On 9/29/06, linuxshaman <lawson@...> wrote:
> Gentleman posed with his blackthorn.  As noted by the person who
> placed the photo up (Daithi - owner of the website), note that it's so
> important to him, so much a part of his life, that he'll not
> relenquish it even for a formal photograph.
>
> http://www.knives.com/image/stories/blackthorn.jpg


Very nice pic Kirk! Thanks for sharing it with us.

ken

Gentleman posed with his blackthorn.  As noted by the person who
placed the photo up (Daithi - owner of the website), note that it's so
important to him, so much a part of his life, that he'll not
relenquish it even for a formal photograph.

http://www.knives.com/image/stories/blackthorn.jpg

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

I am surprised this has not been posted yet since it is going to be a
huge event....

Paddy Crean Art of the Sword Workshop
http://www.iosp.org/index.php/Paddy_Crean_Art_of_the_Sword_Workshop

I have flyers I can mail out to interested parties or you can get the
info from the website.

Looks like a real interesting way to sepnd New Years!

ken

Hey Thug:
My apologies for taking so long to respond.
We have just got the club outfitted and are having the
gui's made up at present. I had a conference call with
the two main guys who will be running the club , and
we all agree that this club has to mature into itself
before it opens itself to the public. It is an
expensive endeavour to outfit yourself let alone have
extra stuff for new people. We also feel that the club
needs to develop it's own experience and style before
it is available on this basis. There are eight members
there, five of which will be competing in the
Heavyweight Open category.  The amount of experience
that the two main guys share, is extreme. They will be
ready in no time.
We are all looking forward to the two clubs clashing
in the spring sometime, if you would like I can keep
you posted if you would like to attend. It is not yet
decided if it will be in Edmonton or Vancouver. I am
hoping for Vancouver and so far that is the general
consensus.

--- Thomas potter <thespianthug@...> wrote:

>
> Hey there John how do I get in contact with these
> lads??
>
> >From: "John P. Sullivan 5" <suullly@...>
> >Reply-To: bata@yahoogroups.com
> >To: bata@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: RE: [bata] Vancouver Seminar?
> >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:04:04 -0400 (EDT)
> >
> >These guys are the newly formed   M.S.P. Vancouver
> >Faction.
> >They are a great group of guys who will be adding
> much
> >to our Project. They are tough well disciplined,
> well
> >coached and well trained with great desire to keep
> it
> >rough. I will be updating our website with a full
> >video essay on the new faction as soon as I get
> some
> >time. We will be holding a round robin tourney this
> >spring in order to better ourselves through some
> >healthy competition. I will guarantee that these
> boys
> >will be up to the task. I will let the video from
> the
> >weekend speak for itself. These guys are serious
> and
> >they play for keeps. Notice has been served.
> >
> >
>
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Hey there John how do I get in contact with these lads??

>From: "John P. Sullivan 5" <suullly@...>
>Reply-To: bata@yahoogroups.com
>To: bata@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [bata] Vancouver Seminar?
>Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:04:04 -0400 (EDT)
>
>These guys are the newly formed   M.S.P. Vancouver
>Faction.
>They are a great group of guys who will be adding much
>to our Project. They are tough well disciplined, well
>coached and well trained with great desire to keep it
>rough. I will be updating our website with a full
>video essay on the new faction as soon as I get some
>time. We will be holding a round robin tourney this
>spring in order to better ourselves through some
>healthy competition. I will guarantee that these boys
>will be up to the task. I will let the video from the
>weekend speak for itself. These guys are serious and
>they play for keeps. Notice has been served.
>
>

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These guys are the newly formed   M.S.P. Vancouver
Faction.
They are a great group of guys who will be adding much
to our Project. They are tough well disciplined, well
coached and well trained with great desire to keep it
rough. I will be updating our website with a full
video essay on the new faction as soon as I get some
time. We will be holding a round robin tourney this
spring in order to better ourselves through some
healthy competition. I will guarantee that these boys
will be up to the task. I will let the video from the
weekend speak for itself. These guys are serious and
they play for keeps. Notice has been served.



