On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:00:54 -0800
"Michael Fox News Accout" <news@...> wrote:

> Is TASC going to support (score, enforce rules, etc.) the new IPSC single
> stack division?  If so, when?  January?

I don't know what the "official party line" is but Pete, John, and I were
talking about how we would score this.  I think for TASC we could be on our
honor as far as equipment is concerned.  John thinks that if no Revolvers
showed up he could just use that category for the scoring software.  I am
pretty sure the scoring software will not be updated for the division.  And,
personally, I don't want to burden our stats people with doing this by hand.

I think all we really need to do is show up with a few of us who want to shoot
that way.  One thing I would like to let slide is the mag size.  I think if we
downloaded our 10 round mags that would be fine by me.  Otherwise I am going to
have to buy at least one more 8 rounder...

Of course my 8round mag changes seem to be a bit faster than the 10rounders...
;-)  So perhaps I should cough up the money...

Ira

PS nice to see you use the new mailing list...  Not many people have joined...
:-(

On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:10:22 -0800
"Michael Fox News Accout" <news@...> wrote:

> James,
>
>
> I also read somewhere that for classification purposes, single stack scores
> will be applied to your previous "normal" division (don't know the proper
> terms to use here but I hope you get my meaning).  So, that would mean that
> single stack guys with 8-shot mags and holster limitations will be
> classified against limited guys with speed holsters and ten-shot mags.
>

Actually I read your classifiers would not count at all...  Personally I don't
care if they count my toward L10.  Also L10 and Limited Classes are so close
because of the mandatory reload in most classifiers that it probably will not
hurt.

>
>
>
> Hmmm.  I guess if we decide to shoot in the single stack division, we can
> say good-bye to meaningful classifications until the new division is
> formally accepted in a couple of years (assuming it is).  I guess we'll just
> have to rely on our own feeling of whether we did good or bad that day,
> rather than a meaningful score.
>
>

The other thing is we don't have to turn in the scores.  But of course this
does put more work on our stats guys.  Again something I did not want to see.
Or we just shoot SS on the weekend without the classifier!

Ira

Do we have stages planned?

I have been toying with an idea.  I have to see if I can get it to work though.

Here is a question.  Have you ever tried to activate a mover with something
small?  Say the size and weight of a 1/2 dollar coin?

Ira

There is a tremendous amount of interest in the USPSA Single Stack
Division, even if it is "provisional" for three years.

Just last weekend, Michael Voigt won CDP at the IDPA CA State
Championships: Single Stack is CDP with IPSC rules.

I would like to see at least one TASC match every two months designed
specifically for Single Stack rules.  All USPSA divisions could
compete, but the tactical orientation would be toward Single Stack.
I'm sure the match would draw a big crowd--so we might be able to
justify the cost of including Range 5 for that day, and really open up
the possibilities for an 8 or 10 stage match with well-planned
refitting between AM and PM.

Pete


--- In bauspsa@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Fox News Accout" <news@m...>
wrote:
>
> Is TASC going to support the new IPSC single
> stack division?

On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 23:49:06 -0000
"springerranch" <springerranch@...> wrote:

> This week's new shooter question:
>
>     For the TASC matches, do you care what bullet type I shoot?
> Specifically, is factory FMJ okay for the steel targets or do you want
> something that shows lead?
>

Factory FMJ is perfectly ok.  Steel is placed a minimum distance away as to be
safe.

Are you comming to our next match?  Have you shot USPSA before?

Hope to see you there,
Ira

Scott,

You will do more reloads with your 7 round mags than with the 10 but that is not
really a problem
to start... you can upgrade as you get more comfortable.

But, I would suggest you get a few mag pouches for your belt so you are not
pulling out of
pockets, at least not more than your last spare mag.  My guess is you will be
able to get mag
pouches that would work for the 7 or 10 round mags and can interchange as you
buy them.

Lorrie

--- Louie springer <springerranch@...> wrote:

> Yep.  I'll be at the next match if there's space in the newbies class (which
> means that nope, I've never stot uspsa before).
>
> I'm guessing that pocketfulls of 7-round mags won't be my biggest
> impediment.  Or should I trot out to Reed's and spend my lunch money on a
> pile of 10's?
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> >
> > > This week's new shooter question:
> > >
> > >     For the TASC matches, do you care what bullet type I shoot?
> > > Specifically, is factory FMJ okay for the steel targets or do you want
> > > something that shows lead?
> > >
> >
> >Factory FMJ is perfectly ok.  Steel is placed a minimum distance away as to
> >be safe.
> >
> >Are you comming to our next match?  Have you shot USPSA before?
> >
> >Hope to see you there,
> >Ira
> >
> >
>
>
>




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On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:23:50 -0800
"Howard Harter" <the3gunmaster@...> wrote:

>   Mag pouches make it safer to retrieve mags without as much worry of muzzle
> control while retrieving loaded sticks.  I am not trying to say anything bad
> Scott, but I have been swept by a muzzle a time or two in my day by having
> someone digging out a mag from their jeans pocket.  Once you outshoot the 7
> rounders you have then you should buy 10's.  Either that or you just get
> tired of reloading as often.
>
>

Yes this is definitely a safety thing.  For your first time, worry more about
good gun control, finger off of trigger until aiming at a target, muzzle
control, etc. and having a good time.  You _will_ be intimidated by the speed
of some of the shooters.  Don't let this get to you.  Shoot your game and have
fun.  I am sure you will be getting the 10rd mags soon enough...  I shot with
just a couple for a while and am finally up to 5!

