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To speed up the learning curve, we each took one of
the styles to workshop exclusively. Blackout ( in
grey) as well as two other members are working on the
Two Hand Low system and Richtor (white), likes the
Two Hand High style. Im (in Black) sticking with the
One Third Grip.

Click on the blue link below to check our progress.

http://members.shaw.ca/johns1010/longstyle1.html

http://members.shaw.ca/johns1010/long1.html

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#5543

From: <scotty_weeks@...>
Date: Tue Nov 1, 2005 1:20 am
Subject: Re: Hurling

holycelticna...

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OH NO, here we go again. Hurley. Martial sport or no??
Never mind I won't start it again. hehe Glad you are enjoying it, it would be a
great sport to have here in the US.

Scotty
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#5542

From: "John P. Sullivan 5" <suullly@...>
Date: Tue Nov 1, 2005 1:03 am
Subject: Re: Faction Fight?

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Do you live in that area Micheal ?

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From: "Dirk" <defolmer@...>
Date: Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:45 pm
Subject: Re: Faction Fight?

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it;s been years...Boulder got any good, cheap venues?


Dirk
"Walk softly...."
Well, you know the rest.

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From: Rob Barton <robtbarton@...>
Date: Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:13 pm
Subject: Hurling

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Hello Folks,
Just wanted to say hi and let everyone know that my friend brought some
hurleys and sliters back from Ireland for the kids and me. What a good
workout your shick hand get playing this game. Not to mention that I
would hate to be hit by one of these sticks. But the boys love it and it
is a quick way to improve eye/hand/stick coordination. Great fun and
will certainly help your stick fighting training.
Rob

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#5539

From: "Michael P. Thompson" <thompson@...>
Date: Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:12 pm
Subject: Re: Faction Fight?

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#5538

From: "John Sullivan" <suullly@...>
Date: Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:06 am
Subject: Crazy night of practise

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We have been trying a more traditional style as of late using the one third grip
as well
It sure is a lot of fun
Here is a good short clip from last nights practice , I'm in black
We will be putting some of the crazier ones on our website. ( Lots of bruises)

http://members.shaw.ca/johns1010/long1.html

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#5537

From: "Mark Rainey" <themark@...>
Date: Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:41 pm
Subject: Re: Stav Organization Opening in USA

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I'm sure it's all well and good as a form of excersize or "honing mind and
body"....I just hate in when people try to pass their art off as an
"authentic" fighty/spirity/ancient thingy.

Mark, the Duct Tape Warrior

PS: hmm....an ironic statement coming from a guy who practises an ancient
fighty thingy and yet is named after duct tape.....

#5536

From: William Adkins <winkleried@...>
Date: Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:23 am
Subject: Re: Stav Organization Opening in USA

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Trust me STAV has a very bad reputation among the WMA. Has something to do with
applying akido concepts while forcing stances based only superfically on the old
runic writing. Now this is based on what i have heard from senior WMA
practioners. A member of the Quarterstaff1 group was trying to apply it to thier
fighting and found it just about unworkable.
Marc Adkins

x x <kon861@...> wrote:

I'm sorry if this offends, however, I have a hard time
with the image of an Irishman practicing a tai-chi
style form when there were farming dutys to be
done... The Irish have a long history of
raising animals, druidism, seasonal rituals etc. I
have however never read anything about certian forms
that were practiced... could be wrong, I dunno...

Gary

--- hugh_b_long wrote:

> Graham Butcher & Hugh Long would like to announce
> the official launch
> of "Ice & Fire U.S.A." Stav (Northern European
> Mind-Body-Spirit System)
>
> website http://www.stav-usa.com
>
> As many of you may, or may not know, Stav is the
> authentic Northern
> European Mind-Body-Sprirt System (kind of like
> Western Tai-Chi in some
> aspects)
>
> It incorporates Rune Stances, Martial Arts - using
> unarmed combat and
> historical European Weapons such as the staff,
> battle axe, spear, and
> long-sword. It also encompasses health and healing
> techniques,
> meditation & herb & rune lore.
>
> Ice & Fire U.S.A. will provide:
>
> � A Minimum of 2 seminar opportunities annually in
> the USA with Graham
> Butcher or other senior Stav Instructor
> � A Members only section on the website (Ice & Fire
> USA or UK) with
> access to exclusive content such as: extended video
> clips of weapons
> drills, rune stances etc. Online PDF's of Stav
> Manuals and much more
> � Rich articles on Stav & related topics
> � Relevant source materials such as the Eddas
> � Topical Discussion Forums � for the Global Stav
> community (can be
> put inside a frame on any Stav site so that we all
> see and use the
> same forum � contact hugh@... for details)
> � Live Chat facility � get online and chat with
> other Stav
> folks�schedule a meeting and chat if you like.
> � Distance Learning Guidelines & Support material
> including video clips
> o Recognizing that in North America our members may
> be highly
> distributed, we have started putting together
> guielines and material
> to support the remote study of Stav until a student
> can attend a class
> and/or seminar, and to act as a reference for
> others.
> � A Wyrd Blog � regular updates via our blog
> � Stav Books and Merchandise for sale to members &
> the general public
> (mugs, t-shirts etc.)
>
> Please read on below for an introduction by our
> Master Instructor
> Graham Butcher.
>
> Welcome to the Ice and Fire U.S.A. Stav website.
>
> My name is Graham Butcher and I have been a student
> of Stav under Ivar
> Hafskjold since 1991. In 1996 I moved from Yorkshire
> in the UK to
> Oxford where I established a Stav Hov and began
> teaching students of
> my own. With the assistance of my students we began
> to develop ways of
> learning and practicing the essential knowledge and
> principles of the
> Stav tradition. This has developed steadily over the
> past 9 years and
> my group now has around 60 members, several of whom
> are now able to
> teach Stav in their own right.
>
> We organize regular courses and weekly classes in
> the U.K., where we
> attempt to teach, and encourage the practice of, as
> many aspects of
> Stav as possible. A large proportion of the training
> we offer is
> martial arts based since this provides a good frame
> work for regular
> teaching and practice of Stav. It also provides a
> dynamic way of
> exploring and testing our understanding of the
> principles of Stav.
> Training in all aspects of Stav is covered in our
> yearly cycle of
> training courses held in the South of the UK. I also
> have long
> established students in Germany whom I visit to
> teach and train with
> on a regular basis.
>
> Three years ago we set up Ice and Fire U.K. in order
> to better
> organize and manage the teaching and collective
> practice of Stav. In
> October 2005 I made my first trip to Virginia USA at
> the invitation of
> Hugh Long and others who had for a while been
> interested in Stav but
> not yet been able to begin training. We held a
> weekend course and I
> also gave as much private tuition as there was time
> for. We decided
> that we could begin the promotion and teaching of
> Stav in Virginia in
> a systematic and organized way. To this end we
> agreed on the following:
> � We would set up Ice and Fire USA as a sister
> organization to my UK
> based Ice and Fire group
> � We would establish a USA based website to promote
> Stav in Virginia.
> This website will also provide links to other Stav
> groups and teachers
> active in the USA.
> � Hugh would hold Stav training sessions at his home
> and teach to the
> level of his current expertise. At the present this
> covers the
> stances, staff exercises and two person training
> drills up to the Karl
> level.
> � I will travel to Virginia to teach at least twice
> a year. The next
> course will be in April 2006
> If you think Stav may be the path you have been
> looking for then I look
> forward to meeting you at our next training course.
>
> Graham Butcher October 2005
>
>
> Thanks in advance for your support!
>
> The Ice & Fire U.S.A. Team
>
>
>
>
>




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#5535

From: x x <kon861@...>
Date: Sat Oct 29, 2005 1:45 am
Subject: Re: Stav Organization Opening in USA

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I'm sorry if this offends, however, I have a hard time
with the image of an Irishman practicing a tai-chi
style form when there were farming dutys to be
done...<shrug> The Irish have a long history of
raising animals, druidism, seasonal rituals etc. I
have however never read anything about certian forms
that were practiced... could be wrong, I dunno...

Gary

--- hugh_b_long <hugh_b_long@...> wrote:

> Graham Butcher & Hugh Long would like to announce
> the official launch
> of  "Ice & Fire U.S.A." Stav (Northern European
> Mind-Body-Spirit System)
>
> website http://www.stav-usa.com
>
> As many of you may, or may not know, Stav is the
> authentic Northern
> European Mind-Body-Sprirt System (kind of like
> Western Tai-Chi in some
> aspects)
>
> It incorporates Rune Stances, Martial Arts -  using
> unarmed combat and
> historical European Weapons such as the staff,
> battle axe, spear, and
> long-sword. It also encompasses health and healing
> techniques,
> meditation & herb & rune lore.
>
> Ice & Fire U.S.A. will provide:
>
> � A Minimum of 2 seminar opportunities annually in
> the USA with Graham
> Butcher or other senior Stav Instructor
> � A Members only section on the website (Ice & Fire
> USA or UK) with
> access to exclusive content such as: extended video
> clips of weapons
> drills, rune stances etc. Online PDF's of Stav
> Manuals and much more
> � Rich articles on Stav & related topics
> � Relevant source materials such as the Eddas
> � Topical Discussion Forums � for the Global Stav
> community (can be
> put inside a frame on any Stav site so that we all
> see and use the
> same forum � contact hugh@... for details)
> � Live Chat facility � get online and chat with
> other Stav
> folks�schedule a meeting and chat if you like.
> � Distance Learning Guidelines & Support material
> including video clips
> o Recognizing that in North America our members may
> be highly
> distributed, we have started putting together
> guielines and material
> to support the remote study of Stav until a student
> can attend a class
> and/or seminar, and to act as a reference for
> others.
> � A Wyrd Blog � regular updates via our blog
> � Stav Books and Merchandise for sale to members &
> the general public
> (mugs, t-shirts etc.)
>
> Please read on below for an introduction by our
> Master Instructor
> Graham Butcher.
>
> Welcome to the Ice and Fire U.S.A. Stav website.
>
> My name is Graham Butcher and I have been a student
> of Stav under Ivar
> Hafskjold since 1991. In 1996 I moved from Yorkshire
> in the UK to
> Oxford where I established a Stav Hov and began
> teaching students of
> my own. With the assistance of my students we began
> to develop ways of
> learning and practicing the essential knowledge and
> principles of the
> Stav tradition. This has developed steadily over the
> past 9 years and
> my group now has around 60 members, several of whom
> are now able to
> teach Stav in their own right.
>
> We organize regular courses and weekly classes in
> the U.K., where we
> attempt to teach, and encourage the practice of, as
> many aspects of
> Stav as possible. A large proportion of the training
> we offer is
> martial arts based since this provides a good frame
> work for regular
> teaching and practice of Stav. It also provides a
> dynamic way of
> exploring and testing our understanding of the
> principles of Stav.
> Training in all aspects of Stav is covered in our
> yearly cycle of
> training courses held in the South of the UK. I also
> have long
> established students in Germany whom I visit to
> teach and train with
> on a regular basis.
>
> Three years ago we set up Ice and Fire U.K. in order
> to better
> organize and manage the teaching and collective
> practice of Stav. In
> October 2005 I made my first trip to Virginia USA at
> the invitation of
> Hugh Long and others who had for a while been
> interested in Stav but
> not yet been able to begin training. We held a
> weekend course and I
> also gave as much private tuition as there was time
> for. We decided
> that we could begin the promotion and teaching of
> Stav in Virginia in
> a systematic and organized way. To this end we
> agreed on the following:
> � We would set up Ice and Fire USA as a sister
> organization to my UK
> based Ice and Fire group
> � We would establish a USA based website to promote
> Stav in Virginia.
> This website will also provide links to other Stav
> groups and teachers
> active in the USA.
> � Hugh would hold Stav training sessions at his home
> and teach to the
> level of his current expertise. At the present this
> covers the
> stances, staff exercises and two person training
> drills up to the Karl
> level.
> � I will travel to Virginia to teach at least twice
> a year. The next
> course will be in April 2006
> If you think Stav may be the path you have been
> looking for then I look
> forward to meeting you at our next training course.
>
> Graham Butcher October 2005
>
>
> Thanks in advance for your support!
>
> The Ice & Fire U.S.A. Team
>
>
>
>
>




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#5534

From: "hugh_b_long" <hugh_b_long@...>
Date: Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:10 pm
Subject: Stav Organization Opening in USA

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Graham Butcher & Hugh Long would like to announce the official launch
of  "Ice & Fire U.S.A." Stav (Northern European Mind-Body-Spirit System)

website http://www.stav-usa.com

As many of you may, or may not know, Stav is the authentic Northern
European Mind-Body-Sprirt System (kind of like Western Tai-Chi in some
aspects)

It incorporates Rune Stances, Martial Arts -  using unarmed combat and
historical European Weapons such as the staff, battle axe, spear, and
long-sword. It also encompasses health and healing techniques,
meditation & herb & rune lore.

Ice & Fire U.S.A. will provide:

� A Minimum of 2 seminar opportunities annually in the USA with Graham
Butcher or other senior Stav Instructor
� A Members only section on the website (Ice & Fire USA or UK) with
access to exclusive content such as: extended video clips of weapons
drills, rune stances etc. Online PDF's of Stav Manuals and much more
� Rich articles on Stav & related topics
� Relevant source materials such as the Eddas
� Topical Discussion Forums � for the Global Stav community (can be
put inside a frame on any Stav site so that we all see and use the
same forum � contact hugh@... for details)
� Live Chat facility � get online and chat with other Stav
folks�schedule a meeting and chat if you like.
� Distance Learning Guidelines & Support material including video clips
o Recognizing that in North America our members may be highly
distributed, we have started putting together guielines and material
to support the remote study of Stav until a student can attend a class
and/or seminar, and to act as a reference for others.
� A Wyrd Blog � regular updates via our blog
� Stav Books and Merchandise for sale to members & the general public
(mugs, t-shirts etc.)

Please read on below for an introduction by our Master Instructor
Graham Butcher.

Welcome to the Ice and Fire U.S.A. Stav website.