--- Dirk <defolmer@...> wrote:

>
> WHOA! Hold the phone and mark your calendars! JP
> just complained abour SOMEBODY ELSE hitting hard!
> As a rattan user, I am now officially scared of
> these people! :-)
>
>
> Dirk
> "Speak  softly and carry a big stick; you will go
> far"
> Theodore Roosevelt   Sept 3, 1901
>
>
>  --- On Tue 09/19, John P. Sullivan 5 <
> suullly@... > wrote:
> From: John P. Sullivan 5 [mailto: suullly@...]
>
> Hey Thomas:<br>
> I am glad to hear from you , ufortunately I left
> for<br>
> Van. On the 13th and did not check my e mail till
> now.<br>
> You missed one hell of a weekend. Great fights ,
> great<br>
> food, great people. I learned a lot from those
> guys.<br>
> but boy do they hit hard.
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WHOA! Hold the phone and mark your calendars! JP just complained abour SOMEBODY
ELSE hitting hard!
As a rattan user, I am now officially scared of these people! :-)


Dirk
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Theodore Roosevelt   Sept 3, 1901


  --- On Tue 09/19, John P. Sullivan 5 < suullly@... > wrote:
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Hey Thomas:<br>
I am glad to hear from you , ufortunately I left for<br>
Van. On the 13th and did not check my e mail till now.<br>
You missed one hell of a weekend. Great fights , great<br>
food, great people. I learned a lot from those guys.<br>
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Hi Gary,

On 9/17/06, x x <kon861@...> wrote:
> Thanks Ken... I can't beleive I didn't look in the
> groups files for these (I never claimed to be smart
> :-)

I think you would be surprised at how many people on these type of
lists never check the group page for the extras.

> There are some great examples of exactly the kind of
> sticks I was asking about, I noticed though that about
> half of them didn't have knobs on the end.

I think we can just assume that sometimes they did not have a knob on
the end. I prefer one with some weight and that forward balance but
perhaps not everyone did.

  I also
> noticed in a few of the pics the Irish were portrayed
> with monkey faces.

yeah that is pretty disgusting and sadly pretty common for the period.
Easier to treat people like animals if that is how you see them.

ken

Hey Thomas:
I am glad to hear from you , ufortunately I left for
Van. On the 13th and did not check my e mail till now.
You missed one hell of a weekend. Great fights , great
food, great people. I learned a lot from those guys.
but boy do they hit hard.

--- Thomas potter <thespianthug@...> wrote:

>
> Hey there John how goes the battle!? I'm very
> interested So if you could get
> some info to me that would be greatfully
> appreciated. My house computer is
> dead but I should be checking this one tomorrow or a
> call on my cell 604 644
> 9468. Thanks
> Thomas J Potter
>
> >From: "John Sullivan" <suullly@...>
> >
> >The M.S.P. will be offereing a 3 hour introductory
> seminar
> >in Vancouver B.C. on Sunday  Sept 17,  2006  11:00
> am. - 2:00 pm.
> >
> >
> >We will be focusing on the rudiments of attack and
> defense as well as the
> >rules and
> >equipment needed for full contact play.
> >If there are any interested lurkers in the lower
> mainland area
> >this is a great chance to dive in.
> >There will also be full contact bouts after the
> seminar.
> >I think a bbq as well.
> >
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Thanks Ken... I can't beleive I didn't look in the
groups files for these (I never claimed to be smart
:-)
There are some great examples of exactly the kind of
sticks I was asking about, I noticed though that about
half of them didn't have knobs on the end. I also
noticed in a few of the pics the Irish were portrayed
with monkey faces.

Thanks

Gary

--- Ken Pfrenger <kenpfrenger@...> wrote:

> On 9/16/06, x x <kon861@...> wrote:
>
> > Are there any examples online that you could point
> me
> > to?
>
> There are a few examples in the groups photo
> section:
>
http://sports.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bata/photos/browse/1cd4
> A few on this page, particularly the last two
> pictures:
> http://www.geocities.com/cinaet/bataart.html
> >
> > > I don't think any
> > > I have seen are
> > > as stout and Brendan Gleesons characters in GoNY
> but
> > > bigger sticks are
> > > definitely more dramatic. The question might be
> > > asked how to use them
> > > and I would say pretty much like how we use the
> > > longer stick but
> > > without and thought of defence with the butt
> end.
> >
> > I was thinking about making a stick like this, but
> I
> > didn't want to if there was no real history of
> them.
>
> A shorter stout stick is a great weapon. I have made
> a few myself but
> there is always that balance between stoutness and
> weight that needs
> to be considered.
>
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ha ha ha ha ha

Ysidro <ysidro@...> wrote:          On 9/15/06, Cead Bua Fighting Faction
<cead_bua@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- mmikhalkov <mmikhalkov@...> wrote:
>
> >I was a mediocre marshal artist until I found this
> > book
>
> "MARTIAL artist."!
>
>
MARITAL artist!

