----- Original Message -----

From: Hisewe@...

To: barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 8:11 AM

Subject: Re: [barefoothorses] Re: reoccuring abcesses

Hi Kim,
My horse has very sick feet,high heals, contracted heals, laminitis, &
white line disease.She was trimmied regularly by a farrier that just
had her feet a mess.So I found a natural barefoot trimmer who began
working on her feet in July.Her feet are improving but have a way to go
that is what I mean about healing process.Her heals still seam
contracted so I am going to talk to the trimmer at her next appt. Oct.
20 about that.
Diet is muzzle in pasture,(pasture has clover I plan to get that under
control in the spring but there is clover in the pasture),hay in stall
over night,2 cups grain am & pm.The feed mix is done at a feed mill
mostly oats with just a little corn, molassas, & patriot feed a
comercial feed.We purchase 1200lbs of feed at a time.We also have cut
down many apple trees that were in the pasture.We have one left to go.We
lease the farm & just got permission to cut them down since my horse is
having major problems.The farm I leased planted apple trees for the
horses & they owned horses for 20 some years & of course my horse is the
one having all the problems.:( I also give her A-B-C plus as a
vitamin/minerial supplement.
I cut down the grain but still feed her just a little to get her to
come down from the pasture to give her hay at night.Any suggestiong I
am open to with the feed etc.
I will also try to take pictures tomorrow I have to borrow a camera.I
feel so bad for her & I know she can heal to be a normal horse again.
Thanks Rachel

Hi Rachel:
>
> What do you mean going thru the healing process? Reoccuring abscesses are
> a
> sign of something that is NQR.
>
> I usually only have abscesses in horses who have had laminitis, or one
> bout
> of abscesses in horses with severely contracted feet that start to open.
>
> Do you have any photos you could share? What is your trimmers thoughts on
> why your horse is abscessing?
>
> What is diet, turnout and overall health of horse like?
>
> More questions than answers :D
>
> Regards,
>
> Kim Cassidy
> www.clickandtrim.com
>
> "Get your facts first and then you can distort them as much as you wish."
> Mark Twain
>
>

Hi Kim,
    My horse has very sick feet,high heals, contracted heals, laminitis, &
white line disease.She was trimmied regularly by a farrier that just
had her feet a mess.So I found a natural barefoot trimmer who began
working on her feet in July.Her feet are improving but have a way to go
that is what I mean about healing process.Her heals still seam
contracted so I am going to talk to the trimmer at her next appt. Oct.
20 about that.
   Diet is muzzle in pasture,(pasture has clover I plan to get that under
control in the spring but there is clover in the pasture),hay in stall
over night,2 cups grain am & pm.The feed mix is done at a feed mill
mostly oats with just a little corn, molassas, & patriot feed a
comercial feed.We purchase 1200lbs of feed at a time.We also have cut
down many apple trees that were in the pasture.We have one left to go.We
lease the farm & just got permission to cut them down since my horse is
having major problems.The farm I leased planted apple trees for the
horses & they owned horses for 20 some years & of course my horse is the
one having all the problems.:( I also give her A-B-C plus as a
vitamin/minerial supplement.
    I cut down the grain but still feed her just a little to get her to
come down from the pasture to give her hay at night.Any suggestiong I
am open to with the feed etc.
     I will also try to take pictures tomorrow I have to borrow a camera.I
feel so bad for her & I know she can heal to be a normal horse again.
     Thanks Rachel



Hi Rachel:
>
> What do you mean going thru the healing process?  Reoccuring abscesses are
> a
> sign of something that is NQR.
>
> I usually only have abscesses in horses who have had laminitis, or one
> bout
> of abscesses in horses with severely contracted feet that start to open.
>
> Do you have any photos you could share?  What is your trimmers thoughts on
> why your horse is abscessing?
>
> What is diet, turnout and overall health of horse like?
>
> More questions than answers :D
>
> Regards,
>
> Kim Cassidy
> www.clickandtrim.com
>
> "Get your facts first and then you can distort them as much as you wish."
> Mark Twain
>
>

