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Re: [baseball-databank] Re: Games played



On 9/2/06, KJOK <kjokbaseball@...> wrote:

Now the question is - which methodology is right, if
there even is a 'correct' methodology? What does
mlb.com have?







For recent seasons, mlb.com is clearly only reporting games in which the pitcher actually appeared in the batting lineup. However, for earlier seasons, the batting statistics report all games.  At least, this is what Randy Johnson's totals imply.

The closest thing I can find in the Official Rules on this is from 10.21:

"When a player listed in the starting lineup for the visiting club is substituted for before he plays defensively, he shall not receive credit in the defensive statistics (fielding), unless he actually plays that position during a game. All such players, however, shall be credited with one game played (in "batting statistics") as long as they are announced into the game or listed on the official lineup card."

I know this doesn't directly apply to this discussion, but my reading of the rule suggests that the "games played" column in batting statistics is intended to be all games played, not just ones in which the player bats.  Further, being the starting pitcher in a game where the DH is used still results in you being "listed in the starting lineup," no?

But what rule 10 says, and what actually happens, are sometimes two different things. Don't ask me about rule 10.18(g). ;)

TT





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Is there any plan to put players games played in the baseball databank? Before 1998, everyone's games played was included in the Batting file, but since then,...
john_rickert
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Apr 16, 2005
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Hello all, Looking through the archives, I see that John asked the question I was about to ask, but I don't see where it was ever answered. Basically the...
Tom Timmerman
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Sep 1, 2006
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Tom: Don't know if I have a "solution" but: 1. Batting.G = Pitching.G 28,885 cases. Should be no issue with these. 2. Batting.G < Pitching.G 2,521 cases (All...
KJOK
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Sep 1, 2006
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No. I found 8 Phillies pitchers from 2004 with Gp > Gb. Cormier was 5 low (per Retrosheet.org his P games were correct but his batting games were low)....
Clem Comly
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Sep 2, 2006
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I went thru the dailies at Retrosheet for a couple of these Phillies Ps--it looks like the missing Gb are for games on the road against AL teams so it appears...
Clem Comly
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Sep 2, 2006
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Whew, OK, had me worried for a second. DH games are the problem, for AL AND NL pitchers. I don't exactly remember the source of the data those years (Sean or...
KJOK
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Sep 3, 2006
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... For recent seasons, mlb.com is clearly only reporting games in which the pitcher actually appeared in the batting lineup. However, for earlier seasons, the...
Theodore Turocy
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Sep 3, 2006
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... For what it's worth, I understand from phone and email exchanges (months to years ago) that Pete Palmer has tried to implement this consistently. None of...
Paul Wendt
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Oct 2, 2006
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I just looked at mlb.com and there Cormier has 5 less Gb than Gp in BOTH 2004 and 2005. Clem...
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