My name is Graham Butcher and I have been a student of Stav under Ivar
Hafskjold since 1991. In 1996 I moved from Yorkshire in the UK to
Oxford where I established a Stav Hov and began teaching students of
my own. With the assistance of my students we began to develop ways of
learning and practicing the essential knowledge and principles of the
Stav tradition. This has developed steadily over the past 9 years and
my group now has around 60 members, several of whom are now able to
teach Stav in their own right.

We organize regular courses and weekly classes in the U.K., where we
attempt to teach, and encourage the practice of, as many aspects of
Stav as possible. A large proportion of the training we offer is
martial arts based since this provides a good frame work for regular
teaching and practice of Stav. It also provides a dynamic way of
exploring and testing our understanding of the principles of Stav.
Training in all aspects of Stav is covered in our yearly cycle of
training courses held in the South of the UK. I also have long
established students in Germany whom I visit to teach and train with
on a regular basis.

Three years ago we set up Ice and Fire U.K. in order to better
organize and manage the teaching and collective practice of Stav. In
October 2005 I made my first trip to Virginia USA at the invitation of
Hugh Long and others who had for a while been interested in Stav but
not yet been able to begin training. We held a weekend course and I
also gave as much private tuition as there was time for. We decided
that we could begin the promotion and teaching of Stav in Virginia in
a systematic and organized way. To this end we agreed on the following:
� We would set up Ice and Fire USA as a sister organization to my UK
based Ice and Fire group
� We would establish a USA based website to promote Stav in Virginia.
This website will also provide links to other Stav groups and teachers
active in the USA.
� Hugh would hold Stav training sessions at his home and teach to the
level of his current expertise. At the present this covers the
stances, staff exercises and two person training drills up to the Karl
level.
� I will travel to Virginia to teach at least twice a year. The next
course will be in April 2006
If you think Stav may be the path you have been looking for then I look
forward to meeting you at our next training course.

Graham Butcher October 2005


Thanks in advance for your support!

The Ice & Fire U.S.A. Team

#5533

From: "John P. Sullivan 5" <suullly@...>
Date: Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:49 pm
Subject: RE: Faction Fight?

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I see The Dog Brothers as just another faction. When I
said  lure them out ,I meant I was hoping they would
come because it was not too too far for them to
travel. They look like take what they do seriously so
I want to fight them. That's the whole point of having
a faction fight.
Before we invite anyone we should have an event to
invite them to. I will contact whoever I can to see if
there is any interest out there.




--- x x <kon861@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
err... e-mail them.. I have read a great deal about
them and I have little doubt that any stick fighting
event (full contact that is) would be a place to prove
themselves

Gary

--- x x <kon861@...> wrote:

> If you want the Dog Brothers out why not invite
> them... they have a web-site... e-maile them.
>
> Gary
>
> --- "John P. Sullivan 5" <suullly@...> wrote:
>
> > We have a lottery tonight in Canada for 40 million
> > dollars CDN (34 million U.S,) ken so keep your
> > fingers
> > crossed. I just bought 4 tickets . The odds are a
> > mere
> >  1/ 14,000,000.
> > Keep in mnd that this is almost two years away so
> > there will be lots of time to get our respective
> > shit
> > together.
> > The reason I suggested Colorado is to lure the Dog
> > Brothers out.
> > I 'm hoping that there is enough time to get the
> La
> > Canne guys from France to come as well.
> > There is no Question that some sort of competitive
> > system must be in place. that is the easy part .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Dirk <defolmer@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >  --- On Wed 10/26, John P. Sullivan 5 <
> > suullly@... > wrote:
> > From: John P. Sullivan 5 [mailto:
> suullly@...]
> >
> >
> > I was thinking that we should all work together
> > and<BR>
> > have a Stickfighting Expo somewhere. Aim for 2007
> > so<BR>
> > as to give people time to save and prepare. A good
> > old<BR>
> > gathering of the factions .<BR>
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> > far<BR>
> > for any one person. Invite absolutley everyone,
> and
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#5532

From: James Marwood <james.marwood@...>
Date: Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:21 am
Subject: Re: Faction Fight?

jmarwood1

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Marc Denny of the Dog Brothers is a regular on
warriortalk.com<http://warriortalk.com>(IIRC he moderates a forum
there) - may be a good avenue for contacting him.

On 10/28/05, x x <kon861@...> wrote:
>
> err... e-mail them.. I have read a great deal about
> them and I have little doubt that any stick fighting
> event (full contact that is) would be a place to prove
> themselves
>
> Gary
>
>

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#5531

From: x x <kon861@...>
Date: Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:30 am
Subject: RE: Faction Fight?

kon861

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err... e-mail them.. I have read a great deal about
them and I have little doubt that any stick fighting
event (full contact that is) would be a place to prove
themselves

Gary

--- x x <kon861@...> wrote:

> If you want the Dog Brothers out why not invite
> them... they have a web-site... e-maile them.
>
> Gary
>
> --- "John P. Sullivan 5" <suullly@...> wrote:
>
> > We have a lottery tonight in Canada for 40 million
> > dollars CDN (34 million U.S,) ken so keep your
> > fingers
> > crossed. I just bought 4 tickets . The odds are a
> > mere
> >  1/ 14,000,000.
> > Keep in mnd that this is almost two years away so
> > there will be lots of time to get our respective
> > shit
> > together.
> > The reason I suggested Colorado is to lure the Dog
> > Brothers out.
> > I 'm hoping that there is enough time to get the
> La
> > Canne guys from France to come as well.
> > There is no Question that some sort of competitive
> > system must be in place. that is the easy part .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Dirk <defolmer@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >  --- On Wed 10/26, John P. Sullivan 5 <
> > suullly@... > wrote:
> > From: John P. Sullivan 5 [mailto:
> suullly@...]
> >
> >
> > I was thinking that we should all work together
> > and<BR>
> > have a Stickfighting Expo somewhere. Aim for 2007
> > so<BR>
> > as to give people time to save and prepare. A good
> > old<BR>
> > gathering of the factions .<BR>
> > We could hold it somewhere central so it's not too
> > far<BR>
> > for any one person. Invite absolutley everyone,
> and
> > I<BR>
> > mean everyone.<BR>
> >
> > Sort of a "cross the board" thing John, all styles
> > of
> > WMA?
> > Could be VERY interesting.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any visionaries out there?<BR>
> >
> > Not since the 60s.   :-)
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#5530

From: x x <kon861@...>
Date: Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:20 am
Subject: RE: Faction Fight?

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If you want the Dog Brothers out why not invite
them... they have a web-site... e-maile them.

Gary

--- "John P. Sullivan 5" <suullly@...> wrote:

> We have a lottery tonight in Canada for 40 million
> dollars CDN (34 million U.S,) ken so keep your
> fingers
> crossed. I just bought 4 tickets . The odds are a
> mere
>  1/ 14,000,000.
> Keep in mnd that this is almost two years away so
> there will be lots of time to get our respective
> shit
> together.
> The reason I suggested Colorado is to lure the Dog
> Brothers out.
> I 'm hoping that there is enough time to get the La
> Canne guys from France to come as well.
> There is no Question that some sort of competitive
> system must be in place. that is the easy part .
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Dirk <defolmer@...> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>  --- On Wed 10/26, John P. Sullivan 5 <
> suullly@... > wrote:
> From: John P. Sullivan 5 [mailto: suullly@...]
>
>
> I was thinking that we should all work together
> and<BR>
> have a Stickfighting Expo somewhere. Aim for 2007
> so<BR>
> as to give people time to save and prepare. A good
> old<BR>
> gathering of the factions .<BR>
> We could hold it somewhere central so it's not too
> far<BR>
> for any one person. Invite absolutley everyone, and
> I<BR>
> mean everyone.<BR>
>
> Sort of a "cross the board" thing John, all styles
> of
> WMA?
> Could be VERY interesting.
>
>
>
> Any visionaries out there?<BR>
>
> Not since the 60s.   :-)
>
>
>
> Dirk
> "Walk softly...."
> Well, you know the rest.
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#5529

From: "John P. Sullivan 5" <suullly@...>
Date: Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:13 am
Subject: RE: re: Faction Fight?

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I Know what you are trying to say Tony, and that might
be the easiest solution, however the idea is to have
our own thing.
Perhaps there will not be enough interest to pull it
off as a Stickfighting thing exclusivly.Then I think
your suggestion is the best idea. I guess the question
is ," How much interest is there  by people who can
afford and are willing  to attend.? " Im not sure
the"Build it and they will come" addage applies here.
I would like to see it , not as an  East  OR   West
thing, but as a stickfighting thing, East and West.

--- Tony Wolf <lone_wolf_9@...> wrote:

> How about attaching the Faction Fight to an
> established stick fighting
> get-together, or one of the major WMA events?  Big
> advantages in terms of
> logistics, etc. if someone else is dealing with all
> the accommodation, rent,
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#5528

From: "Tony Wolf" <lone_wolf_9@...>
Date: Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:04 pm
Subject: RE: re: Faction Fight?

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How about attaching the Faction Fight to an established stick fighting
get-together, or one of the major WMA events?  Big advantages in terms of
logistics, etc. if someone else is dealing with all the accommodation, rent,
advertising and so-on.

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#5527

From: "Dirk" <defolmer@...>
Date: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:25 pm
Subject: re: Faction Fight...in VEGAS!?

defolmer

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--- On Thu 10/27, Ken K. < kinnan23@... > wrote:

This may sound a little crazy ...


Ken,
      Yes, yes it does.

  It also sounds like a good idea, for the same reasons you point out. Let me add
that it is also
the convention/Expo capitol of the country. I believe that the single biggest MA
trade show is
hosted there as well, so I know they have the facilities.

So that is one idea....