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On 9/16/06, x x <kon861@...> wrote:

> Are there any examples online that you could point me
> to?

There are a few examples in the groups photo section:
http://sports.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bata/photos/browse/1cd4
A few on this page, particularly the last two pictures:
http://www.geocities.com/cinaet/bataart.html
>
> > I don't think any
> > I have seen are
> > as stout and Brendan Gleesons characters in GoNY but
> > bigger sticks are
> > definitely more dramatic. The question might be
> > asked how to use them
> > and I would say pretty much like how we use the
> > longer stick but
> > without and thought of defence with the butt end.
>
> I was thinking about making a stick like this, but I
> didn't want to if there was no real history of them.

A shorter stout stick is a great weapon. I have made a few myself but
there is always that balance between stoutness and weight that needs
to be considered.

Ken

Thanks Ken.

> Hi Gary,
>
> There is plenty of period artwork that show a club
> pretty much along
> the lines of the one you describe.

Are there any examples online that you could point me
to?

> I don't think any
> I have seen are
> as stout and Brendan Gleesons characters in GoNY but
> bigger sticks are
> definitely more dramatic. The question might be
> asked how to use them
> and I would say pretty much like how we use the
> longer stick but
> without and thought of defence with the butt end.

I was thinking about making a stick like this, but I
didn't want to if there was no real history of them.

Thanks

Gary


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Wow, this list has become so 'constructive'.

--- Ysidro <ysidro@...> wrote:

> On 9/15/06, Cead Bua Fighting Faction
> <cead_bua@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- mmikhalkov <mmikhalkov@...> wrote:
> >
> > >I was a mediocre marshal artist until I found
> this
> > > book
> >
> > "MARTIAL artist."!
> >
> >
> MARITAL artist!
>
> Greg
> --
> "The essence of balance is detachment. To embrace a
> cause, to grow fond or
> spiteful, is to lose one's balance, after which, no
> action can be trusted.
> Our
> burden is not for the dependent of spirit."
>      -- Mayar, Third Keeper

Sincerely,

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I likes his way better :P
   sounds nicer
   kinda like my "Grand Champion" title
   ashida kim gives 40$ black belts in vale tudo
   wonder if I can get 10 blackbelts and be a 10th degree black belt?
   (I do have 10 belts so you cant argue)
   got into a fight with a nutria (very large rodent similar to a beaver or
raccoon on steroids)
   apperantly our heroics were cut short to a patented GC (Grand Champion)stab to
the throat
   this great warrior of the nutria race was brave enough to grace me with  his
violence for 5 rounds before the ill fated stab (thank you great  god of the
blade Gerber Knives inc. for the masterpiece fixed bladed  belt knife)
   watching my opponent retire from under the apple tree that our heroic  trials
by combat were judged and praying for his health so that one day  again we might
meet again
   I comtemplated such a battle as my eyes closed again for the night


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On 9/15/06, Cead Bua Fighting Faction <cead_bua@...> wrote:
   >
   >
   > --- mmikhalkov <mmikhalkov@...> wrote:
   >
   > >I was a mediocre marshal artist until I found this
   > > book
   >
   > "MARTIAL artist."!
   >
   >
   MARITAL artist!

   Greg
   --
   "The essence of balance is detachment. To embrace a cause, to grow fond or
   spiteful, is to lose one's balance, after which, no action can be trusted.
   Our
   burden is not for the dependent of spirit."
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On 9/15/06, Cead Bua Fighting Faction <cead_bua@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- mmikhalkov <mmikhalkov@...> wrote:
>
> >I was a mediocre marshal artist until I found this
> > book
>
> "MARTIAL artist."!
>
>
MARITAL artist!

Greg
--
"The essence of balance is detachment. To embrace a cause, to grow fond or
spiteful, is to lose one's balance, after which, no action can be trusted.
Our
burden is not for the dependent of spirit."
      -- Mayar, Third Keeper


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--- mmikhalkov <mmikhalkov@...> wrote:

>I was a mediocre marshal artist until I found this
> book

"MARTIAL artist."!


