There is no Masters A's at Nats.  There are only age-group championship
categories.  If you're 33 then you're with 30-34 Masters regardless of
category level.  (I'm sure you know what I mean, Jeff, I'm just trying
to clarify that there isn't any reference to "A's" at Nationals).
I don't know if plans are being formed to exclude cat.4s from
championship age-group events (similar restrictions now apply to Road
championships), but it is possible in the future.  We can't have a
field of 250 riders in the Masters 30-34 race at Nationals, so if
entries continue to grow the natural way of trimming it back will be to
exclude the lowest class.
   Nationals promoters have been allowed to add open B races, or perhaps
even Masters B races, but these are non-championship races which are
mainly just a way to add bodies and entry fees to the event.  That
doesn't make the others "A" races.  In fact, many riders compete in
both their age group race one day and then the B race another day.

Given the rapid growth of participants at Cross Nats, I'm afraid we're
facing the prospect of having to conduct separate Masters Championships
at another locale in the near future.  The degree of environmental
impact from having so many riders tearing up the same course for
several days is eventually going to restrict either the numbers of
participants or the availability of venues for such a big event.

-GD


On Apr 22, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Jeff wrote:

>
>  The question I have is which races are going to enforce the new
> system. In other words, I've raced Master's A at Nats the last 4 years
> but my license is a 4, does that mean I won't be able to regester in
> the A's now??
>
> jeff
>
> --- Lorri Lee Lown <Lorri@...> wrote:
>
>> The buzz on the street is that local promoters will continue to offer
>>
>> A B C races rather than the new USAC 1 2 3 4 system.  Just a rumor.
>>
>> Lorri
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com, Geoff Gunderson
>> <geoffvg@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Typical,
>>>
>>> How half assed! I (and we all) know folks who are 3's
>>> and 2's because of their road licenses, and have never
>>> even raced cross! USAC basically applied the road
>>> upgrade system to 'cross. Except that if you win 2
>>> races, that's yer 20 points.
>>>
>>> Whatever, but it seems like a really half assed, lame
>>> way to "deal" with the "problems" of self seeding.
>>> Especially in light of the fact that there are so few
>>> cross races compared to road races.
>>>
>>> Hope my cat. 2 buddies have fun at their first cross
>>> races, getting thumped, and yelled at by faster,
>>> smoother racers. Wonder if those "A" cross racers are
>>> gonna have to start at cat. 4 because they don't race
>>> road?? That'd be fun, having to line up against some
>>> really fast cross guy that was an A or strong B, but
>>> has to start all over at cat. 4 because his road
>>> license isn't a 3 or 2, or 1.
>>>
>>> I'm sure there's an answer to that one as well, there
>>> always is.
>>>
>>> Oh well.
>>>
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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I believe the problem with that ABC stuff is that combined classes will
mean these are not "qualifying races"  (except for 4's racing with 3's,
or 2's racing with 1's etc).  So riders who want to earn upgrade points
will need to find bona-fide qualifying race categories and avoid events
where their efforts won't score them points.  Hence, we're likely to
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I don't think anyone at USAC dreams that this is going to be easy to
implement at the beginning.  But my understanding is that experienced
crossers can contact their regional reps about getting correctly
categorized before the season begins, based on previous results.  I've
talked to crossers in the East who have done this already, to correct
some arbitrary categorizations that went out with new licenses.  Bound
to be a bit messy at first, but the bottom line is that nobody wants
anyone to be racing in a wrong class.

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On Apr 22, 2006, at 6:50 AM, Lorri Lee Lown wrote:

> The buzz on the street is that local promoters will continue to offer
> A B C races rather than the new USAC 1 2 3 4 system.  Just a rumor.
>
> Lorri
>
>
>
>
> --- In bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com, Geoff Gunderson
> <geoffvg@...> wrote:
>>
>> Typical,
>>
>> How half assed! I (and we all) know folks who are 3's
>> and 2's because of their road licenses, and have never
>> even raced cross! USAC basically applied the road
>> upgrade system to 'cross. Except that if you win 2
>> races, that's yer 20 points.
>>
>> Whatever, but it seems like a really half assed, lame
>> way to "deal" with the "problems" of self seeding.
>> Especially in light of the fact that there are so few
>> cross races compared to road races.
>>
>> Hope my cat. 2 buddies have fun at their first cross
>> races, getting thumped, and yelled at by faster,
>> smoother racers. Wonder if those "A" cross racers are
>> gonna have to start at cat. 4 because they don't race
>> road?? That'd be fun, having to line up against some
>> really fast cross guy that was an A or strong B, but
>> has to start all over at cat. 4 because his road
>> license isn't a 3 or 2, or 1.
>>
>> I'm sure there's an answer to that one as well, there
>> always is.
>>
>> Oh well.
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>>
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The question I have is which races are going to enforce the new
system. In other words, I've raced Master's A at Nats the last 4 years
but my license is a 4, does that mean I won't be able to regester in
the A's now??