Looking forward to seeing you out there.

Ira

On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 12:39:48AM -0000, springerranch wrote:
>    I need to have mags for about how many rounds for the average stage?

An average TASC match is unlikely to have more than about 30 rounds
on a stage.  If you have 5 7-rounders you should be OK just about all
of the time.  The highest round count stage I ever shot was at
Richmond and I used 6 10-round mags.  Wow!  This of course assumes
you don't miss much. :)

-Adam

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:44:37 -0800
"Michael Fox News Accout" <news@...> wrote:

> That depends.  What gun are you going to shoot?
>
>

Following your other thread of only having 7rds per mag...

I think the trick is that if the stage is say 18 rounds.  But you have 4 rounds
in one position, 8 in another, and 6 in another.  That is basically 2 reloads.
Pretty simple...

The trick is when you have 14 rounds in a stage...  You think ah ha!  2 mags
only.  But what if you have 4 rounds in one position, 6 in the next and 4 in
the final.  Here you might still want to do 2 reloads if there is enough
movement between the shooting positions to "do 2 things at a time"  (move and
reload.)  This is faster than running dry in position 2 and doing a standing
reload.

So there are many times you might drop rounds in the mag.  I would say have at
least 4 mags x 7rounds.  I am going to go on a limb here, assume you have a
1911 and say you can always borrow a mag if the stage has more than 28 rounds
in it (highly unlikely for a TASC match).

Ira

PS as James said hang out at league Monday night, perhaps later when we are
winding down as we get busy right at 6pm, and we will be happy to talk with you
more there.

I got something drawn up.

Tell me what you guys think.

Ira

Len and I have been discussing my stage and have come up with this instead.

Ira

I read this thread over at the Brian Enos forums and was thinking "what would
TASC do in this situation".

Some background on the thread.  Apparently an experienced junior shooter
(11yrs/NOT USPSA but ICORE etc.) and his dad showed up at a USPSA match.  The
Dad is a USPSA member but the kid is not.  The kid was told he was required to
take a "safety course" but it "would have to be scheduled".  (The schedule seem
to be elusive and they went home unhappy.)

The Thread:

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=29553&st=0

My questions to you:

What would TASC do if it was a new shooter weekend?

What if NOT a new shooter weekend?

One of the differences which comes to mind is that we have pretty good info
about what you have to do to shoot with us for the first time (new shooter).  I
do not get the feeling from this thread that the fact the shooter was a Junior
had anything to do with it but?

What do you all think?
Ira

On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 11:16:29PM -0800, Ira Weiny wrote:
> I read this thread over at the Brian Enos forums and was thinking "what would
> TASC do in this situation".
>
> Some background on the thread.  Apparently an experienced junior shooter
> (11yrs/NOT USPSA but ICORE etc.) and his dad showed up at a USPSA match.  The
> Dad is a USPSA member but the kid is not.  The kid was told he was required to
> take a "safety course" but it "would have to be scheduled".  (The schedule
seem
> to be elusive and they went home unhappy.)

I think this is exactly why TASC has the safety class.  The class is
held regularly and at a well defined time.  Whether a new shooter is
a junior, a senior, or random Joe off the street it does make sense to
verify a basic level of understanding of safety principles and the
USPSA rules.

It seems like a USPSA safe handgun competitor card would
have gone a long way to having this particular situation not happen.  It
also seems like calling ahead is a good plan if you're going to shoot a
match/with a club you are unfamiliar with.  This is certainly how it
worked the first time I shot TASC and I don't think it would be any
different for any other new shooter.  I can think of at least one
father/son group who attened the new shooters class and shot the
afternoon stages at TASC.  In this case the son was older than 11
but I don't think that would be an issue.

I know of no rule arbitratily limited shooter eligability by
age.  The only rule I can find in the rulebook that seems to apply
is A3 3 US(b) which simply states that to be recognized in the Junior
category you must be under 18 on the first day of the match.

-Adam

On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 12:25:29AM -0800, Adam Bertsch wrote:
> I know of no rule arbitratily limited shooter eligability by
> age.  The only rule I can find in the rulebook that seems to apply
> is A3 3 US(b) which simply states that to be recognized in the Junior
> category you must be under 18 on the first day of the match.

Ok, I should not try to type after midnight (or ever for that matter).
Let me try again:

I know of no rule arbitrarily limiting shooter eligibility by
age.  The only rule I can find in the rulebook that seems to apply
is Appendix A2.3.US(b) which simply states that to be recognized in the
Junior category you must be under 18 on the first day of the match.