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>
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>
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> I learned what the masters knew that they didn't want to reveal!
> This book helped me land a role in the James Bond film Casino Royale,
> what will it do for you?
>

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Hey there John how goes the battle!? I'm very interested So if you could get
some info to me that would be greatfully appreciated. My house computer is
dead but I should be checking this one tomorrow or a call on my cell 604 644
9468. Thanks
Thomas J Potter

>From: "John Sullivan" <suullly@...>
>
>The M.S.P. will be offereing a 3 hour introductory seminar
>in Vancouver B.C. on Sunday  Sept 17,  2006  11:00 am. - 2:00 pm.
>
>
>We will be focusing on the rudiments of attack and defense as well as the
>rules and
>equipment needed for full contact play.
>If there are any interested lurkers in the lower mainland area
>this is a great chance to dive in.
>There will also be full contact bouts after the seminar.
>I think a bbq as well.
>
>  There is no cost assosiated with this seminar.
>
>
>
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>
> >  as for it use , step 1 , strike opponent , step 2
> , repeat step 1 , step 3
> > , repeat steps 1 and 2 until you achieve desired
> result !


If it were only that simple.

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On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 11:41 -0700, feargal gallagher wrote:
> Ah! The 19th century , that would probably a ' she-lay-lee ' ( not correct
spelling,
> can't remember it right now ) ,

"Shillelagh"


>  commonly made from blackthorn ,

Or Oak (from whence it gets it's name), Ash, Holly, or any other native
wood of appropriate attributes.  :-)


>  as for it use , step 1 , strike opponent , step 2 , repeat step 1 , step 3
> , repeat steps 1 and 2 until you achieve desired result !

My favorite style: "It's a stick.  Hit him with it."  :-)

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Ah! The 19th century , that would probably a ' she-lay-lee ' ( not correct
spelling , can't remember it right now ) , commonly made from blackthorn , very
hard and covered with a lot of knobbly bits , as for it use , step 1 , strike
opponent , step 2 , repeat step 1 , step 3 , repeat steps 1 and 2 until you
achieve desired result !

Ken Pfrenger <kenpfrenger@...> wrote:  On 9/11/06, x x wrote:
> You are half right... I was actually refering to a
> movie prop from "Gangs of New York" one of the Irish
> characters carries a short knobbed cudgel (with
> notches carved into it)... What I was trying to find
> out is: Is there any history of such a weapon being
> used for fighting by the Irish in the 19th century?

Hi Gary,

There is plenty of period artwork that show a clun pretty much along
the lines of the one you describe. I don't think any I have seen are
as stout and Brendan Gleesons characters in GoNY but bigger sticks are
definitely more dramatic. The question might be asked how to use them
and I would say pretty much like how we use the longer stick but
without and thought of defence with the butt end.

ken


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Sooo, dude...  On one hand we have Mr. Svinth, a known MA researcher who
went out of his way to make information available on a question (and it is
available...) and on the other we have you rudely complaining about your
inability to access the information...So, my thanks to Joe for the
information... and ehhh to you...

Keith (who's a little perturbed that someone who can't bring themselves to
contribute anything is being rude to someone who does...)

>From: John Higginbotham <johnghigginbotham@...>
>Reply-To: bata@yahoogroups.com
>To: bata@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [bata] Day sticks and such
>Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:40:52 -0700 (PDT)
>
>no dude. he can go click on them himself if he cares to...  I'll say two
>worked out of the whole post. but those two were good, if thats any
>consolation.. so, thanks for what did work.. and ehh to the others..
>
>James Marwood <james.marwood@...> wrote:          John Higginbotham
>wrote:
> > thanks, but many of these links dont work.
> >
> >
>And you couldn't tell him which ones?
>
>All but the NYC Police one worked for me - The correct link is
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>http://www.geocities.com/cinaet/cumannbhata.html
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

no dude. he can go click on them himself if he cares to...  I'll say two worked
out of the whole post. but those two were good, if thats any consolation.. so,
thanks for what did work.. and ehh to the others..

James Marwood <james.marwood@...> wrote:          John Higginbotham wrote:
> thanks, but many of these links dont work.
>
>
And you couldn't tell him which ones?

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no dude. he can go click on them himself if he cares to...  I'll say two worked
out of the whole post. but those two were good, if thats any consolation.. so,
thanks for what did work.. and ehh to the others..

James Marwood <james.marwood@...> wrote:          John Higginbotham wrote:
> thanks, but many of these links dont work.
>
>
And you couldn't tell him which ones?

All but the NYC Police one worked for me - The correct link is
http://www.nycpolicemuseum.org/html/faq.html





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On 9/11/06, x x <kon861@...> wrote:
> You are half right... I was actually refering to a
> movie prop from "Gangs of New York" one of the Irish
> characters carries a short knobbed cudgel (with
> notches carved into it)... What I was trying to find
> out is: Is there any history of such a weapon being
> used for fighting by the Irish in the 19th century?