jeff

--- Lorri Lee Lown <Lorri@...> wrote:

> The buzz on the street is that local promoters will continue to offer
>
> A B C races rather than the new USAC 1 2 3 4 system.  Just a rumor.
>
> Lorri
>
>
>
>
> --- In bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com, Geoff Gunderson
> <geoffvg@...> wrote:
> >
> > Typical,
> >
> > How half assed! I (and we all) know folks who are 3's
> > and 2's because of their road licenses, and have never
> > even raced cross! USAC basically applied the road
> > upgrade system to 'cross. Except that if you win 2
> > races, that's yer 20 points.
> >
> > Whatever, but it seems like a really half assed, lame
> > way to "deal" with the "problems" of self seeding.
> > Especially in light of the fact that there are so few
> > cross races compared to road races.
> >
> > Hope my cat. 2 buddies have fun at their first cross
> > races, getting thumped, and yelled at by faster,
> > smoother racers. Wonder if those "A" cross racers are
> > gonna have to start at cat. 4 because they don't race
> > road?? That'd be fun, having to line up against some
> > really fast cross guy that was an A or strong B, but
> > has to start all over at cat. 4 because his road
> > license isn't a 3 or 2, or 1.
> >
> > I'm sure there's an answer to that one as well, there
> > always is.
> >
> > Oh well.
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> >
>
>
>
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The buzz on the street is that local promoters will continue to offer
A B C races rather than the new USAC 1 2 3 4 system.  Just a rumor.

Lorri




--- In bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com, Geoff Gunderson
<geoffvg@...> wrote:
>
> Typical,
>
> How half assed! I (and we all) know folks who are 3's
> and 2's because of their road licenses, and have never
> even raced cross! USAC basically applied the road
> upgrade system to 'cross. Except that if you win 2
> races, that's yer 20 points.
>
> Whatever, but it seems like a really half assed, lame
> way to "deal" with the "problems" of self seeding.
> Especially in light of the fact that there are so few
> cross races compared to road races.
>
> Hope my cat. 2 buddies have fun at their first cross
> races, getting thumped, and yelled at by faster,
> smoother racers. Wonder if those "A" cross racers are
> gonna have to start at cat. 4 because they don't race
> road?? That'd be fun, having to line up against some
> really fast cross guy that was an A or strong B, but
> has to start all over at cat. 4 because his road
> license isn't a 3 or 2, or 1.
>
> I'm sure there's an answer to that one as well, there
> always is.
>
> Oh well.
>
> Geoff
>
>

Typical,

How half assed! I (and we all) know folks who are 3's
and 2's because of their road licenses, and have never
even raced cross! USAC basically applied the road
upgrade system to 'cross. Except that if you win 2
races, that's yer 20 points.

Whatever, but it seems like a really half assed, lame
way to "deal" with the "problems" of self seeding.
Especially in light of the fact that there are so few
cross races compared to road races.

Hope my cat. 2 buddies have fun at their first cross
races, getting thumped, and yelled at by faster,
smoother racers. Wonder if those "A" cross racers are
gonna have to start at cat. 4 because they don't race
road?? That'd be fun, having to line up against some
really fast cross guy that was an A or strong B, but
has to start all over at cat. 4 because his road
license isn't a 3 or 2, or 1.

I'm sure there's an answer to that one as well, there
always is.

Oh well.

