It is impossible to pull lapped riders only at the start of the last lap. Especially on a short course like Brisbane it takes a lot of work to figure out who is lapped once the race is over and the officials have the time to start carefully reviewing their scoring records.
If you don't want lapped riders affecting the outcome of the race then the only way to do it is to pull riders as they are lapped and I'm sure a a lot of riders aren''t going to like that ( thus why promoters push the officials to not pul lapped riders.
Casey
On Nov 16, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Todd Crisafulli wrote:
The results for the B race are completely scrambled, it is
very disappointing.
Lapped riders should be pulled on the last lap. It
seems that this is not the policy at these events. In the last two races
I have started the last lap with a group of 5 or 6 guys fighting for a top 10
to 20 finish only to run into a traffic jam and have the outcome effected.
I am sure I have both gained and lost from this situation. The BASF Series is
the big cross series in this area and should be the races you are working up
too, there is no shame in getting killed at a race and being pulled, it happens.
The results for the B race are completely scrambled, it is
very disappointing.
Lapped riders should be pulled on the last lap. It
seems that this is not the policy at these events. In the last two races
I have started the last lap with a group of 5 or 6 guys fighting for a top 10
to 20 finish only to run into a traffic jam and have the outcome effected.
I am sure I have both gained and lost from this situation. The BASF Series is
the big cross series in this area and should be the races you are working up
too, there is no shame in getting killed at a race and being pulled, it happens.
Yep - those don't look right.
--- In bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com, Matt Leonard <maleonardphi@...> wrote:
>
> Wow, I hope those B results are messed up. I thought I had a good night,
but maybe not. Also, what was the deal with sending out 2/3 of the field for a
warm up lap, while the other 1/3 just sat at the S/F line and got a good start
position? I couldn't hear anything and then the group just started to roll out
for a lap.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: henryscholz <hankscholz@...>
> To: bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 12:15:16 AM
> Subject: [bayareacyclocross] BASPS #3 Sierra Point Night Race Trailer Results
>
> Â
> In case you had to leave before results were posted or were curious what was
posted on the trailer at the end of the night:
>
> http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 31145543@ N07/sets/ 7215762281340821 2/detail/
>
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 9:45 AM, leatherlungs666 <leatherlungs666@...> wrote:
I had a few moments of frustration last night when I was sort of, um, gruff with a few riders as I was lapping them and they refused to let us by. I'd like to apologize for that, and I'd like to thank the courteous riders who did a good job of yielding the course as we passed.
I normally try really hard to be polite and give good warning when I lap, but it became such a problem last night that I lost my cool a couple times.
Tom included a few words about how racers should act if they end up getting lapped when we were getting our instructions at the start. To encounter selfish riders who refused to yield in spite of this was infuriating.
I realize that lapped riders will continue to affect the outcome of our men's A race (and probably lots of other classes as well), but I hope that we can cultivate a sense of responsibility for minimizing that unfortunate result of our large fields. With that in mind, I'll do my best to pass carefully and cordially (and if I'm the one getting lapped, you can bet that I'll yield THE WHOLE TRACK).
-Josh Snead
-- cheers!
murphy
faster isn't always better, but it's always more fun.
Wow, I hope those B results are messed up. I thought I had a good night, but maybe not. Also, what was the deal with sending out 2/3 of the field for a warm up lap, while the other 1/3 just sat at the S/F line and got a good start position? I couldn't hear anything and then the group just started to roll out for a lap.
Matt
From: henryscholz <hankscholz@...> To: bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 12:15:16 AM Subject: [bayareacyclocross] BASPS #3 Sierra Point Night Race Trailer Results
In case you had to leave before results were posted or were curious what was posted on the trailer at the end of the night:
--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Matthias Behrends <zyclopath@...> wrote:
From: Matthias Behrends <zyclopath@...> Subject: Re: [bayareacyclocross] Brakes For Sale To: bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 9:27 PM
Â
Hi Brian,
I live in SF. We could met at the Cow Palace or Golden gate park race.
Thought I would put out to the group first, will go on Ebay soon
Vellum Equilibrium Frameset 53cm. Full carbon frame and fork, carbon steerer. 09, brand new out of box. Beautiful carbon weave, very similar to Scott frames, not a mark on it. $600
Size 44 Sidi Ergo 2 shoes white. Bought new, several rides, excellent like new. Decided they are too big, feet are sloshing around in them. These are the shoes! Asking $200
More items to come as I sift through the clutter, wheel sets to come. matt
Some of us from Sports Basement make it out on Tuesday & Friday
mornings...usually about 9:30 on the BASPS course. We actually meet up at the
Grind Cafe on Haight at 8:45am. The more the merrier. Tuesdays sort of hard -
easyish on Fridays. There will be a few of us out this Tuesday.
--- In bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com, "Duckwrench13" <turbodan13@...> wrote:
>
> I'm in the same boat. What?! No one wants to play with us city folk?! Ha!
>
> I'm down for the Tues-Thurs gig. I've got a few loops in the park that are
pretty good/mixed, and usually tie a few laps of the BASP course into it too.
>
> My GF is new to cx too, so she may come out as well.