Hi Gary,

There is plenty of period artwork that show a clun pretty much along
the lines of the one you describe. I don't think any I have seen are
as stout and Brendan Gleesons characters in GoNY but bigger sticks are
definitely more dramatic. The question might be asked how to use them
and I would say pretty much like how we use the longer stick but
without and thought of defence with the butt end.

ken

x x wrote:
> You are half right... I was actually refering to a
> movie prop from "Gangs of New York" one of the Irish
> characters carries a short knobbed cudgel (with
> notches carved into it)... What I was trying to find
> out is: Is there any history of such a weapon being
> used for fighting by the Irish in the 19th century?
>
> Thanks
>
> Gary
>
>

I think it is just a short, heavy cudgel - a typical barkeepers friend.

You are half right... I was actually refering to a
movie prop from "Gangs of New York" one of the Irish
characters carries a short knobbed cudgel (with
notches carved into it)... What I was trying to find
out is: Is there any history of such a weapon being
used for fighting by the Irish in the 19th century?

Thanks

Gary

--- feargal gallagher <feargalmadbastard@...>
wrote:

> Hi ! What I think you may be refering to is indeed a
> war club , used in the bronze age , it had a spiked
> or knobbed head made of bronze , mounted on a wooden
> shaft .
>
>
>
> x x <kon861@...> wrote:
>   Thanks again Joe.
>
> All good information. The stick I was wondering
> about
> though was a knobbed stick (similar to the bata) but
> a
> short stick 24-30 inches long with a knob...
> (basically a war club) Used historically by the
> Irish.
>
> Thanks
>
> Gary
>
> --- Joseph R Svinth wrote:
>
> > Gary --
> >
> > Lots of folks used knobbed sticks. The Zulu weapon
> > is an example. (In
> > English, they're called knobkerrie, but in Zulu,
> > they'd be iwisa. For
> > pix, see
> > http://www.rrtraders.com/weapons/zulu-iwisa.htm
> and
> >
>
http://www.rrtraders.com/weapons/zulu-iwisa-weapon.htm.
> > Kim Taylor will
> > make you one for a lot less than that, out of any
> > wood you like, to
> > include exotics that you'd be insane to use for
> > anything but walking
> > sticks.
> >
>
http://sdksupplies.netfirms.com/cat_walkingsticks.htm.)
> >
> > For pix of Irish knobbed sticks, try
> >
> http://www.walkingequipment.com/knobedwoodcanes.htm.
> > The links include
> > Ken's site. Don't dare use me as an authority on
> > this, but I believe the
> > Gaelic word for a knobbed stick is cleh alpeen
> > (ailpin). See, for
> > example,
> >
>
http://www.eiretek.org/chapters/books/Joycenglish/vocab1.htm
> > and
> > http://johnwhurley.com/shillelagh.htm.
> >
> > As for the difference between a stick and a cane,
> > well, in the
> > seventeenth century, a stick was hardwood while a
> > cane was bamboo or
> > rattan.
> >
> > Drumsticks can also be knobbed. I mention this
> > because it is generally
> > easier to explain to the constable why one is
> > carrying a drumstick to the
> > fair than why one is carrying a lead-shotted club
> > and a Bowie knife. For
> > images of Irish drumsticks, see, for example,
> >
>
http://www.celtic-instruments.com/section/MusicalInstruments/search/Bodhr
> > an%2BAccessories/Page/1. (Or, as Mae West might
> > have said: Is that a
> > shillelagh in your pocket, or are you just glad to
> > see me?)
> >
> > From http://www.nycpolicemuseum.org/html/faq.html:
> >
> > WHY ARE "NIGHT-STICKS" CALLED BY THAT NAME?
> > Police Officers used to carry two kinds of sticks
> or
> > batons. The first
> > was called a day-stick and was approximately 11
> > inches long. The second
> > was called a night-stick and was approximately 26
> > inches long. Both
> > sticks were made of wood, typically oak or
> mahogany,
> > and had a leather
> > thong or lanyard through the handle so that it
> could
> > be carried or hung
> > from the officer's hand while on patrol. The
> > night-stick was longer
> > because it afforded extra protection when carried
> by
> > officers at night.
> > Today, the night stick is carried by officers on
> all
> > tours.
> >
> > Joe
> >
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> > removed]
> >
> >
>
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