Geoff

--- Eric Sterner <eric.sterner@...> wrote:

>  Just saw this on the USAcycling site:
>
> *USCF Cyclocross Upgrades*
>
> *Guidelines and Notes by Category:
> **4-3: Need 20 points in any 12-month period; or
> experience in 25 qualifying
> races with a minimum of 10 top-ten finishes. 30
> points in 12 months is an
> automatic upgrade.
> 3-2: Need 25 points in any 12-month period.40 points
> in 12 months is an
> automatic upgrade.
> 2-1: Need 25 points in any 12-month period. 40
> points in 12 months is an
> automatic upgrade.
> ****
> Qualifying races for each category:*  *Category
> *
> *Class
> * *Duration
> * *Field
> * *Points Awarded
> * *4-3
> * *Men
> **Women
> **Junior
> * *30 min
> **30 min
> **30 min
> * *20
> **10
> **10
> * *10-7-5-4-3-2-1
> **7-5-3-2-1
> **7-5-3-2-1
> * *3-2
> * *Men
> **Women
> * *40 min
> **30 min
> * *30
> **20
> * *10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
> **10-7-5-4-3-2-1
> * *2-1
> * *Men
> **Women
> * *60 min
> **40 min
> * *30
> **20
> * *10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
> **10-7-5-4-3-2-1
> *
>
>
>
>  **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *USA Cycling may add additional requirements for
> upgrading at their
> discretion. Any such changes shall be made available
> on the website.
>
>
> **5-4: Experience in 10 mass start races that meet
> the criteria in the table
> below (qualifying races). 4-3: 20 points in any
> 12-month period; or
> experience in 25 qualifying races with a minimum of
> 10 top ten finishes, or
> 20 pack finishes with fields over 50. 30 points in
> 12 months is an automatic
> upgrade3-2: 25 points in any 12-month period 60
> points in 12 months is an
> automatic upgrade2-1: 30 points in any 12-month
> period 60 points in 12
> months is an automatic upgradeUSA Cycling may add
> additional requirements
> for upgrading at their discretion. Any such changes
> shall be made available
> on the website.* For points earned in stage races,
> GC and stage places both
> count for points, but only up to a maximum of 20
> points from a single stage
> race.When deciding whether a rider qualifies for an
> upgrade, an
> administrator will take into account points earned
> in qualifying events per
> the table above. In the case of a rider who is
> marginally qualified, the
> quality of the events and the level of competition
> may be taken into
> account. A rider who wishes to downgrade may request
> a downgrade online or
> through their coordinator. Such requests will be
> evaluated individually. All
> track upgrades are processed by the Velodrome
> Managers using the following
> criteria (ATRA guidelines):Cat. 5 to Cat. 4 Complete
> a Velodrome Class or 4
> race days.Cat. 4 to Cat. 3 5 race days and 20
> pointsCat. 3 to Cat. 2 5 race
> days and 25 pointsCat. 2 to Cat. 1 5 race days and
> 30 pointsPoints:National
> championships, Category A, B, or C track race will
> be 7, 5,3,2,1 for each
> event.For all other events, upgrade points are
> 5,3,2,1 and are based on an
> omnium of the event's races. Additional
> Considerations:1. Ten person field
> minimum for category 3-5 and 20 person field minimum
> for upgrade to category
> 1. 2. Fifty percent of Upgrading points and number
> of times raced will be
> carried over to the next year. Points do not carry
> over to the next
> category. 3. When upgrading to a Cat. 1, points
> earned need to be from more
> than one velodrome. 4. A race day is defined as one
> full day of racing. A
> race day can include a number of events such as a
> kilometer, sprints or time
> trial, but it only counts as one race day. 5. Women
> and Juniors earn one
> point for every five race days when upgrading from
> Cat. 4 through Cat. 2.6.
> Races exempt from upgrading are Youth races and
> races of more that two
> categories (ie: "A" and "B" races).7. Results from
> other velodromes will be
> considered for upgrading. Downgrading:A rider may be
> downgraded by the
> Velodrome Manager for the following reasons: unsafe
> riding; lack of ability
> to compete in current category; or lack of placing
> within current category.
> *
>
>
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Neither Tom Simpson or Velo Bella will be hosting any UCI races this
season.

Tom has tried for 3 years to make it cost effective and has finally
decided to focus on the local racing scene only.

It only took one time of taking a financial bath to host such an event
for me to give it up.

Besides the cost of hosting a UCI race, there are a lot of things that
happen that can conflict with the local racer's experience. Its tough
having to make those compromises.

But the main issue is cost. A UCI race is expensive and the cost cannot
be recaptured on just entry fees alone. Promotors need to find
significant sponsorship to make it work.

