Welcome Vanya! Hope to hear from you often and to hear what sort of snags you run into. I'm sure we've all run into the same snags at some point, or could benefit from hearing problems you've addressed and fixed.
Hi Everyone, Just introducing myself. :) I have 3 horses and have been trimming
them myself for the past few years. We've definitely come along way, but we
still run into snags. My blog is over here http://naturalhorsenz.wordpress.com/
Cheers,
Vanya
Hi Everyone,
Here is a preview of The Horse's Hoof Magazine Issue #34, Spring 2009. Issue
34-PDF version will be released on Friday, March 20 (the 1st day of Spring),
and the printed version should be in the mail in late March. Here's a peek
at the contents -
The Horse's Hoof Magazine Issue 34, Spring 2009:
- Barefoot Arabian Granite Chief+/ Achieves 8,000 Miles! Includes Renegade
Glue-On boot photos
- A Peek at Hoof Help Online
- Fingers, Frogs and Toes: Common Features! By Dr. Robert Bowker
- The Laminitis and Heel Pain Connection
- Is It Time for Hoof-Care Revolution? Part II by Dr. Robert Cook
- World's First Government-Accredited Qualification in NATURAL HOOF CARE in
Tasmania
- Cody's Curiosity is a 2-time Quarter Horse Congress Champion, Barefoot!
- The Significance of Breathing for Owners & Trimmers
- Upper Level Dressage, Barefoot & Booted! With Marquis Boots
- It's Not the Footing, It's the Foot
- Coffin Bone Rotation Case Study
- Baxter Wins Reserve Champion at Pacific National Exhibition in Vancouver,
British Columbia
- Photos of Nevada Mustang Hooves
- Pro Corner & Resources, including news from AANHCP, Jaime Jackson, The
Equine Sciences Academy, Stride Equus, Wild About Hooves, Joe Camp, Cavallo
Horse & Rider, and EasyCare Inc.
The Horse's Hoof Magazine is a 24 page publication dedicated to the barefoot
horse and his owner. We are advertising-free and supported only by our
subscribers!
To subscribe, please visit:
www.thehorseshoof.com and click on "Magazine" or "Shop at Store".
Please feel free to forward this to other lists or to anyone you think might
be interested.
Happy hooves!
Yvonne
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The Horse's Hoof
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Thank you so much for this very interesting series of articles. Although I am a member of the barefoot horses group, I don't participate - I just read and learn. You always provide valuable insite and pertinent articles that I just absorb!
Thanks again,
Donna
--- On Thu, 3/12/09, Meg Francoeur <zghorse@...> wrote:
From: Meg Francoeur <zghorse@...> Subject: [barefoothorses] hoof articles To: barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 8:48 PM
This was sent from a member of my clicker training group. It's a set of very good articles on natural hoof care.
I know of one lady that gave it to her horse here in Ok and he had an allergic reaction another lady on a mini site mentioned her horse had a terrible reaction I have used it before but never again from hearing of their experiences. Liz in Ok.
Hi guys. I am cross-posting this to most of the lists that I'm on in an effort to get as much input as possible.
I had read some disturbing things about the use of the Quest de-wormer in the past so I just decided to leave it out of my rotation. But, I've ordered my next round of de-wormer for my horses, which should have been Safeguard, and I instead received Quest. I'm trying to decide if I should send the Quest back to the company and go with the Safeguard that I originally ordered, or if I would be OK just giving them the Quest that I have received.
Do any of you have any words of wisdom or advice on this for me?
Hi guys. I am cross-posting this to most of the lists that I'm on in an
effort to get as much input as possible.
I had read some disturbing things about the use of the Quest de-wormer
in the past so I just decided to leave it out of my rotation. But, I've
ordered my next round of de-wormer for my horses, which should have
been Safeguard, and I instead received Quest. I'm trying to decide if I
should send the Quest back to the company and go with the Safeguard
that I originally ordered, or if I would be OK just giving them the
Quest that I have received.
Do any of you have any words of wisdom or advice on this for me?
Thanks in advance!