Hi,
   I have a mare that is having reoccuring abcesses.I just found a
natural barefoot trimmer who has done 3 trims on her so my horse is
still in the healing process.What my question is why do horses have
reoccuring abcesses in their feet? They just keep coming & going I
feel so bad for her.Any suggestions?
    Thanks Rachel

-Hi Kristi,
   What is the deadline this I lost your emails.
     Thanks Rachel

-- In barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com, "KRISTI" <KMolli@...> wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kristi<mailto:KMolli@...>
> To:
OhioHorseFinder@yahoogroups.com<mailto:OhioHorseFinder@yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:35 AM
> Subject: [OhioHorseFinder] Natural Trim Clinic In Fairfield County,
Ohio
>
>
> A friend and I will be hosting a clinic for Natural Horse Trimming
in
> early November. There will be no more than 8 participating in the
> trimming but there will be auditor spots open.
>
> Presenters Information:
> Steve Hebrock began his hoof care odyssey in 1993 after acquiring
his
> first horse. Frustrated by the often-illogical ideas and practices
> that continue to dominate traditional hoof care, he began a journey
> of intense study of trimming, shoeing, and movement theory from a
> diverse range of sources. In 2000, he discovered Jaime Jackson's
book
> The Natural Horse, and has relentlessly pursued the wild horse model
> ever since. An award-winning electronic design engineer with many
> products to his credit, he currently teaches (among other subjects)
> Farriering at The Ohio State University ATI. In his spare time, he
> services his equine hoof clients and strives to increase public
> awareness of equine health issues.
>
>
> Here is what the clinic would entail.
> Hour One
> Registration
> Introductions
> Key structures of the leg & foot
> Movement
> The three functions of the hoof
> Hour Two
> A simple definition of hoof care
> Traditional hoof care
> Origins of Natural Hoof Care
> Jaime Jackson, the wild horse model, and the AANHCP
> Lunch Break
> Hour Three
> What to expect from your barefoot horse
> Selecting, using & maintaining tools
> Elements of the Natural Trim
> Trim demonstration on cadaver hooves
> Hours Four & Five
> Cadaver hoof trimming
> Hour Six
> Safe horse handling & live trimming demonstration
> Other aspects of management
> Treating common hoof disorders
> Question & answer period
>
> Please contact Kristi @ kmolli @ msn.com (remove spaces) if you are
> interested in attending.
>
> More detail to be provided as soon as possible.
> Thanks,
> Kristi
> www.ohioskyacres.com<http://www.ohioskyacres.com/>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

Hi all,

I just uploaded 2 photos (taken from cell phone unfortunatly) of a
set of fronts. They are in my album called 'hit n heel'
The horse is a 4yo gelding, Mustang, gathered in Sept 2005. We
brought this guy down from our friends place 2 weeks ago,
for resell. We take this trip each year to visit our friends, and
bring at least 1 horse home for resell as a saddle horse. Our friend
uses BLM horses on their ranch, as they suit their needs. Anyway the
potential buyer for this horse, wanted radiographs of the front on
the pre-purchase. The vet was kinda giggling and was like "are you
serious?"  His feet are large, probably a size 2 if he were shod and
he's 14.3 and slightly slim built at this time. I'll upload his feet
pics and body too later. I just put the pics up in case anyone wanted
to see them, as I know some people like to see things like that just
for the heck of it. As far as riding terrain--this horse lives on a
somewhat soft/giving ground enviroment, is ridden in the mountains
(Eagle Cap wilderness) and rocky desert of Eastern Oregon. Recently
just did a 20 mile round trip ride leading a pack horse into the
Eagle Caps 2 weeks ago. My husband did his first trim post adoption
in June 06' and showed our friend some things for doing a 'natural'
trim. He has kept up with that, however I don't think he trims that
often. Anyway, enjoy!
Denise

Gwen
Sent you an email and also the pictures are posted in the group
photos under Teresas Foxtrotter

