Early 1970's Hankins surfboat for sale. It is in poor condition and needs quite
a bit of work. It would be a great project for someone who has the time. It is
located in Barnegat Light, NJ. The first $100 takes it. Contact Don Adams at
609-290-1831 or rowerbl@...

Here is some rough stuff rowing. Roz has already rowed the Atlantic and the west
coast to Hawaii. She is on part two to conquer the rest right now. She can be
tracked on her web site at: http://rozsavage.com/

Check out th evideo. Martha plunks down 14K for a guideboat!
http://www.adirondack-guide-boat.com/martha_stewart.html

Try the Piantedosi sliding rigger for a smoother ride. Faster too.


--- In bbrs@yahoogroups.com, "Harris" <njtaxguy@...> wrote:
>
> I picked up a 17' 4"X 36" Stowe canoe. Plenty of volume. Add a piantadosi rig
and 8.5 foot oars and it rows great. I want to try moving the rig forward an
additional 6-12 inches? The stern seems to be dipping, but hey.thats sliding
seat rowing. You never get the smooth glide of fixed seat.
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After 150 years they decide to build a boat.
  S&T Whitehall - nice boat and only $19,000!

http://www.shawandtenney.com/news/index.php/article/2009/09/22/the_shaw__tenney_\
whitehall_in_motion

----- Original Message -----

From: broharris89

To: bbrs@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:27 PM

Subject: [Open Water Rower] Shaw and tenney whitehall rowboat

 

After 150 years they decide to build a boat.
S&T Whitehall - nice boat and only $19,000!

http://www.shawandtenney.com/news/index.php/article/2009/09/22/the_shaw__tenney_whitehall_in_motion

IF GREAT THINKERS HAD ONLY KNOWN ROWING

Socrates – the unrowed life is not worth living

Lao Tzu – the way to do is to row

Hedonists – the pleasure of rowing today outweighs the pleasure of rowing
tomorrow

My mom – it's your own damn fault

Ayn Rand – row for yourself

Nietzsche –rowing is a struggle and only the strong and fit survive

Plato –you need true wisdom to know how to row

Kant –we can be good rowers if we want to

Pragmatists – row for the best, hope for the best and take what comes

Homer Simpson – why row

Cartman – screw you guys, I'm going rowing

Jesus – row with others as you would have them row with you

Schopenhauer – rowing is not natural

Stoics – self-contained rowing is of primary importance

Buddha – chop wood, row the boat, carry water

George Bush – finally I can see where I am going

Sartre – you must confer meaning on your rowing your self

Zen Monk – what counts in rowing is first-hand, day-to-day, moment-by-moment
experience of rowing

Hamlet – to row or not to row; that is the question

Spinoza – rowing is neither good nor evil; it is simply necessary

Aristotle – the soul is the "determining principle" of rowing

Kierkegaard – purely aesthetic rowing is a dead route

Martin Buber – your relation to your fellow rower is the heart of human nature

Buddha – rowing is suffering

©geomed

More:

Aristotle - "One row does not make a summer."
             "No one would choose a rowless existence on condition
              of having all the other things in the world."
Rene Descartes - "Remigo, ergo sum.  I row, therefore I am."
Jedi Master Yoda - "Row, or row not.  There is no try."

--- In bbrs@yahoogroups.com, "broharris89" <njtaxguy@...> wrote:
>
> IF GREAT THINKERS HAD ONLY KNOWN ROWING
>
> Socrates – the unrowed life is not worth living
>
> Lao Tzu – the way to do is to row
>
> Hedonists – the pleasure of rowing today outweighs the pleasure of rowing
tomorrow
>
> My mom – it's your own damn fault
>
> Ayn Rand – row for yourself
>
> Nietzsche –rowing is a struggle and only the strong and fit survive
>
> Plato –you need true wisdom to know how to row
>
> Kant –we can be good rowers if we want to
>
> Pragmatists – row for the best, hope for the best and take what comes
>
> Homer Simpson – why row
>
> Cartman – screw you guys, I'm going rowing
>
> Jesus – row with others as you would have them row with you
>
> Schopenhauer – rowing is not natural
>
> Stoics – self-contained rowing is of primary importance
>
> Buddha – chop wood, row the boat, carry water
>
> George Bush – finally I can see where I am going
>
> Sartre – you must confer meaning on your rowing your self
>
> Zen Monk – what counts in rowing is first-hand, day-to-day, moment-by-moment
experience of rowing
>
> Hamlet – to row or not to row; that is the question
>
> Spinoza – rowing is neither good nor evil; it is simply necessary
>
> Aristotle – the soul is the "determining principle" of rowing
>
> Kierkegaard – purely aesthetic rowing is a dead route
>
> Martin Buber – your relation to your fellow rower is the heart of human nature
>
> Buddha – rowing is suffering
>
> ©geomed
>

