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Re: [bata] Re: M.S.P. Competition Sample

The point ends up being a simple Beat and Attack but
it is completely set up in the foot work . Notice how
the footwork gets the momentum going in the counter
clockwise direction and then allows for a change of
direction with no telegraph. The final point almost
seems slow
because of the advantage gained by the reversal of the
weight and momentum. Simple meat and potatoes
fighting.
The avi format allows for great analysis of these
things because you can move the cursor forward and
back and watch things like balance and form slowly.
This clip is a great example of many of the classic
defensive moves such as the high guard, sweep blocks,
check blocks, etc. It is also very clear to see how
we (The M.S.P.) use the upper and lower parts of the
stick for blocking as opposed to only the lower half
like some of the more ardent traditionalists. also
notice the heavy use of simple evasion instead of
dealing with every attack. This bout ends with one
competitor unable to continue after a shot to the
head. Video to come.
--- iceberg497 <iceberg497@...> wrote:

> Great post. I had to watch it a few times to really
> catch that
> counter he uses at the end.
>
>

John Patrick Sullivan. the Fifth
"Making the world a better place, one beating at a time."


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Great post. I had to watch it a few times to really catch that counter he uses at the end....
iceberg497
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Aug 16, 2007
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The point ends up being a simple Beat and Attack but it is completely set up in the foot work . Notice how the footwork gets the momentum going in the counter ...
John P. Sullivan 5
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Aug 16, 2007
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Watching the video was interesting. the guy in black had several opening to the white guys legs, which were unprotected. there were also several openings for...
bretgould
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Aug 16, 2007
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Well then Bret you simply must show up at the competition in September and demonstrate for us your expertise. Untill that time i can only assume that you are...
John P. Sullivan 5
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John, I am willing to bet that the answer you'll get is that your format isn't serious enough for Mr. Gould to compete in, because it isn't all-out reality,...
Chris Amendola
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Aug 16, 2007
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I hear what you are saying Chris. I should not have even "fed the troll" by responding myself. It is the way of the world that anyone trying to do something...
John P. Sullivan 5
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... this self inflated tube happens to put on a badge and gun every day , where there are no refs or rules. Of course they huff and puff on their ... And that...
bretgould
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Aug 16, 2007
9:59 pm

It would seem that Chris still can't handle reality very well. the discussion was centered about the techniques used on the film, openings and techniques used...
bretgould
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Aug 16, 2007
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... Inappropriate and tacky. ... Unrelated to Bata or Irish Martial Arts. And not specifically true in any event since the Japanese, Chinese, etc. have all...
Kirk Lawson
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That is quite alright Chris. Your buddy, John L., called me several names so your double standard is showing. I just happy to see you are still up to par. And...
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... and bring your stick so the others can have a laugh. ... feeds right on your Mail page. Start today at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca...
bretgould
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OK let's take this point by point...... Watching the video was interesting. ***Yes the guy in black had several opening to the white guys legs, which were...
Dirk
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Aug 16, 2007
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... were unprotected. ... matches sweeps and throws do seem to occur as they consider the whole art and not just the stick, duh. ... the video. Well for all...
bretgould
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Yeah, you are right on the money here Dirk. People need to keep in mind that our efforts are to develop "Sport Stick Fighting" as it might have been done in...
John P. Sullivan 5
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... Strangely enough, Silver agrees with you. He built a whole segment of his system around baiting someone to attack his knees so he could plant his sword in...
Kirk Lawson
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Of course you are right here kirk and that is very much the point of my contention with Mr. Gould. That some of the things he was "recommending" were ...
John P. Sullivan 5
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... I disagree. There are lots of reasons to grapple, including as a way of mitigating potential injury to your opponent. It's not *just* about negating the...
Kirk Lawson
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I DO NOT KNOW WHO THIS GUY BRET IS but your action is hard and fast and i am an instructor in escrima---ralph ************************************** Get a...
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I apologise for the Kali Escrima Remark Ralph. But my experience with the people in your particular art have all been very much like Mr. Gould. I am not so...
John P. Sullivan 5
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... saying is that they are good , maybe bret has not seen them all? as for me, i do not do kali anymore, i prefer powerful two -handed kendo strikes with a...
ralph
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Ralph, you are correct. I have not seen all the clips. Nor was there a context for the demonstration. It was put out there and it was critiqued. That was...
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Hey Ralph: Thanks for the encouragement. I was under the impression the The Dog Brothers were a Kali based system. I confess that I know very little about them...
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bret, styles are different, i suggest you take a look at the msp clips [ all of them ] --go to their site and watch some of the two handed stuff---with the...
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baritsu6
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... challenges just critique. And I only critiqued what i saw. ... clips [ all ... stuff---with ... spar with ... is ... all-new AOL at...
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... shillelaghs like ... stickfighting instead of ... point at the ... possible. I will try to get it ... of the details ... But hey hey hey, can't we all get...
James Nelson
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I agree whole heartedly....
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try the youyube link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nPuNi8tu44 John Patrick Sullivan. the Fifth "Making the world a better place, one beating at a time." Be...
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Pray for peace, prepare for war.<br> Amen. and well said. Dirk "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far" Theodore Roosevelt Sept 3, 1901 ...
Dirk
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Aug 17, 2007
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Ralph, i concede that most combat affairs are gross motor skills. But if hand trapping is never used in combat and is not effective why do most kali and...
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On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 12:41 +0000, bretgould wrote: I did note one interesting fact. the dynamic of a ... Are you talking about your tacky reference and ill...
Kirk Lawson
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