We'd rather focus on keeping a great local series alive, with a focus
on a fun course (that might even break a few USCF rules) and fast
results and good times and encouragement of beginners and funny
costumes and great racing.

See you in a few months!

Sabine

--- In bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com, GreggD <grzeggy@...> wrote:
>
> Forgive me if I've missed previous posts or news, I've just joined
the
> bayarecyclocross group.
> Looking at the current UCI 'cross schedule for 2006, I find
absolutely
> no California UCI races listed.  Is this just a temporary thing while
> local promoters work out details, or something decided upon?  Anyone
> know about this?
> -GreggD
>

http://velobella.blogspot.com/2006/04/surf-city-cx-series-yeah-mon.html

More updates as we get them. But for now, pencil it in....


Sabine

Forgive me if I've missed previous posts or news, I've just joined the
bayarecyclocross group.
Looking at the current UCI 'cross schedule for 2006, I find absolutely
no California UCI races listed.  Is this just a temporary thing while
local promoters work out details, or something decided upon?  Anyone
know about this?
-GreggD

Sorry for the missing info.

I weigh 175 and have plenty of clerarance (Rock Lobster)

Doug & BR, I'll check out your suggestions.

Frank

i raced tufo elite tubulars in the biggest size (34) last season.  they
were pretty cush, but the size made them feel a little squirmy sometimes.
also i think the larger size made them a little more likely to roll off at
low pressures.  my front rolled off once on the off-camber decent at
soquel high.  but i was also riding it like a 'tard and totally plowed my
front wheel sideways down the right gutter, so that could roll most
anything i think.

some folks don't think tufos have enough tread and aren't good in the mud.
i've done fine on them (tubular clinchers last year, tubulars this year),
i rode them in the mud at nationals this year, and didn't feel like i was
at a disadvantage.

i'm hoping to get my hands on the new flexus 32s for next season:

http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tires/elite.php?seriesid=41

they look like they have a little more bite.

<br>


and before that, palealeyum was all:

> I'm going to set up a set of tubulars for next season and am looking
> for suggestions on
>
> tread
> tire width
>
> I plan on racing the Pilarcitos and The Peak Season series.
>
> I'm open to all feedback.
>
> Frank
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>

I'm going to set up a set of tubulars for next season and am looking
for suggestions on

tread
tire width

I plan on racing the Pilarcitos and The Peak Season series.

I'm open to all feedback.

Frank

Regarding Velocity - I can vouch for them as well - I have a set of 
Velocity Escape rims laced to Phil Wood hubs. They're pretty sweet.
Velocity seems to be the only company still making an aero tubular
rim that you can buy by itself (i.e. not part of a specialty
wheelset). Even though we don't have much mud I'd still recommend an
aero rim for it's mud-shedding abilities and they also tend to be a
bit stiffer. Not sure but you might be able to get a Velocity
wheelset direct from Phil Wood, though it's not on their website, I
got mine through a sponsorship deal with them. Phil Wood hubs are
not super-light, though they will last forever.

I wasn't prepared to deal with tubulars, either, until I got REALLY
serious about cross. I would concur with Mike about that. There's a
time investment there in addition to the $ investment...do not
switch to tubies on a whim...

One more thing, I'd advise against the so-called "tubular
clinchers", they roll off the rim like an unglued tubular and weigh
more than many clinchers, what's to like?

