; partel2@...; Eric Stobin
Cc: bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: The Sportworks rack



Eric can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the recommended weight
limit for the roof of a particular vehicle  is not based on the fact
that the rack will "fall off" the vehicle but that the risk of roll over
during emergency driving maneauvers (e.g. swerving to miss a tire at 70+
mph coming down I-90) is greatly increased by the excess weight on the
roof.  This is especially true of cars that already have a high center
of gravity without gear on the roof.

Andy

----Original Message Follows----

From: "Justin Vander Pol" <justin@...>

To: "Gonz" <partel2@...>,"Eric Stobin" <erics@...>

CC: <bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: The Sportworks rack

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:34:13 -0700

I can squeeze 3 Sportworks Bob Ratchet racks (and 3 freeride bikes) on
top of my little Subaru impreza.  Its a tight fit with all 3 bikes, but
it works well.  I just had to make sure they're staggered a bit so the
handlebars don't hit each other.  I got sick of messing with 20mm axle
adapters, and it turns out that 8" front rotors don't work with "disk
specific" fork mount racks most of the time until you bust out your
favorite hack saw.  I've also been running more than the recommended
weight limit for my car's roof rack, and it hasn't fallen off yet.

If I did it again, I'd get a hitch mount sportworks rack (like the one
Jennifer has).  Better gas mileage and no lifting.  Speaking of gas
mileage - what's up with $2.45 at the pump?

Justin Vander Pol

Executive Director

Backcountry Bicycle Trails Club (BBTC)

http://www.bbtc.org

justin@...

206.524.2900 office

206.390.2237 cell

Are you a BBTC member?  Join now at http://bbtc.org/home/new-member.php

Want more singletrack?  Donate today at http://bbtc.org/home/donate.php

----- Original Message -----

From: Eric Stobin

To: Gonz

Cc: bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 4:05 PM

Subject: RE: The Sportworks rack

Gonzzz,

We have the Factory Bob, which is only good for bikes up to 40lbs and is


compatible with most factory cross bars.  You need to check the load bar


rating of your car manual to figure our how many you can put on top of

the car. Usually 2, sometimes 3.

If you can go with a Yakima or Thule rooftop system, our Bob Ratchet is

compatible with either cross bar, and holds bikes up to 50lbs.  (I guess


you'll have to find the correct towers and clips that will work if you

don't have gutters) Justin Vander Pol uses a bunch of these, and tons of


pro's like Leech, Bourdon, Shandro, and Shaums March do as well.

Reviews for this product are on www.gearreview.com &  www.dirtworld.com

Sportsrack on Aurora is very knowledgeable and they carry our stuff,

too.

Thanks,

Eric

-----Original Message-----

From: Gonz [mailto:partel2@...]

Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:58 PM

To: Eric Stobin

Cc: bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: The Sportworks rack

Speaking of racks, what would you recommend for a downhill bike (20 mm

thru

axle hub), for a roof top gutterless installation ?

Peter

----- Original Message -----

From: "Eric Stobin" <erics@...>

To: "Jennifer Lesher" <jennifer_l@...>; "com,

bbtcmembers@yahoogroups. " <bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:16 PM

Subject: RE: The Sportworks rack - a bargain at any price (Gregg's &

Super

Go have them on sale at present)

Have questions, comments, or concerns?  Contact BBTC's Executive
Director, the offical voice of BBTC, to get direct answers:
justin@...

Are you a BBTC member?  Join or renew now at
http://bbtc.org/home/new-member.php

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T-Mobile camera phone by Pallinos in Union Square.

Call security at 206-613-5333

It would be great to have some representation at this meeting.  This is
regarding the area around Rat Pac and some other great mountain biking trail
systems.

Justin Vander Pol
Executive Director
Backcountry Bicycle Trails Club (BBTC)

http://www.bbtc.org
justin@...
206.524.2900 office
206.390.2237 cell

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-----Original Message-----
From: dan norton [mailto:jackandan@...]
Subject: Kittitas biking

There will be a meeting on wed. the 9th at 630 PM at the forest
service in Cle Elum to discuss the formation of a Parks and and Rec.
district to get easements to trails in the upper county. All user groups are

invited. It is important that mtn bikers show in force ! Call with any
questions 509 649 3971

_________________________________________________________________
Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://youroffers.msn.com




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I can squeeze 3 Sportworks Bob Ratchet racks (and 3 freeride bikes) on top of my
little Subaru impreza.  Its a tight fit with all 3 bikes, but it works well.  I
just had to make sure they're staggered a bit so the handlebars don't hit each
other.  I got sick of messing with 20mm axle adapters, and it turns out that 8"
front rotors don't work with "disk specific" fork mount racks most of the time
until you bust out your favorite hack saw.  I've also been running more than the
recommended weight limit for my car's roof rack, and it hasn't fallen off yet.