Peggy in OK
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--- In barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com, Radley Watkins
<rzwatkins@...> wrote:
>
> This discussion leads me to a question.
>
> Background: When lowering the heels I slowly back them up but
don't lower them any shoter than the frog. Still the frog begins to
develop that crack in the sole sulcus. Once this crake develops it
seems like hooves are comprimised. Now I am not big on trimming the
frog, but maybe I should and have just been scared to do so.
>
> Question: Should a trimmer cut portions of the frog off towards
the back of the heel when attempting to "open"/lower the heel?
>
> Thanks,
> Rad
>
Yes. If the frogs are growing out they become thicker so if they
are not wearing down, they will need trimmed too just as any other
part of the hoof that grows and does not wear on its own.
Terry
I usually leave the frog along unless there are little flaps that will catch the dirt and bacteria or in cases of founder, where a frog that's overgrown will cause too much pressure. Otherwise, I don't touch it. Lowering the heel will usually allow the frog to be compressed naturally. If the heel is super high, then you'll probably have to trim excess frog as it will have been attempting to touch the ground the whole time the heels were high.
Background: When lowering the heels I slowly back them up but don't lower them any shoter than the frog. Still the frog begins to develop that crack in the sole sulcus. Once this crake develops it seems like hooves are comprimised. Now I am not big on trimming the frog, but maybe I should and have just been scared to do so.
Question: Should a trimmer cut portions of the frog off towards the back of the heel when attempting to "open"/lower the heel?
I've personally seen more problems created by over trimming of the bars than not trimming. Soles dropping due to no support etc. My horses rarely get their bars touched...they've shed them off as they've fully transitioned. I've found that excess bars are most critical on foundered horses that already are sensitive to any pressure. Even a frog that overgrows can be too much for them. Those horses I keep the bars trimmed to just above the sole.
--- In barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com, Rachel Terranella
<mysunnangel@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone.Here is a side view I will try to get better ones
> tommorrow.I watched a short film with a natuarl trimmer teaching
to trim the
> bars.She exsplained that when the bars are left long not trimmed
that sole
> builds up to the bone inside the hoof & has no place to go so the
next step
> is it causes pressure against the wall which leads to seperation?
I think I've watched that video too. That part made no sense to me
when sole isn't that strong compared to wall horn.
From what I can remember of that video it looked more like it was
the heels that were causing the quarter wall separations and bending
the bars.
> I guess I
> am concerned because my trimmer is not trimming the bars.I have an
> appointment this weekend so I plan to talk to her about it
then.The women
> who trimmed the bars in the film thinks when bars are left & not
trimmed it
> can be one of the reasons for a contracted heal.When I look at the
wild
> horse hoof pictures I notice the bars are not long so I guess I am
wondering
> if this can be a possible factor in the slow process.Thanks it
good to go to
> those who have the knowledge.It may be the simple fact she is just
a slow at
> opening her heals.I guess in my mind a year & a half I should see
her heals
> opening some but maybe I need to be more patient.Her heels are
high I think
> too they have been that way for years.I will take more
measurements &
> pictures after the trim.She is past due the weather has been
killing our
> schedule.I will stop at the Pete Ramey website thanks.
Bars can cause problems that could lead to contraction but high
heels raises the biggest red flag for me. When heels are high they
force more of the horse's weight onto the toes. With less weight on
the heels they can close in tighter. My horses used to have high
heels when my farrier was caring for their feet. I learned to lower
them and they were able to adjust to the lower heels. Of course, I
had to do more than just lower the heels. I trimmed the bars level
with the sole just like what you see in those wild horse feet.