 

More:

Aristotle - "One row does not make a summer."
"No one would choose a rowless existence on condition
of having all the other things in the world."
Rene Descartes - "Remigo, ergo sum. I row, therefore I am."
Jedi Master Yoda - "Row, or row not. There is no try."

--- In bbrs@yahoogroups.com, "broharris89" wrote:
>
> IF GREAT THINKERS HAD ONLY KNOWN ROWING
>
> Socrates – the unrowed life is not worth living
>
> Lao Tzu – the way to do is to row
>
> Hedonists – the pleasure of rowing today outweighs the pleasure of rowing tomorrow
>
> My mom – it's your own damn fault
>
> Ayn Rand – row for yourself
>
> Nietzsche –rowing is a struggle and only the strong and fit survive
>
> Plato –you need true wisdom to know how to row
>
> Kant –we can be good rowers if we want to
>
> Pragmatists – row for the best, hope for the best and take what comes
>
> Homer Simpson – why row
>
> Cartman – screw you guys, I'm going rowing
>
> Jesus – row with others as you would have them row with you
>
> Schopenhauer – rowing is not natural
>
> Stoics – self-contained rowing is of primary importance
>
> Buddha – chop wood, row the boat, carry water
>
> George Bush – finally I can see where I am going
>
> Sartre – you must confer meaning on your rowing your self
>
> Zen Monk – what counts in rowing is first-hand, day-to-day, moment-by-moment experience of rowing
>
> Hamlet – to row or not to row; that is the question
>
> Spinoza – rowing is neither good nor evil; it is simply necessary
>
> Aristotle – the soul is the "determining principle" of rowing
>
> Kierkegaard – purely aesthetic rowing is a dead route
>
> Martin Buber – your relation to your fellow rower is the heart of human nature
>
> Buddha – rowing is suffering
>
> ©geomed
>

December 17, 2009
American Will Attempt to Cross an Ocean in a Rowboat
By CHRISTOPHER MAAG
CLEVELAND — This winter, Katie Spotz plans to cross the Atlantic Ocean without a
sail or a motor. Through 50-foot waves and hurricane-force winds, the only thing
propelling her tiny yellow boat will be Spotz's arms pulling against two black
oars.

In the small but growing sport of ocean rowing, even the smallest sail is
considered cheating. So Spotz, 22, will row at least 2,500 miles without even a
tarp to protect herself from the sun, lest she be tempted to use it to catch the
wind.

"I never thought I could do something like this," said Spotz, whose attempt will
raise money for Blue Planet Run, a foundation that finances clean drinking water
projects around the world.

"But it's not like a rowing machine in a gym," she said. "You just pace
yourself."

The journey from Dakar, Senegal, on Africa's west coast, to South America is
expected to take between 70 and 100 days. If Spotz succeeds, she will become the
youngest person to cross an ocean in a rowboat, and the first American to row
solo from mainland to mainland.

"I'm very much impressed by her seriousness," said Dr. Jack J. Lesyk, a sport
psychologist who has helped Spotz prepare. "She's more like an astronaut than a
gregarious adventurer. She's really focused on all the details of properly
preparing herself, and she's doing it entirely on her own."

Rowing across oceans is a small but growing sport that is popular among
adventure enthusiasts, particularly in England, who seek ever more extreme
endurance tests. Only a handful of Americans have attempted it.

"It's like climbing Mount Everest," said Ian Allen, who rowed across the Indian
Ocean last year and works for Woodvale Challenge, a company in England that
organizes ocean rowboat races. "It's the new ultra-endurance challenge."