--- In bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com, michael smith
<mikesmith25@...> wrote:
>
> I purchased a pair of Velocity Aerohead clinchers
> laced to Ultegra hubs.  I'm not quite ready to  deal
> with tubulars.  At this point my training wheels are
> my racing wheels, welcome to Cat C.
>
> --- funkejohn <john_funke@...> wrote:
>
> > Believe it or not, for all but the rockiest courses
> > I'd trust the same
> > wheels for cx as I would for a crit, RR, or, say, a
> > twisty road
> > descent. If you dare to go <32 spokes on the road,
> > then go for it.
> >
> > Regarding affordable wheels, you can find people on
> > eBay getting rid
> > of thier old tubular wheelsets - now that road
> > clinchers are so good
> > people don't want tubulars, though for CX I still
> > think they are the
> > best for racing. I've gotten two of my race
> > wheelsets this way, for
> > less than $100 per set! Granted, tubies aren't all
> > that practical for
> > training...
> >
> > -Funke
> >
> > --- In bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com,
> > "mikesmith25"
> > <mikesmith25@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I weigh 190+ and I'm ridin steel.  Any
> > recommendations on affordable
> > wheels/rims?  I'm
> > > reluctant to try anything less than 32 spokes but
> > I've had no
> > experience with such wheels.
> > > Hub quality is not an issue, a pair of Deore LX or
> > XT hubs can last
> > me forever.  Thanks.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Regarding Velocity - I can vouch for them as well - I have a set of
Velocity Escape rims laced to Phil Wood hubs. They're pretty sweet.
Velocity seems to be the only company still making an aero tubular
rim that you can buy by itself (i.e. not part of a specialty
wheelset). Even though we don't have much mud I'd still recommend an
aero rim for it's mud-shedding abilities and they also tend to be a
bit stiffer. Not sure but you might be able to get a Velocity
wheelset direct from Phil Wood, though it's not on their website, I
got mine through a sponsorship deal with them. Phil Wood hubs are
not super-light, though they will last forever.

I wasn't prepared to deal with tubulars, either, until I got REALLY
serious about cross. I would concur with Mike about that. There's a
time investment there in addition to the $ investment...do not
switch to tubies on a whim...

One more thing, I'd advise against the so-called "tubular
clinchers", they roll off the rim like an unglued tubular and weigh
more than many clinchers, what's to like?

--- In bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com, michael smith
<mikesmith25@...> wrote:
>
> I purchased a pair of Velocity Aerohead clinchers
> laced to Ultegra hubs.  I'm not quite ready to  deal
> with tubulars.  At this point my training wheels are
> my racing wheels, welcome to Cat C.
>
> --- funkejohn <john_funke@...> wrote:
>
> > Believe it or not, for all but the rockiest courses
> > I'd trust the same
> > wheels for cx as I would for a crit, RR, or, say, a
> > twisty road
> > descent. If you dare to go <32 spokes on the road,
> > then go for it.
> >
> > Regarding affordable wheels, you can find people on
> > eBay getting rid
> > of thier old tubular wheelsets - now that road
> > clinchers are so good
> > people don't want tubulars, though for CX I still
> > think they are the
> > best for racing. I've gotten two of my race
> > wheelsets this way, for
> > less than $100 per set! Granted, tubies aren't all
> > that practical for
> > training...
> >
> > -Funke
> >
> > --- In bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com,
> > "mikesmith25"
> > <mikesmith25@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I weigh 190+ and I'm ridin steel.  Any
> > recommendations on affordable
> > wheels/rims?  I'm
> > > reluctant to try anything less than 32 spokes but
> > I've had no
> > experience with such wheels.
> > > Hub quality is not an issue, a pair of Deore LX or
> > XT hubs can last
> > me forever.  Thanks.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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I purchased a pair of Velocity Aerohead clinchers
laced to Ultegra hubs.  I'm not quite ready to  deal
with tubulars.  At this point my training wheels are
my racing wheels, welcome to Cat C.

--- funkejohn <john_funke@...> wrote:

> Believe it or not, for all but the rockiest courses
> I'd trust the same
> wheels for cx as I would for a crit, RR, or, say, a
> twisty road
> descent. If you dare to go <32 spokes on the road,
> then go for it.
>
> Regarding affordable wheels, you can find people on
> eBay getting rid
> of thier old tubular wheelsets - now that road
> clinchers are so good
> people don't want tubulars, though for CX I still
> think they are the
> best for racing. I've gotten two of my race
> wheelsets this way, for
> less than $100 per set! Granted, tubies aren't all
> that practical for
> training...
>
> -Funke
>
> --- In bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com,
> "mikesmith25"
> <mikesmith25@...> wrote:
> >
> > I weigh 190+ and I'm ridin steel.  Any
> recommendations on affordable
> wheels/rims?  I'm
> > reluctant to try anything less than 32 spokes but
> I've had no
> experience with such wheels.
> > Hub quality is not an issue, a pair of Deore LX or
> XT hubs can last
> me forever.  Thanks.
> >
>
>
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A fellow crosser told me that Velocity makes strong
aero wheels so I purchased a used pair of aeroheads
laced to Ultegra hubs.  These 20/24 wheels aren't made
for heavier guys like me so I'm steering clear of
Ksyriums or similar.  I figure the added strength
justifies the added weight.  Tubulars are a whole
nother league that I'm not ready for now but you can
achieve similar performance by running Tufo tires.