If I did it again, I'd get a hitch mount sportworks rack (like the one Jennifer
has).  Better gas mileage and no lifting.  Speaking of gas mileage - what's up
with $2.45 at the pump?

Justin Vander Pol
Executive Director
Backcountry Bicycle Trails Club (BBTC)

http://www.bbtc.org
justin@...
206.524.2900 office
206.390.2237 cell

Are you a BBTC member?  Join now at http://bbtc.org/home/new-member.php

Want more singletrack?  Donate today at http://bbtc.org/home/donate.php
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Stobin
To: Gonz
Cc: bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 4:05 PM
Subject: RE: The Sportworks rack


Gonzzz,

We have the Factory Bob, which is only good for bikes up to 40lbs and is
compatible with most factory cross bars.  You need to check the load bar
rating of your car manual to figure our how many you can put on top of
the car. Usually 2, sometimes 3.

If you can go with a Yakima or Thule rooftop system, our Bob Ratchet is
compatible with either cross bar, and holds bikes up to 50lbs.  (I guess
you'll have to find the correct towers and clips that will work if you
don't have gutters) Justin Vander Pol uses a bunch of these, and tons of
pro's like Leech, Bourdon, Shandro, and Shaums March do as well.

Reviews for this product are on www.gearreview.com &  www.dirtworld.com

Sportsrack on Aurora is very knowledgeable and they carry our stuff,
too.

Thanks,
Eric



-----Original Message-----
From: Gonz [mailto:partel2@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:58 PM
To: Eric Stobin
Cc: bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: The Sportworks rack

Speaking of racks, what would you recommend for a downhill bike (20 mm
thru
axle hub), for a roof top gutterless installation ?

Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Stobin" <erics@...>
To: "Jennifer Lesher" <jennifer_l@...>; "com,
bbtcmembers@yahoogroups. " <bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: The Sportworks rack - a bargain at any price (Gregg's &
Super
Go have them on sale at present)





Have questions, comments, or concerns?  Contact BBTC's Executive Director, the
offical voice of BBTC, to get direct answers:  justin@...


Are you a BBTC member?  Join or renew now at http://bbtc.org/home/new-member.php

This is an un-moderated forum hosted by BBTC.  No comments on this list should
be construed as official announcements of the BBTC unless otherwise noted.
Yahoo! Groups Links







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I would agree that some of the rock sections are a little gnarly. This seems
to be concentrated at the top. Some of the rocks have been displaced and
stick out in odd ways. I think this must frequently happens in the really
muddy, flatter sections. Maybe this is because there was not a solid
foundation to lay the rocks on. They just get pushed and rotated around in a
mud pit. Perhaps two layers would have been better than one in these
especially flat, muddy areas. On other sections of the trail, I think the
rock has worked beautifully. I am a believer.

For the places where it is currently a little troublesome, it is either rock
or mud. I think ultimately, the rock will have to work since the mud
doesn't.

~Luke

> Has anyone had similar experience with these sections?
> -Paul

Paul and others that wonder about the rock on Tiger,

1st off, It is really a bad deal what happened to the bike,
especially if it was a demo.

When we first started using rock in our trail work parties at Finn
Hill 9 years ago there were comments that we were creating a gravel
path. We used much smaller .6" crushed rock back then. The evolution
to the big rock was to get a solid base upon which the fines from
our tires will eventually fill in the gaps. At Finn Hill the action
of all the tires over the crushed rock made it so you can't even
tell we ever put rock "under" the trails.

The larger rock was chosen for Tiger for its ability to create a
sturdy platform, much like riding in Moab, Utah. Eventually you'll
hopefully lose track that there is rock under your tires on the PRT
after the dirt has time to settle in the cracks and maybe a few of
the stones get rearranged so they knit themselves together better.

That said I'll soon be joining in again to help keep the efforts to
harden the trail moving forward.

So give it a year and give us another report.

Len

> Has anyone had similar experience with these sections?
> -Paul

>
> I am really very much on the fence about these rocks being used in the
> riding lines and cant decide if they are friend or foe.  I understand
> that it keeps the trail intact but at the expense broken bike and body
> parts?  Has anyone had similar experience with these sections?