-Adam

--- In bauspsa@yahoogroups.com, "springerranch" <springerranch@h...>
wrote:
>
> Got a local gunsmith you like?  In the south Bay?  Who can get to
your
> job before the baseball season?
>
> Please drop me a line if you know anyone that sounds like that.
Okay,
> how about if I drop the South Bay part?
>
> Thanks,
> scott
>
Scott,
Try John Jardine at 510-489-8477. Tell him that Len Fyock
recommended you. He does GREAT work on 1911's. You can preview some
at his  web site which I think is Jardinecustom.com ???
You can Google John Jardine I suspect. Good luck...Len
PS. you may have to leave more than one phone call to get
thru to him. Once you make contact things go ok after that.

This note to alert TASC and other Bay Area shooters that with the TASC
board's concurrence, Len and I will be moving quickly to establish
regular Single Stack special matches on the TASC schedule for 2006.
Other divisions will always be welcome, but stage design and match
orientation will be toward the new Single Stack Provsional Division.
It is my hope that we will be able to include Chabot Range 5 for these
matches, to support a large turn out and facilitate a six or more
stage match.

More to come,
Pete



--- In bauspsa@yahoogroups.com, "nexialquest" <prax@n...> wrote:
>
> There is a tremendous amount of interest in the USPSA Single Stack
> Division, even if it is "provisional" for three years.
>
> Just last weekend, Michael Voigt won CDP at the IDPA CA State
> Championships: Single Stack is CDP with IPSC rules.
>
> I would like to see at least one TASC match every two months designed
> specifically for Single Stack rules.  All USPSA divisions could
> compete, but the tactical orientation would be toward Single Stack.
> I'm sure the match would draw a big crowd--so we might be able to
> justify the cost of including Range 5 for that day, and really open up
> the possibilities for an 8 or 10 stage match with well-planned
> refitting between AM and PM.
>
> Pete
>
>
> --- In bauspsa@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Fox News Accout" <news@m...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Is TASC going to support the new IPSC single
> > stack division?
>

Pete forgot to mention that TASC is looking for a volunteer
  or volunteers to do the following regarding SS
DIV:

     * Obtain new SS rules
     * Define SS equipment
     * Meet with John Galloway to ensure match
       scoring will work
     * Act as SS Match Director

If we can get these things answered we will try for an SS match
  in early 06. (the match will be open to all shooters but we
  will have special trophys/prizes for SS shooters only.
   TASC USED TO DO THIS EVERY YEAR.....

VOLUNTEERS SHOULD CONTACT PETE ASAP....thanks ...Len...


--- In bauspsa@yahoogroups.com, "nexialquest" <prax@n...> wrote:
>
> This note to alert TASC and other Bay Area shooters that with the
TASC
> board's concurrence, Len and I will be moving quickly to establish
> regular Single Stack special matches on the TASC schedule for
2006.
> Other divisions will always be welcome, but stage design and match
> orientation will be toward the new Single Stack Provsional
Division.
> It is my hope that we will be able to include Chabot Range 5 for
these
> matches, to support a large turn out and facilitate a six or more
> stage match.
>
> More to come,
> Pete
>
>
>
> --- In bauspsa@yahoogroups.com, "nexialquest" <prax@n...> wrote:
> >
> > There is a tremendous amount of interest in the USPSA Single
Stack
> > Division, even if it is "provisional" for three years.
> >
> > Just last weekend, Michael Voigt won CDP at the IDPA CA State
> > Championships: Single Stack is CDP with IPSC rules.
> >
> > I would like to see at least one TASC match every two months
designed
> > specifically for Single Stack rules.  All USPSA divisions could
> > compete, but the tactical orientation would be toward Single
Stack.
> > I'm sure the match would draw a big crowd--so we might be able to
> > justify the cost of including Range 5 for that day, and really
open up
> > the possibilities for an 8 or 10 stage match with well-planned
> > refitting between AM and PM.
> >
> > Pete
> >
> >
> > --- In bauspsa@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Fox News Accout"
<news@m...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Is TASC going to support the new IPSC single
> > > stack division?
> >
>

Hi all, as MD for the match Thanksgiving weekend I would like to have anyone who
would like to submit a diagram of the stage.  They can do it to the list or me
directly.

If you send to me directly copy Pete and Len.  Or I will forward it to them.  I
need 3 stages.  We are going to do 1 classifier which I have not decided on yet.
There are a lot of good ones out there...  But some of the more fun looking ones
seem to have a lot of props...  :-(

Thanks in advance,
Ira

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:28:32 -0800
Ira Weiny <iweiny@...> wrote:

> Hi all, as MD for the match Thanksgiving weekend I would like to have anyone
> who would like to submit a diagram of the stage.  They can do it to the list
> or me directly.

OK I wrote this kind of quick and the english is pretty bad.  IF you are
someone who has stage ideas.  Or if you are someone whom I spoke to at the last
match.  And you have a stage you want to do at the next match.  Please send it
to me, Pete, and Len.  Is that more clear...

Sorry, and thanks,
Ira

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