I'd like to suggest that you all turn the question around in your heads and imagine a scenario where BDB was a research committee or community of interest...
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Rod Nelson
rockymtnsabr
Mar 31, 2011 1:09 pm
... Indeed. Three words: SABR Chartered Community. I will note that the SABR Negro League Committee, per se, does not maintain a database for use by SABR...
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mwe55innc@...
mwemeigh
Mar 31, 2011 5:14 pm
On Mar 31, 2011 8:57am, Sean Forman wrote: (snip) ... I don't normally do this, but... Well said. Mike Emeigh MWE55inNC@......
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Tangotiger
tom@...
Apr 1, 2011 12:12 am
... I'd actually be quite happy if SABR did do something and said exactly that, and then published it for the general public with a non-commercial license. ...
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Peter Kreutzer
pkreutzer
Apr 1, 2011 12:48 pm
I like the sound of what you're suggesting F.X., because it might improve the BDB data and give more access to more data to everyone, and because it seems like...
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Peter Kreutzer
pkreutzer
Apr 1, 2011 12:54 pm
I like the sound of what you're suggesting F.X., because it might improve the BDB data and give more access to more data to everyone, and because it seems like...
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F. X. Flinn
FXFlinn
Apr 1, 2011 2:18 pm
Peter, here is the entire section on Reseach committees, chapters and chartered communities from the SABR policy manual, which is available to SABR members on...
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Tangotiger
tom@...
Apr 1, 2011 3:08 pm
... I agree that the existence of BDB has the impact that FX cites. But if you have 800 BDB members who had no previous desire to join SABR then decide to join...
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F. X. Flinn
FXFlinn
Apr 1, 2011 3:26 pm
Commercial licenses are negotiated uniquely each time. That said, commercial-use license whose intent was to put everything out there for public use without...
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Tangotiger
tom@...
Apr 1, 2011 3:49 pm
... But this is what the BDB group is envisioning, much like Retrosheet, that people will donate money to make the project viable. SABR is a non-profit, isn't...
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Mike
ucraimx
Apr 9, 2011 2:10 am
Here is Mike Crain's .02 on the issue. First, I'd like to say that I enjoyed being part of SABR.But time, money and life had changed where that is no longer...
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Tangotiger
tom@...
Apr 9, 2011 3:11 am
... I agree. I asked a point-blank question on what it would take for SABR to release, right now, the bio data or minors data, to the general public....
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F. X. Flinn
FXFlinn
Apr 9, 2011 1:21 pm
I realized this morning I had missed this email when I saw your response in another thread. Tom, when you write "this is what the BDB group is envisioning" I...
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F. X. Flinn
FXFlinn
Apr 9, 2011 2:30 pm
Until I saw this I didn't realize Tom had replied to my message on 4/1. I think I was busy with work and getting ready for my roti league auction and just...
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Tangotiger
tom@...
Apr 9, 2011 4:22 pm
Someone sent me an email asking what the main issue is. It seems that with all the posts going around, that those on the periphery aren't following along too...
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Matthew Gargano
tkestars
Apr 9, 2011 4:57 pm
Can you provide some elucidation on *non-Retrosheet data *as referred to in: 4. The main issue is the quality of the *non-Retrosheet data*, and how best to get...
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Tangotiger
tom@...
Apr 9, 2011 5:11 pm
... Retrosheet can be broken down into 2 parts: 1. Play-by-play (PBP) data 2. Boxscore data For the PBP data, I think it's considered 100% complete from...
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wyerscj
Apr 10, 2011 3:12 pm
F.X., Nothing that's being discussed here is intellectual property. See STATS, Inc. vs NBA and CDM vs. MLBAM. Baseball statistics are records of fact and no...
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Theodore Turocy
arb1ter
Apr 10, 2011 5:34 pm
... With respect, and at the risk of taking this discussion further afield, "pontifexexmachina" is probably more guilty of misrepresenting the issue here. The...
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Tangotiger
tom@...
Apr 11, 2011 12:45 am
1. It's important to note that facts are not copyrightable, but the arrangements of those facts are, as long as the arrangement is not obvious. That is, the...
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Sean Forman
sforman71
Apr 11, 2011 1:38 pm
Tom, I'm not sure that Dave Smith would agree with you. There are thousands of discrepancies between retrosheet and the official data and you seem to be ...
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Tangotiger
tom@...
Apr 11, 2011 1:55 pm
... Good point. I suppose the question is what would be the required or gold standard. For my personal preference, and I could very well be in the minority,...
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jdpeterman
Apr 11, 2011 2:43 pm
Just wondering if the MLB Red Green books (specifically Major League Service Time) were available for download. I know they are not available any longer in...
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Theodore Turocy
arb1ter
Apr 11, 2011 3:05 pm
Hello all, I apologise for this one-time cross-post. I am pleased to announce that the Baseball ID Working Group is now publishing a register of professional...
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Theodore Turocy
arb1ter
Apr 11, 2011 3:20 pm
Hi all, I wanted to separate my reply of last night re: licensing legalities from a distinct issue - but it was late at night already for me, so I had to...
4105
Tangotiger
tom@...
Apr 11, 2011 3:22 pm
... Cot's contracts has it (on his site, B-R.com, and I think BPro). They did have online media guides in the past, but I'm not sure where they are for 2011....
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F. X. Flinn
FXFlinn
Apr 11, 2011 3:33 pm
Ted's answered the questions posed by "CW" very well. While I'm only speaking for myself, and not the board or the executive director, I can't see any...
4107
Tangotiger
tom@...
Apr 11, 2011 3:53 pm
... That would be correct. If say SABR is currently collecting 5000$ of licencing fees with its current arrangements (Sean and whoever else), a single group...
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anson2995
Apr 11, 2011 4:34 pm
F.X. Flinn wrote... ... That's not accurate, first of all, and your focus on licensing illustrates the fundamental divide here. ... We all acknowledge that...
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F. X. Flinn
FXFlinn
Apr 11, 2011 5:06 pm
I think if anyone took a look at the license SABR had for use of the encyclopedia data (which was on the entry page to the SABR encyclopedia the first time a...
