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Re: [bayareacyclocross] CX upgrades

Typical,

How half assed! I (and we all) know folks who are 3's
and 2's because of their road licenses, and have never
even raced cross! USAC basically applied the road
upgrade system to 'cross. Except that if you win 2
races, that's yer 20 points.

Whatever, but it seems like a really half assed, lame
way to "deal" with the "problems" of self seeding.
Especially in light of the fact that there are so few
cross races compared to road races.

Hope my cat. 2 buddies have fun at their first cross
races, getting thumped, and yelled at by faster,
smoother racers. Wonder if those "A" cross racers are
gonna have to start at cat. 4 because they don't race
road?? That'd be fun, having to line up against some
really fast cross guy that was an A or strong B, but
has to start all over at cat. 4 because his road
license isn't a 3 or 2, or 1.

I'm sure there's an answer to that one as well, there
always is.

Oh well.

Geoff

--- Eric Sterner <eric.sterner@...> wrote:

> Just saw this on the USAcycling site:
>
> *USCF Cyclocross Upgrades*
>
> *Guidelines and Notes by Category:
> **4-3: Need 20 points in any 12-month period; or
> experience in 25 qualifying
> races with a minimum of 10 top-ten finishes. 30
> points in 12 months is an
> automatic upgrade.
> 3-2: Need 25 points in any 12-month period.40 points
> in 12 months is an
> automatic upgrade.
> 2-1: Need 25 points in any 12-month period. 40
> points in 12 months is an
> automatic upgrade.
> ****
> Qualifying races for each category:* *Category
> *
> *Class
> * *Duration
> * *Field
> * *Points Awarded
> * *4-3
> * *Men
> **Women
> **Junior
> * *30 min
> **30 min
> **30 min
> * *20
> **10
> **10
> * *10-7-5-4-3-2-1
> **7-5-3-2-1
> **7-5-3-2-1
> * *3-2
> * *Men
> **Women
> * *40 min
> **30 min
> * *30
> **20
> * *10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
> **10-7-5-4-3-2-1
> * *2-1
> * *Men
> **Women
> * *60 min
> **40 min
> * *30
> **20
> * *10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
> **10-7-5-4-3-2-1
> *
>
>
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *USA Cycling may add additional requirements for
> upgrading at their
> discretion. Any such changes shall be made available
> on the website.
>
>
> **5-4: Experience in 10 mass start races that meet
> the criteria in the table
> below (qualifying races). 4-3: 20 points in any
> 12-month period; or
> experience in 25 qualifying races with a minimum of
> 10 top ten finishes, or
> 20 pack finishes with fields over 50. 30 points in
> 12 months is an automatic
> upgrade3-2: 25 points in any 12-month period 60
> points in 12 months is an
> automatic upgrade2-1: 30 points in any 12-month
> period 60 points in 12
> months is an automatic upgradeUSA Cycling may add
> additional requirements
> for upgrading at their discretion. Any such changes
> shall be made available
> on the website.* For points earned in stage races,
> GC and stage places both
> count for points, but only up to a maximum of 20
> points from a single stage
> race.When deciding whether a rider qualifies for an
> upgrade, an
> administrator will take into account points earned
> in qualifying events per
> the table above. In the case of a rider who is
> marginally qualified, the
> quality of the events and the level of competition
> may be taken into
> account. A rider who wishes to downgrade may request
> a downgrade online or
> through their coordinator. Such requests will be
> evaluated individually. All
> track upgrades are processed by the Velodrome
> Managers using the following
> criteria (ATRA guidelines):Cat. 5 to Cat. 4 Complete
> a Velodrome Class or 4
> race days.Cat. 4 to Cat. 3 5 race days and 20
> pointsCat. 3 to Cat. 2 5 race
> days and 25 pointsCat. 2 to Cat. 1 5 race days and
> 30 pointsPoints:National
> championships, Category A, B, or C track race will
> be 7, 5,3,2,1 for each
> event.For all other events, upgrade points are
> 5,3,2,1 and are based on an
> omnium of the event's races. Additional
> Considerations:1. Ten person field
> minimum for category 3-5 and 20 person field minimum
> for upgrade to category
> 1. 2. Fifty percent of Upgrading points and number
> of times raced will be
> carried over to the next year. Points do not carry
> over to the next
> category. 3. When upgrading to a Cat. 1, points
> earned need to be from more
> than one velodrome. 4. A race day is defined as one
> full day of racing. A
> race day can include a number of events such as a
> kilometer, sprints or time
> trial, but it only counts as one race day. 5. Women
> and Juniors earn one
> point for every five race days when upgrading from
> Cat. 4 through Cat. 2.6.
> Races exempt from upgrading are Youth races and
> races of more that two
> categories (ie: "A" and "B" races).7. Results from
> other velodromes will be
> considered for upgrading. Downgrading:A rider may be
> downgraded by the
> Velodrome Manager for the following reasons: unsafe
> riding; lack of ability
> to compete in current category; or lack of placing
> within current category.
> *
>
>
> --
>
> ..::Sycip::RideSFO::..
>
>
> --
>
> ..::Sycip::RideSFO::..
>