I can show you receipts summing hundreds of dollars for repairing damages
incurred on trails without crushed basalt, and scars to match.

Machinery breaks very easily when it's outside a dry, clean workshop. Especially
little slices and slivers of exposed aluminium. It's just part of the sport,
much to the delight of the component manufacturers.

While it may be tough to get your hands on a copy of the latest Bicycle
Retailer & Industry News, it was wonderful for me to see a full-color
Bikes Belong ad that lists the BBTC in Washington!



You guys should see how cool this is.  I'd like to fax a copy to Justin
Vander Pol and maybe he can post it.



It says:

Your dollars at work, coast to coast



Backcountry Trails Club

Club creating mountain bike park downtown

Two miles of trails underneath I-5 Interstate.



Thanks,

Eric



Sportworks, NW

Sales Manager

15540 Wood-Red Rd NE Bldg A-200

Woodinville, WA 98072

888-661-0555 ext 29

www.bicycleracks.com

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Gonzzz,

We have the Factory Bob, which is only good for bikes up to 40lbs and is
compatible with most factory cross bars.  You need to check the load bar
rating of your car manual to figure our how many you can put on top of
the car. Usually 2, sometimes 3.

If you can go with a Yakima or Thule rooftop system, our Bob Ratchet is
compatible with either cross bar, and holds bikes up to 50lbs.  (I guess
you'll have to find the correct towers and clips that will work if you
don't have gutters) Justin Vander Pol uses a bunch of these, and tons of
pro's like Leech, Bourdon, Shandro, and Shaums March do as well.

Reviews for this product are on www.gearreview.com &  www.dirtworld.com

Sportsrack on Aurora is very knowledgeable and they carry our stuff,
too.

Thanks,
Eric



-----Original Message-----
From: Gonz [mailto:partel2@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:58 PM
To: Eric Stobin
Cc: bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: The Sportworks rack

Speaking of racks, what would you recommend for a downhill bike (20 mm
thru
axle hub), for a roof top gutterless installation ?

Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Stobin" <erics@...>
To: "Jennifer Lesher" <jennifer_l@...>; "com,
bbtcmembers@yahoogroups. " <bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: The Sportworks rack - a bargain at any price (Gregg's &
Super
Go have them on sale at present)

Speaking of racks, what would you recommend for a downhill bike (20 mm thru
axle hub), for a roof top gutterless installation ?

Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Stobin" <erics@...>
To: "Jennifer Lesher" <jennifer_l@...>; "com,
bbtcmembers@yahoogroups. " <bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: The Sportworks rack - a bargain at any price (Gregg's & Super
Go have them on sale at present)

Hey ya'll,

Gregg's and SuperGo both have stock of these and I checked their
websites this morning.  Both places have the rack on sale for $30 off
this week.

You can also check our dealer locator, as we have many wonderful shops,
like Bicycle Centers in Everett, Downhill Northwest downtown,
Woodinville Bicycle & Center Cycle in Renton just to name a few others
that have stock of Sportworks, are knowledgeable about our products and
give top-notch service..

Also, REI has our racks as well in Seattle.  If you go to another
location, use their STS (Ship-to store) program and they will ship it to
the store you are at for free.

We have a new rooftop rack, the Factory Bob that works with Factory
cross bars (Bob B uses this) and also a new rack for Pick-up trucks, the
Insta-gater.  We also have a fairly new FreeRide and Downhill rack out
for 40-50lb bikes.

If anyone has questions, please give me an email and I'll help.

Thanks for your consideration.  Unlike 99% of most other car racks that
are made overseas, ours is made in the USA, right here in Woodinville.

Also, I enjoyed the Devil's Gulch ride on Saturday; I'm posting a few
pictures to the site at 5pm.

Eric
"Get loaded, in 10 seconds or less"
www.bicycleracks.com
425-483-7000

-----Original Message-----
From: Jennifer Lesher [mailto:jennifer_l@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:54 PM
To: com, bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.
Subject: The Sportworks rack - a bargain at any price

Even without the 10% discount the Sportworks rack is worth every penny.
While my friends are disassembling their bikes, or twirling clamps on
their hitch mounts or soiling their upholstery as they stuff their bikes
into their trunks, I'm relaxing, or watching them in my rearview mirror
as I head to dinner or home.  The Sportworks rack makes every other rack
seem like tying your bike to your roof with your intestines.  No offense
intended to owners of other racks but I love my Sportworks.