The Ocean Rowing Society maintains a list of successful crossings at
oceanrowing.com. After the first recorded voyage from New York to France in an
open boat in 1896, by the Norwegian immigrants George Harbo and Gabriel
Samuelsen, the list remained empty until 1966. In the last nine years, 109
rowboats have crossed the Atlantic, Pacific or Indian Oceans.

Almost as many attempts have failed. Fifty-four ocean rowers were forced to
return home because of weather, technical or health problems since 2000. Another
48 were rescued, including several by United States Coast Guard helicopters, one
by a French frigate and another by the Senegalese Navy. One American, Belic
Nenad, was lost at sea in September 2001 during a solo row eastward across the
Atlantic.

Spotz, who grew up in Mentor, Ohio, seems an unlikely addition to the list of
ocean crossers. She has little experience with boats of any kind, and spent
weeks last summer teaching herself about such rudiments as the rudder and
tiller. Her nickname on her high school swim team was Turtle, a reflection, she
said, of her marginal athleticism. Even now, she displays none of the exotic
musculature — mammoth shoulders, triceps shaped like lobster claws — that one
might expect of a person who expects to row 2,500 miles.

But Spotz is not new to physical challenges. Soon after graduating from high
school, she joined a running class and quickly surprised herself by running five
miles. She progressed into running marathons and cycling 3,300 miles across the
United States. Last year, she became the first person to swim all 352 miles of
the Allegheny River.

"I never thought I could run 26 miles," Spotz said. "But once I finished one
challenge, I realized maybe I could do something even bigger."

The real test of an endurance athlete is not physical, Spotz said. It is having
the mental toughness to keep going. In each new event, she said, she reached a
low point and considered quitting.

"You have to be 100 percent focused and aware," she said. "I see this as a form
of active meditation."

Spotz's 450-pound rowboat has two airtight cabins for buoyancy. The front cabin
holds food and gear, including a sea anchor. Fighting strong headwinds, Spotz
can throw the anchor overboard, where it opens like a parachute underwater to
slow backward movement.

The rear cabin contains a water desalination machine, a GPS unit, radios, a
satellite phone and a laptop, which Spotz will use to update her blog. She has
two emergency distress beacons to request help from nearby ships if something
goes catastrophically wrong. All electrical devices are powered by solar panels.

On the floor of the aft cabin is a thin foam sleeping pad. On such a small boat,
every heavy item must be secured along the bottom to help the craft right itself
in rough seas. In those conditions, Spotz will use straps under the mattress to
tie herself down, turning her 140-pound body into the boat's heaviest piece of
ballast and preventing her from being thrown about the cabin.

Spotz's boat is the work of Phil Morrison, a British yacht designer who had been
asked by Chay Blythe, a well-known Scottish rower, to design a small, light boat
capable of surviving extreme conditions. Morrison later modified that two-person
rowboat into a solo design used for Spotz's boat. Despite his efforts, Morrison
remains incredulous of ocean rowing.

"For anybody to row single-handedly across the Atlantic Ocean, you must be out
of your mind," Morrison said by telephone.

Spotz will try to row 30 miles a day. In the open ocean, she will use an
automatic identification device to warn ships of her presence. Such systems, she
said, make the open ocean the safest part of the trip.

"I prefer rowing in big waves," Spotz said. "That way I can see what's coming
from 100 yards away."

The bigger danger comes close to shore. During a 40-mile practice row on Lake
Erie last summer, high winds pinned Spotz's boat against a cliff. She escaped,
but the waves nearly destroyed the boat before she could hire a construction
crane to lift it out of the water.

By leaving Dakar around Christmas, Spotz should benefit from trade currents
pushing her westward. She will try to land in Cayenne, French Guiana. But if she
and her weather forecaster determine that the current is too strong there, she
will have to row another 500 miles to Georgetown, Guyana, the nearest port.

"The boat is very easy to maneuver, but it's pretty much impossible to fight
against strong winds and current," she said.

Spotz works for a nonprofit group in Cleveland. She is selling corporate
sponsorships to pay for the trip, which will cost $100,000. She also hopes to
raise $30,000 for Blue Planet Run.

"That's the hardest part of the adventure," Spotz said, referring to her
fund-raising. "It basically requires a business of its own."

From Alden's website
Friday, 18 September 2009 09:45
We're so pleased to announce that Gary Piantedosi has joined us full-time as our
`Resident Expert' on recreational rowing and New Product Design.

