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Re: [bata] Re: Sword vs. Axe

Honestly,
I had a cane project that cheezed me off beyond all belief. Went through three
prototypes. ( read it took three times before the bleeping thing would hold
togather correctly)
Basicly it is a "L" handle cane with a small protrusion on the other side of
the shaft. Osage Orange shaft, Black Locust head/handle oak pins and epoxy
holding the handle togather. I used a piece of suede leather to hide the joint
and wrapped below the handle with iron bailing wire for about three inches below
the handle.
Between the self funded reasearch project from hell, and the youngest's
medical expenses. It was either build one out of wood or wait about another year
before I got my hand on a true Fokos.( Although I have a Hungarian Couple at
work that are going to be bringing me some goodies in Late Feb.)
Weight wise, it's about the same (Possibly lighter) than my medieval felling
axe which runs right around 1.75- 2 pounds (Estimated, bought it off of a friend
in exchange for giving him feed back on the design)
Now understand the felling axe is all I have at this time to compare to. Once
i get a actual Fokos I may reconsider the design parameters a bit. But it gets
me started and if the training tool is a bit heavy then well i be that much
better for it.
Gott go and get back to work
Marc Adkins

Keith Nelson <fish_doc@...> wrote:
Mark,

If I could ask you, what prompted you to do up a wooden Fokos? And, do you
feel that it ended up being too heavy when made with wood compared to a
metal head (which seem to run between 6-8 oz. from what I can tell &
according to those who know better than I do...)? Just wondering, as I'm
embarking on a project to do this as well.

Keith N.

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Subject: Re: [bata] Re: Sword vs. Axe
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:59:42 -0600

yep no doubt,
But keep in mind until I built my Vigny cane a few months ago and then my
wooden Fokos That I pretty much was practicing and using straight sticks so
hmmm...lets just say alignment wasn't really an issue..
Ok I'm a quarterstaff guy and my sticks tend to reflect this and my SCA
heritage
Just another practioners variation :)
Marc Adkins





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In the Italian longsword tradition (Fiore Dei Liberi, Vadi etc.) the true edge is used for horizontal cuts from the right, whilst the false edge from the left....
James Marwood
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Dec 2, 2005
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Thanks, I'll have to look into that. And I'm glad I wasn't totally off the mark--even with the technique you were talking about where you avoid wrist...
kageha7
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Dec 2, 2005
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Greetings. Your comment interests me, as I'm kind of the reverse situation. I'm currently studying swordsmanship in the Italian tradition with a group here in...
Miguel Cura
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Dec 3, 2005
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Well, the easiest techniques to do that with are blocks, at least with the single-handed grip. The side blocks are comparable to inner forearm blocks (not so...
kageha7
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You would be correct for using a sword However there is the edge placement issue that is present on a sword that isn't there as a stick. The other issue is...
William Adkins
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... Hi Marc, Most definitely would rather be hit by a stick than an axe or a sword:) As for edge alignment....depending on the shape and design of your cudgel...
Ken Pfrenger
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yep no doubt, But keep in mind until I built my Vigny cane a few months ago and then my wooden Fokos That I pretty much was practicing and using straight...
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Mark, If I could ask you, what prompted you to do up a wooden Fokos? And, do you feel that it ended up being too heavy when made with wood compared to a metal...
Keith Nelson
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Honestly, I had a cane project that cheezed me off beyond all belief. Went through three prototypes. ( read it took three times before the bleeping thing would...
William Adkins
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Not trying to stop this discussion of the fokos in the least but just a heads up to those who might be interested in learning more about the fokos and other...
Ken Pfrenger
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Me and Keith took this discussion offlist and I sent him a link to the bogatyr list as well as some technical information about the cane I had posted to yet...
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... through three prototypes. ( read it took three times before the bleeping thing would hold togather correctly) ... Dear Folks, I am new to this site, as I...
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... I'm sorry to hear that. ... I'd recommend a weapon other than a cane against a dog (or pack). The cane is a bludgeoning tool that depends greatly upon the...
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i have found that ramming the stick down thier throat is the best way to discourage an attacking dog. Just hitting them doesnt do much good when they are of a ...
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