Dirk
"Walk softly...."
Well, you know the rest.

  --- On Thu 10/27, Ken K. < kinnan23@... > wrote:
From: Ken K. [mailto: kinnan23@...]
<tt>
This may sound a little crazy because it's technically not 'central,' but <BR>
has anyone considered the possibility of Las Vegas, Nevada?� Before all you <BR>
east of the Mississippi types start shouting me down, I would just like to <BR>
point out that I don't know a single place in the country that more <BR>
consistently offers sales on incredibly low airfare rates from anywhere in <BR>
the country.� I live in Northern California, and I think I could fly to <BR>
Vegas for about as much as it would cost me to fly to San Francisco, for <BR>
example.<BR>
<BR>
Just another thought thought...there would still be tremendous logistics <BR>
regarding what to do what we got there...we'd probably just gamble, get <BR>
drunk, and bash around some fraternity boys on vacation as opposed to doing <BR>
anything 'organized'...but this is modeled after a faction fight, after all,
<BR>
or at least so says the thread... <BR>
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#5526

From: William Adkins <winkleried@...>
Date: Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:22 pm
Subject: Re: Faction Fight people / locations

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Trust me, Been there, Done that. Had to look for Fleece afterwards :0
Marc

Dirk <defolmer@...> wrote:

Ummmm...nooooooo.

(having overlooked the obvious, smacks forehead)

"D'oh!" :-0

Dirk
"Walk softly...."
Well, you know the rest.

--- On Wed 10/26, < winkleried@... > wrote:
From: [mailto: winkleried@...]
To: bata@yahoogroups.com

Have ya tried setting this up in the database section of the Bata group???

Marc Adkins

From: "Dirk"

To:

> So we can figure a good central location, lets get an idea of where folks

actually are.

>

> Name                                         Home

Suggested Location

>

> Dirk Folmer                                Pheonix, Az
Illinios? where ever is central

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#5525

From: "John P. Sullivan 5" <suullly@...>
Date: Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:00 pm
Subject: Re: re: Faction Fight?

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I thought about Las Vegas for different reasons,
mainly the availability of  small venues for sporting
events. The distance for the Easterners was in my
opinion too far. But you are right airfare to Vegas is
very cheap.





--- "Ken K." <kinnan23@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
This may sound a little crazy because it's technically
not 'central,' but
has anyone considered the possibility of Las Vegas,
Nevada?  Before all you
east of the Mississippi types start shouting me down,
I would just like to
point out that I don't know a single place in the
country that more
consistently offers sales on incredibly low airfare
rates from anywhere in
the country.  I live in Northern California, and I
think I could fly to
Vegas for about as much as it would cost me to fly to
San Francisco, for
example.

Just another thought thought...there would still be
tremendous logistics
regarding what to do what we got there...we'd probably
just gamble, get
drunk, and bash around some fraternity boys on
vacation as opposed to doing
anything 'organized'...but this is modeled after a
faction fight, after all,
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#5524

From: "Ken K." <kinnan23@...>
Date: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:20 pm
Subject: re: Faction Fight?

elegua2393

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This may sound a little crazy because it's technically not 'central,' but
has anyone considered the possibility of Las Vegas, Nevada?  Before all you
east of the Mississippi types start shouting me down, I would just like to
point out that I don't know a single place in the country that more
consistently offers sales on incredibly low airfare rates from anywhere in
the country.  I live in Northern California, and I think I could fly to
Vegas for about as much as it would cost me to fly to San Francisco, for
example.

Just another thought thought...there would still be tremendous logistics
regarding what to do what we got there...we'd probably just gamble, get
drunk, and bash around some fraternity boys on vacation as opposed to doing
anything 'organized'...but this is modeled after a faction fight, after all,
or at least so says the thread...

#5523

From: "Dirk" <defolmer@...>
Date: Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:29 pm
Subject: Re: data base

defolmer

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Gents,
          As Marc pointed out to me, we have a database built into the bata site.
I have taken the liberty
of creating one to aid in establishing the best location for the Expo. My
thoughts are as follows, we can figure out the either best, from an accomodation
stand point or from a location stand point, or , hell,
mayhap fate wll smile on us and a stickfighting millionaire hotel owner will
hear about it and put us all
up.

At any rate, I went and gave my info to start the ball rolling.

Thanks for the idea Marc.


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#5522

From: "Dirk" <defolmer@...>
Date: Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:33 pm
Subject: Re: Faction Fight people / locations

defolmer

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Ummmm...nooooooo.

  (having overlooked the obvious, smacks forehead)

  "D'oh!"  :-0


Dirk
"Walk softly...."
Well, you know the rest.