Gary's passion for rowing is longstanding.  He's a well-known and charismatic
figure in New England, and has been designing and manufacturing rowing gear for
more than thirty years.  You'd think that would make him an old geezer, but non!
His spirit is youthful and his demeanor is boyish – but neither can mask his
passion for rowing or the value of his experience, when it comes to designing
new products.

His rowing career began at MIT where Gary was also trained as a mechanical
engineer. His crews won silver medals at the 1973, '74, and '75 Eastern Sprints
and IRAs. He was a spare for the US World Champion Eight in 1974, rowed the
Straight Pair in the 1975 Pan Am Games and the Straight Four in the 1976
Olympics. Today Gary is an avid masters sweep rower and an open ocean racer who
enjoys competing, wherever there are waves.

As an Olympian, Piantedosi brings proven experience in the competitive rowing
world.  His coaching expertise in the adaptive area will help Alden with its
`Learn to Row' programs and as an MIT graduate, his engineering and technical
prowess is top shelf.

In the two years since Alden came under the control of its new owner Archibald
Cox, Jr., the company has had the financial resources to improve the quality and
consistency of its recreational rowing shells.  Along the way, many new
relationships have been forged with people and organizations throughout the
rowing world.

  Piantedosi riggers have been an exclusive part of Alden's rowing shells since
December 2007.  `The quality of every Piantedosi part we've purchased from Gary
has always been perfect.  However, demand for his products has been stronger
than his ability to supply.  Recently, it became obvious that joining forces
would help both companies,' said Wendyll Behrend, Alden's General Manager.

Gary shares that he's `passionate about everything rowing.  I like training, I
like racing, I like coaching.  I am especially enamored with adaptive athletes
and designing gear to make the sport more accessible for para and quadraplegics.
I'm still an active Masters sprint racer and open ocean racer; a recent Masters
National Champion and multiple Blackburn Challenge champion.'

Piantedosi rigs and parts will continue to be built in Boxborough, Massachusetts
and Gary will oversee all local `Learn to Row' events.

Alden Rowing Shells has been the leader in recreational and open water rowing
shells, setting thousands of newcomers and experienced rowers alike out in safe,
stable and enjoyable boats since 1971.  We hope you will contact us, should you
be seriously interested in exploring the world of recreational rowing.

I have a Light Dory for sale. This is an unfinished boat - I'd say it's over 95%
done and could be finished in one dedicated day of work or over a weekend. $500.
Please contact me off list at gunkholer@... or phone - cell:
908-783-7122 home: 732-295-0531

Boat is in Brick, NJ

Jake Millar

I met with Roz this weekend and came away quite amazed at the paltry level of
support she recives from corporations. She is basically doing this on her own to
bring attention to the issues of the state of our environment. As she sets off
on this third leg please tune in and chat with her on her blog found on her web
site at rozsavage.com
You will find it to be most interesting to be able to chat with her while she is
at sea on this incredible journey. Additionally, any of you who find yourself
fortunate enough to be able to do so should do all you can to help support her
efforts, even if it just means spreading the word of her inspirational journey
and her website.

Thanks,

Walt

I have an Asay for sale hull 48-98   boat located in point pleasant
call 732-620-0432 or email rking1717@...

I am a canoeist looking to get into open water rowing, and I am hoping some of
you may be so kind as to help me out.  I have a number of solo canoes, and two
tandem canoes.  The tandem specs according to the manufacturer websites are as
follows:  Old Town Penobscot in Royalex, 16'2", width 34", width at 4" waterline
is 33", depth 13.75", bow 21", max load 1,100 lbs (!?), 58 lbs.   Wenonah Spirit
II in ultralight Kevlar, 17', 36", bow 22", stern 19", gunwale 35", at waterline
35.5", center 14", rocker 1.5", 42 lbs.   The Penobscot has an arched hull and
plenty of rocker.  It turns easily and has served me well on class I and II
rivers in Pennsylvania and Virginia.  The Sprit has a flatter hull and minimal
rocker.   It tracks on a rail with bent shaft paddles.  It has served me well on
lakes and ponds, big and small, mostly and especially in the Adirondacks.  As
will all little–to-no-rocker canoes, the Spirit is very hard to control in big,
following seas.