Full disclosure:  Eric recently gave me a very cool Sportworks shot
glass, but I don't think it influenced my feelings about the rack.

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Even without the 10% discount the Sportworks rack is worth every penny.  While
my friends are disassembling their bikes, or twirling clamps on their hitch
mounts or soiling their upholstery as they stuff their bikes into their trunks,
I'm relaxing, or watching them in my rearview mirror as I head to dinner or
home.  The Sportworks rack makes every other rack seem like tying your bike to
your roof with your intestines.  No offense intended to owners of other racks
but I love my Sportworks.

Full disclosure:  Eric recently gave me a very cool Sportworks shot glass, but I
don't think it influenced my feelings about the rack.

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Late spring cleaning:

Make offer on any or all.  Reply off list

Pearl Izumi Ultrasensor jersey, 3/4 zip, blue with black collar and
sleeve accents, 3 pocket, elastic hem, Men's Medium but fits larger.
Worn once, too big. Asking $25

Dead Wheels for wheel building practice, or next stop is the
recycling bin at the transfer station!

Bontrager Valiant Front, some life left in the rim, but the LX hub is
toast. 32 hole radial lacing, presta valve hole, including skewer.

Matrix Singletrack MTB Comp Front.  32 hole, presta valve, Suntour
hub and rim are toast, with skewer, 3 cross lacing.

Mavic 222 Rear.  Rim is toast, 32 hole, 3 cross, presta valve,
XT rear hub in good condition, silver 1999 FH M750, including skewer.

Steve Colmar

I share offices with Cascade, and their website has been down for several days. 
They are working on it, but I haven't heard any details about when it will be
back up.

Justin Vander Pol
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----- Original Message -----
From: jon'barker
To: bbtc
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:33 AM
Subject: cascade bike club


anyone else having trouble accessing Cascade's web site?

http://www.cascade.org






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The questions posed to the group:
I need a new seatpost.
What is the strongest design? Is the single bolt clamp strong enough? Is
there a moderately priced post that's tough? Which finish won't rub off and
look
nasty after a couple of muddy rides.
Reply off-list and I'll post the info to the list in one message.
Thanks
Norman

The responses:

Just get a thomson seatpost and never worry about it
again!  I've been running thomson seatposts for ages
and never had one problem with them
-Jason

Norman, there's only one seatpost out there worth having: Thompson
Elite.  The best $80 you'll ever spend on your bike this side of a Chris
King headset.  
-Kelly

KAlloy are plenty strong enough, and at $15, you can get 5 of them for the
price of one Thompson !
-Peter

Thompson
-Eric Stobin

I have had excellent success with Answer and Thomson seatposts.
Best of luck,
-Kevin

one word:  THOMSON!!    everyone seems to rave about 'em, supposed to be way
strong, so I decided to invest in one.  (about 90 bucks).  
seatpost breakage stories are some of the scariest I've heard...   :O
-Ethan

I'm a big fan of the 2 bolt clamp. I've had a few problems with the single
bolt holding, in particular the Tom Ritchey style post.
My current fav' is the Thomson.
-Roger

Best = Thomson Elite ($80) black or silver
Good/Cheap = Rockworks ($30) silver only
Both are 2 bolt, stay away from single bolt if you are doing any jumping
(sooner or later you will land hard on the seat and strip the ridges that
hold a single bolt system in place. With 2 bolt systems the bolts hold the
seat in place; a lot stronger.
-David Krattli

If you want a post that you will never have to think about again, get
a Thomson. They offer them in straight and setback desgins (importatn
option depending on how slack your seattube is) and are insanely easy
to dial in with the two bolt seat clamp design. I've had a number of
different seatposts on various bikes and the Thomson has been far anda
way the most satisfactory. When the one that came with my Superlight
gives up the ghost, I'm going to replace it with a Thomson.
-Glen

 

anyone else having trouble accessing Cascade's web site?

http://www.cascade.org






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Thanks for the info.

I purchased a TIMEX HELIX about a year ago from Campmor for $60.   It has
altimeter, barometer, etc.  You get what you pay for... I had to send it
back for a replacement about 6 months after purchase when water got inside
during a shower.   The replacement came but immediately needed a new battery
($25).  Campmor agreed to credit me for the battery but I had to find a
place that would do the work or send the watch to them for 6 weeks.

Now the battery is dying again.  It works, but all together fairly
unreliable.

Spend an extra $40 and go for the casio.

