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Re: [baseballmn] unwritten rules

I'm behind on my email, but thought I'd comment on this one because I
don't think I saw a response. To me, the reason stealing twice when
down by nine runs is an issue, does boil down to playing the game the
right way, namely by the team that is ahead. If personal stats are not
the goal, then simply finishing the win is playing the game the right
way. So the team that's ahead, tries to get the last 3 or 6 or 9 outs
as quickly as they can. They do try to minimize baserunners; but once
a runner gets on base, he's fairly irrelevant, unless you calculate
that the chances of a double play are high. If you stand to sacrifice
any out-making defense at all, by holding the runner close to his base,
then you won't do it. You'll still try to throw him out on the steal,
so no Defensive Indifference, but it's much more likely a vain effort.

And therefore, a runner who takes advantage of this, is rightly (in
my view) seen to be padding his stats. Just another asymmetry that
lends the game its charm. Stealing 2nd only, which eliminates the
DP, probably won't raise hackles nearly as much.

In fairness, the mopup relief pitcher cares about his ERA, so it
certainly may be a case of hypocrisy, to complain at all.


John Gregory ashbury at skypoint.com http://www.skypoint.com/ tilde ashbury
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On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, amugalian@... wrote:

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> Today's New York Times has an item in the sporting page "Spotlight" feature
about baseball's "unwritten rules." Other than an unfortunate reference to a
Ross Bernstein book, the article mentions some interesting, if familiar, "rules"
that supposedly everyone knows about but don't always observe. One of them
puzzled me. Apparently, in a game earlier this season, B.J. Upton stole second
and third in a game in which his team trailed the Indians by nine runs. The
Indians, it seems, were mightily offended. I can understand a team being
offended if they were losing by nine runs, but what the heck was this all about?
I know that a lot of local SABRites feel that these "rules" are bogus and I
generally agree. But if your team is winning by nine runs, why would you be
offended if the other team tries to steal? After all, stolen bases are a losing
proposition.
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> I just want to say that a team should never stop trying to win. If "playing
the game right" means playing less than 100%, then maybe we need to reassess how
the game is played.
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http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/04/writing-down-baseballs-unwritten-rules/\
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> --art



Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:48 pm

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Today's New York Times has an item in the sporting page "Spotlight" feature about baseball's "unwritten rules." Other than an unfortunate reference to a Ross...
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Sure sign of the coming Rapture: New York Times mentions Ross Bernstein....
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Let's change the subject....
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Why doesn't anyone want to discuss my original post? --art Sent from my iPhone On Jul 6, 2009, at 1:35 PM, "stewthornley" <stew@...>...
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... For me, the combination of "unwritten rules" and the Anti-Christ of Information was more of a turn off than the post about being a groper or gropee of Sid...
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BTW, even if it wasn't evident, there was a bit of tongue-in-cheek (no pun intended with anything related to Sid) in each of my last two posts, and my...
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Absolutely no offense taken. But to paraphrase the John Hancock character in 1776 (the play and film), "I'm still the only one who's signed the damn thing." ...
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Art made me wonder how many lines from 1776 we could apply to sports. John Adams "I'm obnoxious and disliked, that cannot be denied." (So many choices, but...
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... Sid - love muffin? groping? tongue-in-cheek? Let's change the subject. Stew BTW, Art, Robert McNamara stumped the panel, as did Michael Jackson. But we...
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I'm behind on my email, but thought I'd comment on this one because I don't think I saw a response. To me, the reason stealing twice when down by nine runs is...
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John: I see your point and I'm almost persuaded. But if that particular runner (s) is unimportant and he wants to pad his statistics, well, then, let him, and...
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