Terry
>
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The picture is fairly low quality but I'd say that the heels are definitely too long. Bars should be trimmed when excessively long, but I've found that as long as they aren't too long, they can be left alone. I've seen more problems from trimming the bars too low and causing problems that way too. They are there for a reason. My horses have long since shed the bars once their feet transitioned completely, and I rarely have any to trim. With laminitic horses it's especially important that the bars are not left too long though. Anything that causes pressure on an already sore foot needs to be avoided. As I said, I judge by running my hand over the whole of the foot and if I feel a spot that comes up over the trimmed and beveled walls, I bring it down. If the foot hits the ground, the bars should come into passive contact. Just make sure that they do not get trimmed below the live sole. Pressure on the walls is what causes separation. The bars being left long may cause soreness that will cause the horse to walk on the toe instead of the heel. This can lead to separation, not the bar itself. Lowering the heels will go a long way to helping. Make sure you don't trim them down below a safe distance. The collateral groove will tell you how far you can go without getting into the lateral tendons and ligaments and causing soreness Pete Ramey's book and Jaime Jackson's books are a great place to start with understanding how the collateral groove measurements can assist you in assessing just how much is safe to trim off. Your horse may never have perfect heels. They may always be contracted somewhat, but if your horse is sound and remaining that way, then it's where that horse is going to be. Trying to force the horses foot into something that it isn't will only cause lameness and reluctance to walk heel to toe.
Thanks everyone.Here is a side view I will try to get better ones tommorrow.I watched a short film with a natuarl trimmer teaching to trim the bars.She exsplained that when the bars are left long not trimmed that sole builds up to the bone inside the hoof & has no place to go so the next step is it causes pressure against the wall which leads to seperation? I guess I am concerned because my trimmer is not trimming the bars.I have an appointment this weekend so I plan to talk to her about it then.The women who trimmed the bars in the film thinks when bars are left & not trimmed it can be one of the reasons for a contracted heal.When I look at the wild horse hoof pictures I notice the bars are not long so I guess I am wondering if this can be a possible factor in the slow process.Thanks it good to go to those who have the knowledge.It may be the simple fact she is just a slow at opening her heals.I guess in my mind a year & a half I should see her heals opening some but maybe I need to be more patient.Her heels are high I think too they have been that way for years.I will take more measurements & pictures after the trim.She is past due the weather has been killing our schedule.I will stop at the Pete Ramey website thanks.
I've found that with horses with contracted heels, the best thing to do, is not do too much. I'm rehabbing a herd of horses whose feet were in terrible shape due to a trimmer doing too much all the time. Thinning the soles to create "flex", trimming heels and attempting to widen them to the point that the heels were thinned to collapse. I only beveled the walls, left the sole completely alone as they all had zero clearance at the collateral groove at the tip of the frog, and trimmed the heels as far as they could safely be trimmed. I did nothing else to the heels. In one month, the heels on the two horses with contractions have at least leveled and are no longer collapsed on one side. The soles are concaving naturally to the point that I can finally start removing dead sole and the feet themselves are looking much healthier. The two horses with severely contracted heels may never have "normal" heels, but they are no longer lame and I've found that over time, if you just keep the heels down and the toe from coming forward, the heels will "de-contract" on their own. Sometimes it's all of a sudden. You go to trim, and you realize, that the heels are well....normal. I have one horse I trim that is no longer contracted and one of my own that had one foot with a contracted heel due to poor shoeing before I got him. He's all of a sudden spread out on his own and I did nothing more than trim the heels down, keep the bars from getting too high ( I don't trim them down farther than I can feel with my palm if I lay it across the foot) and leave it alone otherwise. You can't "make" a heel get wider, you can only trim the foot in as normal and healthy a manner as you can, and allow the horse the chance to heal. If you could get pictures of the hoof in profile, it would also be helpful. I'd like to see the toe, if there's still lamilar wedge or if the toe looks long. The foot doesn't look that bad underneath. Yes the heel is contracted, but you have a sole that is coming along nicely. I would probably bring back the toe from the top more and bring the heel down a bit more. It looks like you have quite a bit of depth at the collateral groove. I would also bevel a lot more than what the photo looks like. It doesn't look like much bevel on the hoof and you'll end up with pressure on the walls.
How long since the last trim? These feet look very overgrown and due for a trim.
I also see some serious infection in the back of the foot. Have you treated the feet for thrush? Linda Cowles has excellent thrusth RX info at her site www.healthyhoof.com.