  --- On Wed 10/26,  < winkleried@... > wrote:
From:  [mailto: winkleried@...]
To: bata@yahoogroups.com


Have ya tried setting this up in the database section of the Bata group???<BR>
Marc Adkins<BR>


From: "Dirk" <defolmer@...><BR>
To: <bata@yahoogroups.com><BR>

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><BR>
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#5521

From: "John P. Sullivan 5" <suullly@...>
Date: Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:33 am
Subject: Re: Faction Fight?

suullly

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Damn straight Marc.





--- winkleried@... wrote:


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Ok so if ya win then your going to pay for all of us
(regular posters
anyway) to head up your way for a little violent fun
and games????
Marc Adkins
----- Original Message -----
From: "John P. Sullivan 5" <suullly@...>
To: <bata@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:01 PM
Subject: RE: [bata] Faction Fight?


> We have a lottery tonight in Canada for 40 million
> dollars CDN (34 million U.S,) ken so keep your
fingers
> crossed. I just bought 4 tickets . The odds are a
mere
>  1/ 14,000,000.
> Keep in mnd that this is almost two years away so
> there will be lots of time to get our respective
shit
> together.
> The reason I suggested Colorado is to lure the Dog
> Brothers out.
> I 'm hoping that there is enough time to get the La
> Canne guys from France to come as well.
> There is no Question that some sort of competitive
> system must be in place. that is the easy part .
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Dirk <defolmer@...> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>  --- On Wed 10/26, John P. Sullivan 5 <
> suullly@... > wrote:
> From: John P. Sullivan 5 [mailto: suullly@...]
>
>
> I was thinking that we should all work together
> and<BR>
> have a Stickfighting Expo somewhere. Aim for 2007
> so<BR>
> as to give people time to save and prepare. A good
> old<BR>
> gathering of the factions .<BR>
> We could hold it somewhere central so it's not too
> far<BR>
> for any one person. Invite absolutley everyone, and
> I<BR>
> mean everyone.<BR>
>
> Sort of a "cross the board" thing John, all styles
of
> WMA?
> Could be VERY interesting.
>
>
>
> Any visionaries out there?<BR>
>
> Not since the 60s.   :-)
>
>
>
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> "Walk softly...."
> Well, you know the rest.
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#5520

From: <winkleried@...>
Date: Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:22 pm
Subject: Re: Faction Fight?

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Ok so if ya win then your going to pay for all of us (regular posters
anyway) to head up your way for a little violent fun and games????
Marc Adkins
----- Original Message -----
From: "John P. Sullivan 5" <suullly@...>
To: <bata@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:01 PM
Subject: RE: [bata] Faction Fight?


> We have a lottery tonight in Canada for 40 million
> dollars CDN (34 million U.S,) ken so keep your fingers
> crossed. I just bought 4 tickets . The odds are a mere
>  1/ 14,000,000.
> Keep in mnd that this is almost two years away so
> there will be lots of time to get our respective shit
> together.
> The reason I suggested Colorado is to lure the Dog
> Brothers out.
> I 'm hoping that there is enough time to get the La
> Canne guys from France to come as well.
> There is no Question that some sort of competitive
> system must be in place. that is the easy part .
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Dirk <defolmer@...> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>  --- On Wed 10/26, John P. Sullivan 5 <
> suullly@... > wrote:
> From: John P. Sullivan 5 [mailto: suullly@...]
>
>
> I was thinking that we should all work together
> and<BR>
> have a Stickfighting Expo somewhere. Aim for 2007
> so<BR>
> as to give people time to save and prepare. A good
> old<BR>
> gathering of the factions .<BR>
> We could hold it somewhere central so it's not too
> far<BR>
> for any one person. Invite absolutley everyone, and
> I<BR>
> mean everyone.<BR>
>
> Sort of a "cross the board" thing John, all styles of
> WMA?
> Could be VERY interesting.
>
>
>
> Any visionaries out there?<BR>
>
> Not since the 60s.   :-)
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> Well, you know the rest.
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#5519

From: <winkleried@...>
Date: Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:21 pm
Subject: Re: Faction Fight people / locations

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Have ya tried setting this up in the database section of the Bata group???
Marc Adkins
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Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 6:26 PM
Subject: [bata] Faction Fight people / locations


>
> So we can figure a good central location, lets get an idea of where folks
actually are.
>
> Name                                         Home
Suggested Location
>
> Dirk Folmer                                Pheonix, Az
Illinios? where ever is central
>
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> Dirk
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#5518

From: <winkleried@...>
Date: Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:21 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Faction Fight? (YES!)

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Hey Dirk if the employment gods smile on me I should be (Hopefully) in New
Mexico within the next six months or so.
When I can get a bit of vacation I may just look ya up then.
Marc Adkins
----- Original Message -----
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To: <bata@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 6:21 PM
Subject: [bata] Re: Faction Fight? (YES!)