--- Clu Cotter <clubob@...> wrote:

> That's a nice segue into the tubular/clincher
> discussion.  Last year I ran clinchers like most
> newbies.  I'm heavy though, 185,  and I felt that I
> had to run at least 50psi in my 32 speedmax rear,
> and usually more like 60,  because I didn't want to
> pinch flat.  I'm planning on cruising ebay for some
> cross wheels in the off season too.  Since I can
> afford one set of race wheels with tires, what would
> others of similar mass suggest for a tub setup that
> I can run at most of the races?  A 32 is as large as
> I can go in back on my Bontrager but I ran a 35 most
> of the time up front and that worked pretty well.
>
> funkejohn <john_funke@...> wrote:  Believe
> it or not, for all but the rockiest courses I'd
> trust the same
> wheels for cx as I would for a crit, RR, or, say, a
> twisty road
> descent. If you dare to go <32 spokes on the road,
> then go for it.
>
> Regarding affordable wheels, you can find people on
> eBay getting rid
> of thier old tubular wheelsets - now that road
> clinchers are so good
> people don't want tubulars, though for CX I still
> think they are the
> best for racing. I've gotten two of my race
> wheelsets this way, for
> less than $100 per set! Granted, tubies aren't all
> that practical for
> training...
>
> -Funke
>
> --- In bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com,
> "mikesmith25"
> <mikesmith25@...> wrote:
> >
> > I weigh 190+ and I'm ridin steel.  Any
> recommendations on affordable
> wheels/rims?  I'm
> > reluctant to try anything less than 32 spokes but
> I've had no
> experience with such wheels.
> > Hub quality is not an issue, a pair of Deore LX or
> XT hubs can last
> me forever.  Thanks.
> >
>
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Believe it or not, for all but the rockiest courses I'd trust the same
wheels for cx as I would for a crit, RR, or, say, a twisty road
descent. If you dare to go <32 spokes on the road, then go for it.

Regarding affordable wheels, you can find people on eBay getting rid
of thier old tubular wheelsets - now that road clinchers are so good
people don't want tubulars, though for CX I still think they are the
best for racing. I've gotten two of my race wheelsets this way, for
less than $100 per set! Granted, tubies aren't all that practical for
training...

-Funke

--- In bayareacyclocross@yahoogroups.com, "mikesmith25"
<mikesmith25@...> wrote:
>
> I weigh 190+ and I'm ridin steel.  Any recommendations on affordable
wheels/rims?  I'm
> reluctant to try anything less than 32 spokes but I've had no
experience with such wheels.
> Hub quality is not an issue, a pair of Deore LX or XT hubs can last
me forever.  Thanks.
>

We don't need really deep aero wheels up 'round here.
Go for CXP 33's, or Velocity Fusion or Deep-V rims,
32', 3 cross, built by a competant wheel builder. You
will have bomb-proof wheels that should give you
several seasons of solid use. Hubs....your call.

Geoff Gunderson
Cycle SPorts/ Trumer Pils

--- mikesmith25 <mikesmith25@...> wrote:

> I weigh 190+ and I'm ridin steel.  Any
> recommendations on affordable wheels/rims?  I'm
> reluctant to try anything less than 32 spokes but
> I've had no experience with such wheels.
> Hub quality is not an issue, a pair of Deore LX or
> XT hubs can last me forever.  Thanks.
>
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I'd recommend any mavic wheelset as money allows (the more you spend the
better wheel you get ). I have a set of equipes I train on and beat the
crap out of that have been great since I bought them. I've seen alot of
guys doing well on elites as well, and I race SL's.

Eric

mikesmith25 wrote:

>I weigh 190+ and I'm ridin steel.  Any recommendations on affordable
wheels/rims?  I'm
>reluctant to try anything less than 32 spokes but I've had no experience with
such wheels.
>Hub quality is not an issue, a pair of Deore LX or XT hubs can last me forever.
Thanks.
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I weigh 190+ and I'm ridin steel.  Any recommendations on affordable
wheels/rims?  I'm
reluctant to try anything less than 32 spokes but I've had no experience with
such wheels.
Hub quality is not an issue, a pair of Deore LX or XT hubs can last me forever. 
Thanks.