I would also think you might have some diet issues going on her.
Regards,
Kim Cassidy
www.clickandtrim.com
"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." Mark Twain
>>I am concerned because her feet are still contracted.Any suggestions,ideas, or is this normal?<<
I am by no mean an expert, just a backyard trimmer, but it looks like Denny's heels are too high but I can't really tell from the pictures. Do you have any pictures of Denny's hooves taken from the side with the camera near the ground? A good place to see a lot of pictures of good looking hooves is Pete Ramey's site, http://www.hoofrehab.com/
Hi,I have attachend pictures of my mares feet.She has been getting natural foot care for sometime now beginning July 2007 & I am concerned because her feet are still contracted.Any suggestions,ideas, or is this normal? She is a founder case.Here are pictures I took today.I trimmed the bars alittle thelast few days.I don't think my trimmer istrimming them & I am concerned this is apart of the problem but I may very wrong.There are pictures of her from October 2007 in the photo album if you want to compare.The pictures are her front feet only.Thanks!!
-- Rachel
Thanks.I plan on taking the next course around & will purchase the
other book I need.I am very excited!!! I also need to purchase a hoof
stand I have everything else I need sooo I can't wait.I have been
wanting to learn for a long time :) Is the barefoot trim a live course
& if you miss the class it is saved on the website with special
access?
Rachel
Tentatively January 21st at 8:30 EST is the start of this class. I'll
be posting it on http://www.horsecourses.net as soon as its solid.
:)
Thank you so much for your interest! Gineane Haberlin is an AWESOME
teacher with much to share!
--- In barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <trlrder5@...> wrote:
>
> Gwen,
>
> Introduction to Equine Herbal Remedies says it is the week of Jan
5th though February 9th. I am interested in the class but just
wondered what day and time it is? Same for the Equine Chiropractics
Intro.
>
> Is there somewhere at the website I go to find that out?
>
> Karen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gwen Santagate
> To: barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:54 AM
> Subject: [barefoothorses] ONLINE Horse Courses Start NEXT WEEK!
>
>
> You CAN learn to TRIM YOUR OWN HORSES!
>
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>
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Introduction to Equine Herbal Remedies says it is the week of Jan 5th though February 9th. I am interested in the class but just wondered what day and time it is? Same for the Equine Chiropractics Intro.
Is there somewhere at the website I go to find that out?
Hi Rachel ... Pete Ramey's "Making Natural Hoofcare Work for You" is the other text which we use in this course. I have had many students take this course who were still on dial up without high speed internet. All the materials are always online for up to a year following the start of the course so one can access them at anytime, night or day, as individual scheduling allows. I don't think you would have any issues taking the course with dial up.
From: barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rachel Terranella Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 5:35 PM To: barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [barefoothorses] ONLINE Horse Courses Start NEXT WEEK!
Thanks I want to take some courses!! I will be getting high speed internet soon but not in time for the Jan.5 classes.I hope more will be offered.In the meantime hubby bought me the book & video "The Horse Owners Guide to Natural Hoof Care" by Jaime Jackson.Any other good books or videos would you recommend in the meantime I am really loving learning.
Thanks I want to take some courses!! I will be getting high speed internet soon but not in time for the Jan.5 classes.I hope more will be offered.In the meantime hubby bought me the book & video "The Horse Owners Guide to Natural Hoof Care" by Jaime Jackson.Any other good books or videos would you recommend in the meantime I am really loving learning.
You CAN learn to TRIM YOUR OWN HORSES!
New Classes added for Winter Semester at Penzance Online Equine
Educational Center www.horsecourses.net. Check 'em out!
Equine Massage
Equine Chiropractic
Aromatherapy
Bach Flower Remedies
PLUS ... our usual:
Natural Hoofcare (Our MOST POPULAR)
Clicker Training for Horses
Homeopathy for Horses
& MORE!
Starting next week, January 5th. Evening "live" class discussions -
all online. PERFECT for working horse owners and those with busy
schedules!
The BEST in Online Equine Education offerings SINCE 2005.
www.horsecourses.net