	 I just moved to Dover, Delaware, which is only 30 minutes by car from
Chestertown, and 45 minutes from Rock Hall, on the eastern shore of Maryland on
the Chesapeake Bay.  This is big water with big boats.  Under light wind
conditions, the canoes will work, but I want to get into something more
appropriate for serious chop.  I have considered the Piantodosi drop in row rig,
but the canoes just have design limitations not really appropriate for the big
water here.  Also, I am not convinced of the need for a sliding seat, and I
worry how the piantodosi will hold up in the brackish waters around here, even
if I rinse them thoroughly every time.   I can cartop the canoes but I am
resigned to a trailer for a more seaworthy rig and I have a garage now, so
weight is not a driving issue.

	  I would like to take full day or one night beach camp overnight trips, solo
and with my wife.  For example, from Chestertown, down the Chester River to the
mouth, out into the Chesapeake, around Eastern Neck, and back.   I am not a
sailor, but perhaps I should start learning.  I have always favored human-power,
but a small trolling motor would be a good safety device.  I do not have the
time to build.  I lean toward the practicality of fiberglass, but wood looks so
darn good.

	 Obviously, I have considered a Guideboat.  I love the history of the
Adirondacks, but hate that these boats are so trendy these days.  I am not sure
that they are what I need.  They were designed to be relatively light weight for
the carries, and the hull shape came from the shape of cedar roots and not
necessarily due to optimum deign considerations.    Oars will give more leverage
than paddles, but the generally low middle freeboard in the Guideboats really
concerns me.  I am all too familiar with the interplay between freeboard and
windage.  Dories generally look to me like they have so much freeboard as to be
blown about when rowed solo and the design seems skewed toward sailing.

 	 Any suggestions would be most welcome. Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: curlington111

To: bbrs@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 4:33 PM

Subject: [Open Water Rower] Canoeist looking to get into OWR

 

I am a canoeist looking to get into open water rowing, and I am hoping some of you may be so kind as to help me out. I have a number of solo canoes, and two tandem canoes. The tandem specs according to the manufacturer websites are as follows: Old Town Penobscot in Royalex, 16'2", width 34", width at 4" waterline is 33", depth 13.75", bow 21", max load 1,100 lbs (!?), 58 lbs. Wenonah Spirit II in ultralight Kevlar, 17', 36", bow 22", stern 19", gunwale 35", at waterline 35.5", center 14", rocker 1.5", 42 lbs. The Penobscot has an arched hull and plenty of rocker. It turns easily and has served me well on class I and II rivers in Pennsylvania and Virginia. The Sprit has a flatter hull and minimal rocker. It tracks on a rail with bent shaft paddles. It has served me well on lakes and ponds, big and small, mostly and especially in the Adirondacks. As will all little–to-no-rocker canoes, the Spirit is very hard to control in big, following seas.

I just moved to Dover, Delaware, which is only 30 minutes by car from Chestertown, and 45 minutes from Rock Hall, on the eastern shore of Maryland on the Chesapeake Bay. This is big water with big boats. Under light wind conditions, the canoes will work, but I want to get into something more appropriate for serious chop. I have considered the Piantodosi drop in row rig, but the canoes just have design limitations not really appropriate for the big water here. Also, I am not convinced of the need for a sliding seat, and I worry how the piantodosi will hold up in the brackish waters around here, even if I rinse them thoroughly every time. I can cartop the canoes but I am resigned to a trailer for a more seaworthy rig and I have a garage now, so weight is not a driving issue.

I would like to take full day or one night beach camp overnight trips, solo and with my wife. For example, from Chestertown, down the Chester River to the mouth, out into the Chesapeake, around Eastern Neck, and back. I am not a sailor, but perhaps I should start learning. I have always favored human-power, but a small trolling motor would be a good safety device. I do not have the time to build. I lean toward the practicality of fiberglass, but wood looks so darn good.

Obviously, I have considered a Guideboat. I love the history of the Adirondacks, but hate that these boats are so trendy these days. I am not sure that they are what I need. They were designed to be relatively light weight for the carries, and the hull shape came from the shape of cedar roots and not necessarily due to optimum deign considerations. Oars will give more leverage than paddles, but the generally low middle freeboard in the Guideboats really concerns me. I am all too familiar with the interplay between freeboard and windage. Dories generally look to me like they have so much freeboard as to be blown about when rowed solo and the design seems skewed toward sailing.

