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Lights or No Lights? What to do with Colonnade???   Message List  
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RE: Lights or No Lights? What to do with Colonnade???

yep, well, over-publicising the place, be careful what you wish for...
however, promoting the park sure good way to grow the club.
hey people who buy cheap lite systems just waste their money & will just cause
more crashes. next year this time the dicsussion about the Collonade will be
about how there's so many riders for such a small trail system; column
collisions, backups, agressive riders, "snakes"/intimidating locals, etc. thats
ok because i see the community value in this place & being mjr PR tool for BBTC.
don't get me wrong, mega-kudos to all the builders - too bad about the lack of
parking nearby or anywhere in the vicinity, huh?
Ride ON
-markW
>Sent: Feb 28, 2006 11:39 PM
>To: bbtcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: Lights or No Lights? What to do with Colonnade???
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>I think the argument that mountain bikers all have their own HID lights
>doesn't fly. We want to attract a much broader audience to Colonnade, the
>park should bring new people into the sport--people who don't have $100+
>headlights.
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>On a personal level, I'd hope to ride there in the wintertime, and not
>having it lighted sure restricts the hours that it'd be usable.
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>I'd vote Lights until 9pm or 10pm.
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Hey folks, We're at a pivotal point in the development process for Colonnade where we need to determine whether or not we want to do lights. As you can...
Jon Kennedy
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Mar 1, 2006
2:26 am

Lights would be cool but I think we have enough on our plate already. Personaly I get out of work early enough to ride it before it gets dark....
daveschuldt
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Mar 1, 2006
2:59 am

I vote yes for lights, but discussion of cost and benefit of it is necessary before a solid decision. Thanks Jon for thinking about this! If the city intends...
kenobonn
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Mar 1, 2006
3:25 am

Lights. Without lights we're going to be missing out on some great Wintertime use of the park. -R...
Roger Donahe
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Mar 1, 2006
3:40 am

Is there a middle (cost) ground here? Many of us (maybe I'm being too presumptive) have spent real money on serious night riding lighting. Could the park be...
b_hasenjaeger
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Mar 1, 2006
4:27 am

I say NO lights, for two reasons. 1) Most of the bikers who are the "types" who would do night riding already have really bright headlamp/handlebar lights to...
Ethan
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Mar 1, 2006
5:06 am

No, mainly for the added expense to the club, but open to listen. Most parks close at sunset, what is Seattle's position on this subject. They would at least...
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Mar 1, 2006
5:35 am

I think the argument that mountain bikers all have their own HID lights doesn't fly. We want to attract a much broader audience to Colonnade, the park should...
Maarten van Dantzich
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Mar 1, 2006
7:40 am

How much work will it take? We will have to dig trenches by hand. What about volunteer burnout? Seems like we need more folks to show for the work parties....
daveschuldt
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Mar 1, 2006
3:22 pm

Another vote for lights ... assuming that the city is willing to keep the park open after dusk. I'm thinking more along the lines of low sodium lights at...
KevinA
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Mar 1, 2006
4:48 pm

A middle ground lighting solution like that recommended by Kevin and Bill seems to make the most sense. Yes, we all wish that the park were lighted perfectly...
faireduvelo
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Mar 1, 2006
5:22 pm

I'm interested in this being lit until later in the evening, especially during the winter. I agree, however, that a middle ground lighting solution sounds...
Courtney Nash
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Mar 1, 2006
5:41 pm

Do those that live near the park want it lit up? They may not want lights shining in their windows until 9PM in the winter. Erik ... From: Maarten van...
Erik Alston
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Mar 1, 2006
2:29 pm

I agree completely. To me, the essence of the park is it's ability to be used by the masses as a training ground no matter the weather nor the season. That...
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Mar 1, 2006
4:32 pm

for a security standpoint, we should have lights... and I mean security, not safety... --fabien "There is <http://www.ticycles.com/> no FRENCH word for ...
fabien pichard
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Mar 1, 2006
4:33 pm

yep, well, over-publicising the place, be careful what you wish for... however, promoting the park sure good way to grow the club. hey people who buy cheap...
mark whitehead
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Mar 1, 2006
4:44 pm

... Do we have Art's vision of trail connectivity anywhere near the Colonnade materials on the site? The "speech" he gave me the last time I showed up...
Rolland Waters
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Mar 1, 2006
4:49 pm

hey but there is always the REI free parking garage! how late is it open, though? later...
mark whitehead
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Mar 1, 2006
5:20 pm

... already have really bright headlamp/handlebar lights to do it with. Yes, those that want to ride at night have lights (portable nuclear devices ;-)...
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Mar 1, 2006
5:52 pm

Great feedback, keep it coming! I'd like to just toss out a few bits of information that can help everyone evaluate the Colonnade lighting decision. Cost of...
Justin Vander Pol
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Mar 1, 2006
7:42 pm

One further comment regarding the lighting. Given the funding issues at our current point in time, might it be better to lay lighting conduit now as we're...
KevinA
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Mar 1, 2006
8:01 pm

Great questions Kevin. The general rule for Seattle parks is that they are open until 11:00 PM. As far as I know this is the case for I-5 Colonnade. We are...
Justin Vander Pol
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Mar 1, 2006
10:15 pm

... I realize that it's still a bit "cutting edge" technology, but, based on advertised bulb lifetimes , LEDs last "forever, and use significantly less power. ...
Ronald Long
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Mar 1, 2006
8:09 pm

For me it's pole lighting or nothing. Shure it will be a pain to change bulbs but up high they can't be messed with. I don't want to delay the job w/...
daveschuldt
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Mar 1, 2006
8:27 pm

I agree. I was at the very planning meeting where BBTC/Urban Sparks told the city that we did not need lighting and that the bike lights we each used would be...
Kincaid, Kevin
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Mar 1, 2006
10:30 pm

All this talk of conduit for lights peaked my thought process, ouch. What about irrigation piping?? Is there a plan, has the city addressed this? Sleeves could...
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Mar 2, 2006
3:18 am

The City put some fancy irrigation in the dog park to flush the dog waste and keep the park smelling all minty and fresh. However, with the freeway overhead...
Justin Vander Pol
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Mar 2, 2006
6:03 pm

If the original plan was for no lights and that's what the community bought into, I'd say bag the idea for now. I'd really rather see us put our next $100K...
Tom Fitzpatrick
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Mar 2, 2006
4:11 am

Just a few pieces of info- -Our lighting plan was approved by the city and included over 20 light pole locations. -The cost of electricity would be covered by...
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Mar 2, 2006
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