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Holes in Data

The "holes" in our data is as follows. I suggest that this post gets
updated going forward.

Hitting:
SB - 1876 to 1885
CS - 1876 to 1919
IBB - 1871 to 1954
HBP - 1871 to 1883
GIDP - 1871 to 1932
RBOE - all years
SH - 1871 to 1894
SF - 1871 to 1953
(though I realize that the way the SH and SF rules and recording
practices were at the time that it might not even be possible to
separate things)

Pitching:
for any years where it was recorded:
pitch counts, balls, strikes

for 1871 to 1875:
IBB, WP, HBP, BK, BFP, GF, R

for all years:
RBOE, 2B, 3B, SB, CS, CI, Pickoffs

IBB - through to 1954
HBP - maybe through 1883 (DB shows zero where it should probably be
null from 1876-1883)
BK - maybe through 1880 (DB shows zero where it may or may not be
null from 1876-1880)


Fielding:
for any years where it was recorded:
"balls in zone"

for 1871 to 1875 (for catchers):
PB

for all years (for catchers):
SB, CS, CI, Pickoffs

for all years through 1999 (but not for pitchers):
GS, InnOuts

for all years through 1995:
Splitting OF data into LF/CF/RF

***

Note: design change needs to occur to show games played by OF, as
well as by any position. This has been discussed with the
APPEARANCES table.








Tue Apr 6, 2004 3:37 pm

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I noticed that SH and SF allowed data seems to be missing from the pitching tables. Was this omission intentional (or did I misread the documentation)? While...
tjruane
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Dec 29, 2003
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... I don't believe it was intentional. I don't believe the data is known, and the columns were added with the intention that it would be added in the future....
Sean Forman
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Jan 3, 2004
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... That's odd. My database has this information and I believe I got it originally from the 1994 TB CD, which I think was also the source for Sean's data. ...
tjruane
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Jan 3, 2004
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... Ahh, I didn't think we had SH and SF columns, but I was too lazy to check and took Tom's note to say they were in there. We have never had these columns,...
Sean Forman
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Jan 3, 2004
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... I'm too busy working on the next release of the Retrosheet web-site, transaction data and player data-base right now, but in a month or so I would be more...
tjruane
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"...pitcher doubles, triples allowed, stolen bases and caught stealing? catcher wild pitches? batting reached on catcher interference" I will just say yes,...
KJOK
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... Thank you Tom. We will certainly take you up on the offer. Sincerely, Sean Forman Baseball Stats! http://www.Baseball-Reference.com/ Baseball Analysis!...
Sean Forman
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... Well, the updates to the web-site have now been released. Sean, do you want to send me a list of what you want or should there be some discussion on the...
tjruane
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... I won't speak for Sean, but this message contains the "most wanted" missing data (as of Jan, 2004): ...
tangotiger
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Apr 6, 2004
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The "holes" in our data is as follows. I suggest that this post gets updated going forward. Hitting: SB - 1876 to 1885 CS - 1876 to 1919 IBB - 1871 to 1954 ...
tangotiger
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Apr 6, 2004
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This list has been appended with Sean's note regarding breaking down start/relief appearances, which is really a great suggestion. Tom *** The "holes" in our...
tangotiger
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Apr 8, 2004
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... Going through old box scores, these often were recorded differently. A few other notes: * The original (1969) Baseball Encyclopedia had innings pitched and...
Charles Saeger
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Apr 9, 2004
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Tom, Thank you again for the offer. I think we should start out small and get things tied together. In fielding, we could use Catcher SB, CS, and Catcher...
Sean Forman
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Apr 8, 2004
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... What about SB and CS for pitchers? By the way, something I keep track on Retrosheet is WP for catchers and passed balls for pitchers. ... What's the rule...
tjruane
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Apr 9, 2004
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... Tom, you and I are among the handfuls (I think) that looks at this. If I was the Dr Evil of baseball, I would certainly add it. Not that we're going to do...
tangotiger
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Apr 9, 2004
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... handsful, I think ... I agree. If the NA Statistics Project were rerun today, it would be worthwhile to compile these disaggregated statistics. As it is,...
Paul Wendt
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Apr 9, 2004
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... Paul: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=handfuls In any case, I wasn't pondering the spelling of the word, but rather the idea that very few people...
tangotiger
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Apr 10, 2004
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... Absolutely. All four would be great. ... I'm not sure which is better or if a standard policy has been applied to the data in the BDB. ... I'm referring...
Sean Forman
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Apr 13, 2004
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Tom R: Also, batting and pitching data by BALLPARK by year, broken down by home team and away team, and by LH and RH hitters, would be awsome. I already have...
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