>
>
>
> --- In bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com, "rachelwadsworth" <wadsworthr@>
wrote:
> >
> > I see a lot of groups in Oakland, the Peninsula, etc. but none in SF proper.
Anyone up for practice on Tuesday and/or Thursday mornings at GG Park? I am a
cross newbie, looking to get some practice. Need that extra push of having other
cross folks around, plus some ideas of where to practice. Reply to thread or
email me. Happy racing!
> >
>
Let me know if you hear about this guy. I saw the crash and I am curious. Thanks
Russ
To: bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com From: j@... Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:02:31 -0800 Subject: [bayareacyclocross] Crash at the end of B, SSB
A guy went down on the last lap of B, SSB's last night. Crash was at the bottom of disco hill and it looked bad. Anyone know if he's OK? Hope all is well...
one speed jeff
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I'm in the same boat. What?! No one wants to play with us city folk?! Ha!
I'm down for the Tues-Thurs gig. I've got a few loops in the park that are
pretty good/mixed, and usually tie a few laps of the BASP course into it too.
My GF is new to cx too, so she may come out as well.
--- In bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com, "rachelwadsworth" <wadsworthr@...>
wrote:
>
> I see a lot of groups in Oakland, the Peninsula, etc. but none in SF proper.
Anyone up for practice on Tuesday and/or Thursday mornings at GG Park? I am a
cross newbie, looking to get some practice. Need that extra push of having other
cross folks around, plus some ideas of where to practice. Reply to thread or
email me. Happy racing!
>
Care to meet other Peninsula cross riders and get a workout in before heading to the office?
What: A cyclocross training ride on mixed surfaces including a 3 mile warmup, mini race over a 1 mile course and cooldown. Last week's mini race went well. This week - we'll try adding some twisties around pylons.
When: Wednesday at 7am (meet @ 7, ride @ 7:05), 10-13 miles (45 minutes to an hour) depending on when you decide to quit.
Where: Meet at Terminal Blvd and San Antonio Road, Palo Alto, CA. Here's a Google map of the course.
Why? Because you need the extra fitness to earn a call-up and get ahead of some of the huge fields that are turning out for the races this season.
Who: Every weeks turnout is a little different with a mix of guys and gals, mountain bikers, new cyclocrossers and seasoned veterans. Let's see if I can remember all the names from last week: Krishna, Julie, Michael, Heather, Jill, Greg, Basil, Kerry, Christian, Benoit, Mary, James, Paul. The group may split up a bit but everyone's there to have fun and exercise and make new friends.
Also, thanks to whoever it was who was shouting "Go Wednesday Practice Ride Guy!" at me as I rounded the North end of the course on Saturday night. That was cool.
I see a lot of groups in Oakland, the Peninsula, etc. but none in SF proper.
Anyone up for practice on Tuesday and/or Thursday mornings at GG Park? I am a
cross newbie, looking to get some practice. Need that extra push of having other
cross folks around, plus some ideas of where to practice. Reply to thread or
email me. Happy racing!
I had a few moments of frustration last night when I was sort of, um, gruff with
a few riders as I was lapping them and they refused to let us by. I'd like to
apologize for that, and I'd like to thank the courteous riders who did a good
job of yielding the course as we passed.
I normally try really hard to be polite and give good warning when I lap, but it
became such a problem last night that I lost my cool a couple times.
Tom included a few words about how racers should act if they end up getting
lapped when we were getting our instructions at the start. To encounter selfish
riders who refused to yield in spite of this was infuriating.
I realize that lapped riders will continue to affect the outcome of our men's A
race (and probably lots of other classes as well), but I hope that we can
cultivate a sense of responsibility for minimizing that unfortunate result of
our large fields. With that in mind, I'll do my best to pass carefully and
cordially (and if I'm the one getting lapped, you can bet that I'll yield THE
WHOLE TRACK).
-Josh Snead
A guy went down on the last lap of B, SSB's last night. Crash was at the bottom of disco hill and it looked bad. Anyone know if he's OK? Hope all is well...
I have a set of deep dish carbon tubeies, cane creek with Sapim spokes.
$350 offerÂ
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5 piece sram carbon force $ 400.00
--- On Sat, 11/14/09, nota925r <peter.rudolph@...> wrote:
From: nota925r <peter.rudolph@...> Subject: [bayareacyclocross] Looking for a set of rims To: bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 7:08 PM
Â
Hey Y'all,
I bent my rear rim at the BASP #3 today and need a set of clinchers. If anyone has an affordable set they want to part with please let me know.
I've been lurking for a few weeks now, but I guess it's time to introduce myself.
1) David Ahn
2) Men's C
3) San Francisco (Hayes Valley)
4) 4 bikes: a. 1974 Raleigh Super Course: set up as a fixed-gear eight years ago but not quite rideable after three years languishing in a nj garage b. 2001 Lemond Poprad: up until last week, my everything bike (snow/ice commuter, trail, double century) but now a singlespeed cyclocross bike (thanks to the magic of the White Industries eccentric hub)
c. 2009 Bike Friday Season Tikit: folding commuter with an 8-speed Nexus rear hub and a Schmidt generator front hub d. 2009 Access 29er hardtail: my first MTB ...