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Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:16 am

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Just saw this on the USAcycling site: *USCF Cyclocross Upgrades* *Guidelines and Notes by Category: **4-3: Need 20 points in any 12-month period; or experience...
Eric Sterner
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Apr 21, 2006
11:56 pm

Typical, How half assed! I (and we all) know folks who are 3's and 2's because of their road licenses, and have never even raced cross! USAC basically applied...
Geoff Gunderson
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Apr 22, 2006
3:16 am

The buzz on the street is that local promoters will continue to offer A B C races rather than the new USAC 1 2 3 4 system. Just a rumor. Lorri...
Lorri Lee Lown
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Apr 22, 2006
1:50 pm

The question I have is which races are going to enforce the new system. In other words, I've raced Master's A at Nats the last 4 years but my license is a 4,...
Jeff
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Apr 22, 2006
5:39 pm

OK have no fear I just upgraded from Cat 4 to 3. Super easy just showed proof that I raced all last season with a few decent results. I think they're going...
Eric Sterner
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Apr 22, 2006
10:12 pm

CX upgrades should be no problem for anyone who has been racing CX. And, even if we offer the new Cat categories at our events, we will really only be paying...
Sabine Dukes
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Apr 27, 2006
9:45 pm

Well, I've just been informed by Casey that ignoring Categories could open up a liability issue for promotors. Add another reason to why promoting is such a...
Sabine Dukes
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Apr 27, 2006
10:15 pm

Since there are almost no Cross Cat.1s as of yet, I don't see complications except where we choose to make them for ourselves. A=1&2, B=3, C=4. As Eric said,...
GreggD
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Apr 27, 2006
11:36 pm

We don't even know what the upgrade requirements for cx are. Thats what makes this all a little fudgy. If you think not offering racing under USAC will result...
Sabine Dukes
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Apr 28, 2006
2:08 pm

... You can find the Cross upgrade requirements on Page 8 of the USAC rule book. You can download the rule book from here <https:// ...
Casey Kerrigan
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Apr 28, 2006
3:23 pm

Yes, I read the rules, but I was under the impression that right now you are using more discretion since the categories are new. Its that discretion that was...
Sabine Dukes
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Apr 28, 2006
3:54 pm

Maybe the term lowest common denominator isn't the best term but that is how I tend to think of riders who have been racing for several years yet seem to go...
Casey Kerrigan
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Apr 28, 2006
4:34 pm

What you are recommending is what I meant by not "paying attention" to the categories except for racing down in category. Of course, we will offer them (If we...
Sabine Dukes
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Apr 28, 2006
5:36 pm

Don't combined classes jeopardize the "qualifying" status of a race for those who are interested in earning upgrade points? A cat.3 can't earn upgrade points...
GreggD
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Apr 28, 2006
5:52 pm

... Who comes up with these stories? No racing in a combined class doesn't affect the ability to earn upgrade points. If you wanted to be a real stickler then...
Casey Kerrigan
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Apr 28, 2006
6:01 pm

There is no Masters A's at Nats. There are only age-group championship categories. If you're 33 then you're with 30-34 Masters regardless of category level....
GreggD
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Apr 24, 2006
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I believe the problem with that ABC stuff is that combined classes will mean these are not "qualifying races" (except for 4's racing with 3's, or 2's racing...
GreggD
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Apr 24, 2006
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