JR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Len@Comcast" <len.francies@...>
To: <bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: High Gear Axis Altimeter Watch


> I lost my trusty Casio altimeter watch some time ago and have been looking
for a $100 replacement. The $300+ for a Suunto & 2" diameter make that
undesirable - especially for everyday wear. I like to wear the altimeter so
I know how high I am at any moment.
>
> I popped into REI to gaze, yet again, into the altimeter case and there in
the case was a "High Gear" watch with all the features I've been looking
for. Altimeter, cumulative altitude, max altitude, time, compass, and 2
alarms + stopwatch. This watch retails in the case @ 150, but during the
sale it was $119. I got the extra 20% off to get it down near that $100
price point I've been looking for and its not as massive as that "other
brand".
>
> Yesterday the altimeter went to the woods. Three of us hit Tolt for 20.6
miles and we learned that turned into 2500' of accumulated elevation in all
those little ups and downs. It sure felt like 2500' and at least it was a
great time on those great trails.
>
> If you need a good value altimeter in your backcountry tool kit this may
fit the bill.
>
>
http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=4000000800\
0&productId=47669021&parent_category_rn=10075632
>
> Len
>
>
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BBTC'rs

The 10% discount was for a 12 month period and this was over a year ago.

There is no BBTC discount at present.

Thanks,

Eric





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From: mikeutterback71 [mailto:msutterback@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 7:18 PM
To: bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Sportworks-Supergo Sale



Supergo currently has just about everything on sale this weekend thru
Monday, including Sportworks bikeracks for 20% off.  The way I
understand it, Eric will give 10% off to BBTC members.  I could be
wrong, but I doubt the discounts can be used together.  Is this true
Eric?

--- In bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Quaas" <nrod2k@h...> wrote:
> What's the scoop on the bbtc discount and what location will give me
> the discount?
> Thanks!



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I rode Tiger yesterday.  Took the fire road up and the single track
down.  I was demo'ing a '04 Giant VT1.  Very nice all mountain bike and
much different than my Jekyll 1000.  Anyway, I was riding about half way
down Preston and one of those rocks that we have been using to shore up
the trail decided to pop up and push my rear derailleur into my spokes.
By some miracle the derailleur and spoke survived but not without
causing some very serious adjustments to be made.  I basically rode a
single speed back to the lot.



Disclaimer.  I am in no way be-little the efforts of everyone who helps
maintain the trails at tiger.  I have done some work myself but I always
feel like it's not enough.  I seriously commend the efforts that go on
at Tiger.



So the trail was about as wet as I have ever seen it.  Pretty much
riding in the middle of a small stream all the way down.  There are a
lot of sections where the "Rocks" have been placed and have provided a
very nice stable piece of trail.  However, there are many other rock
sections that are in need of serious repair.  You can tell a lot of
effort goes into placing these rocks and you can also tell that a lot of
on-going maintenance is required to make these areas safe for you and
your bike.



I am really very much on the fence about these rocks being used in the
riding lines and cant decide if they are friend or foe.  I understand
that it keeps the trail intact but at the expense broken bike and body
parts?  Has anyone had similar experience with these sections?



-Paul



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Sunday was very muddy, and they closed most of the DH runs.  Didn't stop me
from having a good time though, it cut down on the crowds!

My wife is worried because I have my eye on a downhill bike now.  She
doesn't think I need another bike!?!

Chris Menge


>From: "Kevin Kincaid" <KKincaid@...>
>To: <bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: Whistler!
>Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 13:21:35 -0700
>
>Hmmm.  The webcam shows conditions are not muddy (At least from this
>P.O.V.
>
>www.whistlerblackcomb.com/cams/?image=%2Fbikepark%2Fbikepark_00001.jpg
>
>
>Very tempting...
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Margaret Ann Bashour [mailto:MargaretBashour@...]
>Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 11:33 AM
>To: bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Whistler!
>
>Anyone going up today or tomorrow . . or sunday . . or monday for
>that matter, that has room for a passenger and a bike???
>
>Let me know, thanks!
>
>Margie
>
>

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Hey Group I finally got all my low res. pictures up yesterday. Didn't
load the high res. ones but at least there is plenty there.
Took my daughters boyfriend  on a ride yesterday (newby), we did the
White river trail and Skookum for a loop, and I couldn't believe after
the rains that Skookum wasn't all that muddy, trail was good.
Sorry I didn't make the devi'ls gulch Saturday, the weather report said
the snow level would be down to 4,000ft. Did it snow anywhere on the
ride? So I bailed.


Dave James