Any suggestions would be most welcome. Dave

Harris,

Thanks for the great insights.

I'm looking for my next (I hesitate to say "last") sliding seat row boat. For a variety of reasons, I now have only fixed seat boats - but really miss a pretty sliding seat boat. Toyed with the Bangor skiff - but you remind me of the BBS. I made an inquiry a while ago (I've been distracted restoring a catboat) but would really like to look hard at the Barnegat Skiff. The decked version is the only one to consider.

Could you either direct me to a site, or an address to request info. I'm pretty adept at snail mail.

Thanks Harris!

Bruce Osborn
R. Bruce Osborn
Professional Education
Mentor Corporation
805-455-7648
Bosborn@...

Hey Harris -

Could you post the photos and videos in the files or photos section?
  I guess because of the way I recieve my Yahoo groups messages (web only) I'm
unable to view posted photos etc..

On another topic - I should have a new Barnegat Bay Skiff coming home in a few
days.  I had Frank lay up a new deck for the hull I had stored out in the
boatshed.  Between the BBS, the Michalak/Culler "Otter" that I'm building for
myself and finishing off the Bolger dory I'm spread pretty thin to complete all
by spring! It would have been a tall order even if the weather had been better
this winter.

My own Barnegat Light Skiff is ready to row whenever the weather cooperates
though!

Jake

Coincidentally, before I posted here, I noticed there is a Mansfield 18'
(which is the same as Stowe I believe) in the classifieds on paddling.net:
"Classic Vintage 18' Mansfield Canoe, green, wood ribs. Garage kept used six
times over the past 30 years. They don't make them like this anymore...
215-257-3285."  I was thinking this would need a trailer but would make a good
OWR with a drop in rig.  I called the guy, we traded messages, and he then never
called back.  She is in Bradford, PA, at least 6 hours away, which damped my
enthusiasm.

   You all would know better, but I have to think that a dedicated-designed OWR
boat would be a better investment than yet another canoe.  For solo, I have a
Bell Magic ultralight, Wenonah Vagabond RX, and Wenonah Prism flexcore, all with
aluminum gunwales. I sold a Bell Wildfire last spring with beautiful wood
gunwales.  I might sell one or more of the canoes to finance an OWR that I am
convinced is the right fit for the eastern shore big winds and waters.

   Good to know that the piantadosi rig won't be adversely affected by the salt.

   I too cannot access the pics embedded in the post.

   It is good to be aboard.  Thanks, Dave

Gig Harbor Boat works and Little River Boats are good boats. The little river
boats are not as sea worthy as the Gig Harbor boats which have more freeboard.
The Little Rivers are more of a skulling craft and not really great for real
rough water, but they are fast. Could also find a used Asay, Van Dyne or Hankins
on the USLA website once in a while. It would be awesome to find an old Robinson
around.  Gig Harbor boats likely the best bet or one of the fine craft many of
the folks on this blog build if you can get them to part with them! WW

--- In bbrs@yahoogroups.com, "curlington111" <curlington111@...> wrote:
>
>   Coincidentally, before I posted here, I noticed there is a Mansfield 18'
(which is the same as Stowe I believe) in the classifieds on paddling.net:
"Classic Vintage 18' Mansfield Canoe, green, wood ribs. Garage kept used six
times over the past 30 years. They don't make them like this anymore...
215-257-3285."  I was thinking this would need a trailer but would make a good
OWR with a drop in rig.  I called the guy, we traded messages, and he then never
called back.  She is in Bradford, PA, at least 6 hours away, which damped my
enthusiasm.
>
>   You all would know better, but I have to think that a dedicated-designed OWR
boat would be a better investment than yet another canoe.  For solo, I have a
Bell Magic ultralight, Wenonah Vagabond RX, and Wenonah Prism flexcore, all with
aluminum gunwales. I sold a Bell Wildfire last spring with beautiful wood
gunwales.  I might sell one or more of the canoes to finance an OWR that I am
convinced is the right fit for the eastern shore big winds and waters.
>
>   Good to know that the piantadosi rig won't be adversely affected by the
salt.
>
>   I too cannot access the pics embedded in the post.
>
>   It is good to be aboard.  Thanks, Dave
>