>
> Firstly, John....WOW! Can open, worms everywhere! I think you hit a
serious nerve here.
> I for one would REALLY enjoy a wide open "stick symposium" all styles all
lengths, my only
> concern would be (and this really does not apply to most of the members of
this list, because
> we are only *sort* of crazy and do not really LIKE pain and injury)
safety, I would like to see
> a little more of a minimum protection that some of the groups I have seen.
> (READ: I'm old and don't bounce back like I used to ;-) )
>
> That being said, with the time table that has been discussed, I'M IN!
>
> For the record I use makila, le canne, cane, bata, shepherds crook. If
anybody is interested I can
> mayhap arrange extras of any/all of the above in rattan.
>
> Did somebody mention doing a role-call of people and there locations so it
is most
> convenient for the most players?
>
> I am in Pheonix, AZ, i.e. WAY out west from most of y'all.
>
>
> Dirk
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> Well, you know the rest.
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#5517

From: <winkleried@...>
Date: Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:18 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Faction Fight?

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Trust me I understand Ken. Kinnda why I was unable to show up to PA Last
summer. GRRRR!
Marc Adkins
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 5:47 PM
Subject: [bata] Re: Faction Fight?


> I'd travel just about anywhere my finances will let me to take
> part...unfortunately my finances being what they are....well you get
> the picture. Better start playing the lotto.
>
> ken
>
> On 10/26/05, William Adkins <winkleried@...> wrote:
> > Both are possibilities.
> > See my previous post on time lines and locations.
> > Marc Adkins
> >
> > "John P. Sullivan 5" <suullly@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > How about Denver or better yet Boulder?
> > --- "John P. Sullivan 5" wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > The only problem I see in stick length restrictions is
> > the overhead room of the venue. We could end up
> > looking for a very long time to find something that
> > could accomodate the very long stuff.
> > All of those before mentioned styles should be there
> > in my opinion. But I would like to see it cropped at
> > being a stick thing only . no tonfas , no poleaxes, no
> > artificial swords..etc.. just my opinion.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- William Adkins wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Western or Asian?
> > And does size of the stick count.
> > I'm about to go way out on a limb here just trying to
> > set parameters.
> > Would any of my 7.5 quarterstaves count, my 5.5 foot
> > JDP long stick, My 36" riot baton, 42" Batas,18-20"
> > Kippins, 36" canes, 48" singlestick or all of the
> > above?????
> > If the longer sticks/staves count I will crosspost
> > this to a couple of groups I own and try to get a
> > bigger response to this.
> > Marc Adkins
> >
> > "John P. Sullivan 5" wrote:
> > I was thinking more , Stickfighting exclusivly.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Dirk wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> > --- On Wed 10/26, John P. Sullivan 5 <
> > suullly@... > wrote:
> > From: John P. Sullivan 5 [mailto: suullly@...]
> >
> >
> > I was thinking that we should all work together
> > and
> >
> > have a Stickfighting Expo somewhere. Aim for 2007
> > so
> >
> > as to give people time to save and prepare. A good
> > old
> >
> > gathering of the factions .
> >
> > We could hold it somewhere central so it's not too
> > far
> >
> > for any one person. Invite absolutley everyone, and
> > I
> >
> > mean everyone.
> >
> >
> > Sort of a "cross the board" thing John, all styles of
> > WMA?
> > Could be VERY interesting.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any visionaries out there?
> >
> >
> > Not since the 60s. :-)
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#5516

From: Elsteph@...
Date: Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:27 pm
Subject: Re: Faction Fight people / locations

Elsteph@...

I am new to the list.

Stephen Kennett        Carbondale,  IL         618-549-7741

How about St. Louis?


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#5515

From: "John P. Sullivan 5" <suullly@...>
Date: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:01 am
Subject: RE: Faction Fight?

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We have a lottery tonight in Canada for 40 million
dollars CDN (34 million U.S,) ken so keep your fingers
crossed. I just bought 4 tickets . The odds are a mere
  1/ 14,000,000.
Keep in mnd that this is almost two years away so
there will be lots of time to get our respective shit
together.
The reason I suggested Colorado is to lure the Dog
Brothers out.
I 'm hoping that there is enough time to get the La
Canne guys from France to come as well.
There is no Question that some sort of competitive
system must be in place. that is the easy part .






--- Dirk <defolmer@...> wrote:


---------------------------------

  --- On Wed 10/26, John P. Sullivan 5 <
suullly@... > wrote:
From: John P. Sullivan 5 [mailto: suullly@...]


I was thinking that we should all work together
and<BR>
have a Stickfighting Expo somewhere. Aim for 2007
so<BR>
as to give people time to save and prepare. A good
old<BR>
gathering of the factions .<BR>
We could hold it somewhere central so it's not too
far<BR>
for any one person. Invite absolutley everyone, and
I<BR>
mean everyone.<BR>

Sort of a "cross the board" thing John, all styles of
WMA?
Could be VERY interesting.



Any visionaries out there?<BR>

Not since the 60s.   :-)



Dirk
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Well, you know the rest.



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