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Re: [baseballmn] languages

I don't know how we got so far afield on this topic, but I've heard it said that without all the lawsuits that are filed here, we'd see the use of a whole lot more guns. I wasn't aware that Europeans saw us as the land of lawsuits; however,  I don't think you need to be European to think there are an abundance of guns here, and you probably don't need to ever see one to be aware of it, either. 

Aside from all that, I am delighted to see a reference to Ring Lardner's line, "Shut up he explained," from his story The Young Immigrunts, also the title of a long-out-of-print anthology of his work. I would say only that Lardner probably would not have used an expletive, considering that the man was a prude at heart.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gregory" <ashbury@...>
To: "baseball mn" <baseballmn@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 7:02:07 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [baseballmn] languages

 

Someone born outside the US should do the same as someone born inside
the US, when faced with legal trouble: hire an attorney, not simply an
interpreter. Indeed, part of the lawyer's job is to interpret English
into a foreign language anyway.

Apart from that, my experience with Europeans who come over here is that
they expect to see guns, and lawsuits, around every corner. A colleague
and friend from Germany who had been here nearly a decade was going off
on one of his periodic rants about the prevalence of guns here, and I
finally asked him, in all his time living in the wild wild west had he
ever even *seen* a gun except in the holster of an officer of the law?
No. Then STFU, I explained.(*) I suspect a conversation about lawsuits,
another of his favorite rants, could have taken a similar course.

(*) Paraphrasing Ring Lardner, who likely was paraphrasing himself
anyway.

--
John Gregory ashbury at skypoint.com http://www.skypoint.com/ tilde ashbury
Thought for the moment:
He who laughs last thinks slowest.

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Alden & Karin Mead wrote:

> I find myself in sympathy wiith Latino and Japanese players who prefer to use an interpreter when talking to the media. I have a Danish friend of many years, who has spent a lot of time over here, and whose English, apart from a slight accent, is just about perfect. But he once told me that he would hire an interpreter if he ever got in legal troubles over here.
>
> For a public figure, whether politician, ballplayer, or what, talking to the media can seem like much the same as legal trouble, in that a small misunderstanding (caused, for example, by a botched idiom or mixing similar-sounding words with different meanings) can cause a real problem.
>
> Hideki Matsui, for example, has been playing over here now for 7 years, & you would think that in that time he would have picked up a decent amount of English. Well, perhaps he has as far as chatting with teammates in the clubhouse, ordering a beer, etc., but facing the media can be a different matter, with the possibility of a misunderstanding leading to a storm of criticism.
>
> I have a German wife & supposedly speak German, but I think I would agree with my Danish friend about getting an interpreter when things get serious. I recall once discoursing on the old traditional German duels, but unfortunately using the word for "attic" which sounds much like the one for a duel, much to everyone's amusement. And my wife once raised the eyebrows of someone collecting for veterans by replying "yes, I really like anything that helps animals" (mixing veteran with veterinarian). These goofs are just occasion for laughter, but in more serious situations they could cause problems, hence caution is reasonable. Everyone has to make his own decision.
>
> Perhaps Alan and others have had similar experiences and impressions.
> Alden



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I find myself in sympathy wiith Latino and Japanese players who prefer to use an interpreter when talking to the media. I have a Danish friend of many years,...
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Someone born outside the US should do the same as someone born inside the US, when faced with legal trouble: hire an attorney, not simply an interpreter....
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I don't know how we got so far afield on this topic, but I've heard it said that without all the lawsuits that are filed here, we'd see the use of a whole lot...
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If I weren't sitting down at the moment, I would stand corrected on the point about Lardner's personal style. Thanks for the insight. And if I weren't...
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Funny, mellow is not the mood I associate with Philip Glass. Trivia points for anyone who remembers (without looking it up) who played Ring Lardner in Eight...
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I had Glass in rotation that day with the Dead Kennedys and Big Bad Voodoo Daddy, for example, so maybe my idea of mellow is different than some others'. The...
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Apropos your story, Alan (and even realted to baseball), never tell an Australian base ball player to to go to the outfield and shag. Has an entirely different...
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Tossing in the outfield likewise conjures a different mental image to them than to us. Long-toss would bring out their competitive spirit. -- John Gregory...
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I had the same thought about Philip Glass. (But some people I know think Ornette Coleman is mellow.) The answer is: the movie's director, John Sayles, who...
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