5) This is my first season racing cyclocross, although I did do one of the Soil Saloon races in 2008.
6) Not looking for anything cross-specific, although I am now in the market for a geared road bike
7) The Soil Saloon race I did last year in GGP was my first race experience of any kind, and while I finished way at the back of the pack, I had a blast and did manage to win the side competition, which was a singing contest(!).
Hey Y'all,
I bent my rear rim at the BASP #3 today and need a set of clinchers. If anyone
has an affordable set they want to part with please let me know.
Thanks.
Peter
Sorry for the SPAM, but I accidently left my new white series leader jersey at the race tonight. It's a size S. If you see it or happened to pick it up, please let me know off-line.
Cheers--thanks to all for coming out to support a great race!
Jamie Schoenborn Team Roaring Mouse
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I was...but I didn't check my email before I went. Sorry...still interested? I can mail them if you pay for shipping. Where do you live?
Brian
--- On Sat, 11/14/09, Matthias Behrends <zyclopath@...> wrote:
From: Matthias Behrends <zyclopath@...> Subject: Re: [bayareacyclocross] Brakes For Sale To: bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 2:20 PM
I want them. Are you gonna be at Sierra Point today?
So apparently the results tonight for Men's C's listed me as coming in 6th at Sierra Pt. Woooo! Interestingly, I wasn't AT the race tonight! (home sick with strep throat) So .. if somebody out there was given the number 267 (my number for the series), and did well in Men's C's tonight but doesn't see their result, I guess that's what happened.
We're using FMB Boyau Cottons (34)
http://www.worldclasscycles.com/fmb_boyaux_cotton_cyclocross_ssc.htm
& Tufo Flexis Primus (32)
http://www.everybicycletire.com/Shopping/ps-1822-55-700-x-32-tufo-flexus-primus-\
32-tubular-622.aspx
right now, love them! (the ones you rode on my bike were the FMBs)
-mm
--- In bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com, Joe Miller <joecrosstime@...> wrote:
>
> I've found what really works better than any of the describes methods is to
do this:
>
> DAY ONE:Â Take your wheels to Josh Snead's...
> DAY TWO: Have a beer, watch some TV, go out for a ride...
> DAY THREE: Go fishing, watch a movie, ride, take a nap...
> DAY FOUR: Go pick up sweet, professionally glued wheels for a good price...
> Â Joe Miller
> joecrosstime@...
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "j.and@..." <j.and@...>
> To: bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 11:42:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [bayareacyclocross] Going tubular
>
> Â
> Best tip I have heard yet (the electrical tape). Another that has come in
handy is to use a syringe for filling in any spots that may be of concern. CVS
pharmacy has been a good sorce for free syringes. These also work well for
filling tires with sealant.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> ________________________________
>
> From: brian.birch@ kp.org
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:41:29 -0800
> To: <bayareacyclocross@ yahoogroups. com>
> Cc: <bayareacyclocross@ yahoogroups. com>
> Subject: Re: [bayareacyclocross] Going tubular
> Â
>
> The just gluing works for me too. Â Folks may have better methods to gluing
but this one worked for me. Â http://cxmagazine. com/howto- gluing-tubular-
cyclocross- tires  Since I am not as neat as I could be the electrical tape
masking is worth the up-front time.
>
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> Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha. org>
> Sent by: bayareacyclocross@ yahoogroups. com
> 11/13/2009 10:31 AM
> Please respond to
> bayareacyclocross@ yahoogroups. com
> To bayareacyclocross@ yahoogroups. com
> cc
> Subject Re: [bayareacyclocross] Going tubular
>
>
>
>
> Â
> You can also just glue the Tufos on your rims. That's what Lauren and I do. I
have also rolled Tufos attached with standard Tufo tape. (+ glue)
>
> Morgan
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Ted Ketai <tketai@gmail. com> wrote:
> Â
> and if you get tufo's you need the tape AND glue. I rode mine with just the
tape at first and both tires rolled almost immediately.
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha. org> wrote:
> Â
> Ditto! Also the Tufo Flexus is a good all-around tire. Both are also
relatively good values. There are cheaper tires and there are nicer tires, those
two are good bang for the buck.
>
> In either case, a little sealant is a good idea for the Challenge and a must
for the Tufo. (Tufos don't have inner tubes, just sealed casings.)
>
> And while we're talking; Vittoria Mastik One is the good glue. Don't use too
little, or better yet, have Ryan glue them. If you glue them roadie-style
there's a chance you won't have enough bond for cyclocross.Â
>
> Morgan
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Ryan <ryancbontrager@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> Â
> Challenge Grifo in 34 are what a lot of my riders pick as their top rubber
choice for all conditions.Â
>
> On Nov 13, 2009, at 9:46 AM, "just4cyclinggroups" <onepushybroad@ gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Â
> I'm finally going tubular. Rather late in the season I know. Deciding which
tires to buy. Here's the $10,000 question: Which tires are good in mud and dry?
Impossible? Thanks! Winona
>