--- In barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com, "Gwenyth Santagate"
<caballus@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Teresa!  Doing well, thx!  Hope you are too. Yeah, long time no
talk!!
> :) :) :) Good to hear from you.
>
> And sure .. shoot some photos my way. caballus@...
> I'll keep my eyes opened for them.
>
>
> :) -- Gwen  <><
> PENZANCE Equine Solutions
> http://www.thepenzancehorse.com <http://www.thepenzancehorse.com/>
> http://www.barefoottrim.com <http://www.barefoottrim.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Teresa
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 9:27 PM
> To: barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [barefoothorses] Founder
>
>
>
> Gwen
>
> This is Teresa Wilson in Oklahoma! How are ya girl! Long time no
talk.
>
> Anyway, we bought a foxtrotter yesterday that has severe founder
going
> on. This guy is a one in a million horse and I just couldnt let him
> by.
> Do you mind if I send you a couple pics tomorrow and have you take
a
> look and tell me how you think I should approach his recovery and
rehab?
>
> Thanks a ton
> Teresa
>

Greetings, I live in northern Ky. I've three horses all appies; mare
25, mare 8, and geilding 2. My horses have been barefooded for the
past 6 years.

Now the resaon, I'm looking into barefoot trimming is becuase when I
get my kids trimmed, roughly 4 to 6 months (I keep them shaped up
between the trims) they are sore for about 2 weeks afterwards. My
farrier trims as if he is going to put shoes on them. So they are
flat yet level.

Now my kids have good strong walls, nice and thick. My farrier notes
how hard they are to cut when he trims them. But right now they have
really thick soles and are sheding them off in 1/8th of an inch or
thicker peices. Heck my oldest mare just popped out of the area
between the bars and wall a peice (and I'm not joking) 3/8th of an
inch thick.

So with everything I'm reading on the net (I havn't got the book yet)
something is not right.

Thank-you for your time
Angelina (Babie 25, Taylor 8, Fool 2)

:) -- Gwen  <><
PENZANCE Equine Solutions
http://www.thepenzancehorse.com
http://www.barefoottrim.com

Gwen

This is Teresa Wilson in Oklahoma! How are ya girl!  Long time no talk.

Anyway, we bought a foxtrotter yesterday that has severe founder going
on.  This guy is a one in a million horse and I just couldnt let him
by.
Do you mind if I send you a couple pics tomorrow and have you take a
look and tell me how you think I should approach his recovery and rehab?

Thanks a ton
Teresa

I  had a certified trimmer come and trim Garth and advise me. She
said to rasp so that the water line bears the weight. I guess that is
what you are doing.  She also sold me somne White Lightening. you mix
it with vinegar and put in the Davis boots, tape with duct tape so
the gasses can work to start healing the separation. it kind of
smells like bleach.
someone said they are using bleach. how much and how to apply.
Marilyn








--- In barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com, "Gwen Santagate"
<caballus@...> wrote:
>
> --- In barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com, "Marilyn Adamik-Solari"
> <msolari@> wrote:
> >
> > i need help. i have 3 photos in the photo section, named Garth
feet.
> > there is a dirty line in between the hoof wall and the sole. What
> > should i do about this?
> > Marilyn
>
> Marilyn ... if you put a 45* bevel on the wall all the way round
the
> hoof then this should help take care of it. Be very careful when
> trimming NOT to rasp the toe callous. This can cause tenderness in
the
> hoof.  For some examples of 45* bevel, I put some of Pete's hooves
on a
> page ...
http://www.barefoottrim.com/2007/45DEGREETRIM/45examples.htm
> Take a look and you'll be able to see the nice beveling around the
> walls.
>
> :) -- Gwen <><
> >
>

Hi, my name is Debi Cole from San Antonio TX and I have an 18 year
old Appaloosa/Quarter/Arabian cross.  She's been barefoot for several
years after a bowed tendon and I had knee surgery.  I was having
a 'farrier' (??!!??) do it and he quicked her so bad she could barely
walk.  I found a natural barefoot trimmer who taught me how to do her
myself and she's been totally sound ever since.  I save lots of money
and have a happy horse.

I have been having a problem with a pre=existing crack right in the
front of her right front hoof.  Another barefoot trimmer has
suggested that I soak her hoot in a 50/50% listerine and water
mixture twice a week.  I'm going to get a soaking boot and try that.
I'll let you know how it works.

As for the barefoot thing, you and your horse will be so happy and
comfortable when the transition is finished you won't know how to
act.  I also recommend discontinuing all grain and switching to all
he can eat good grass hay.  Too much sugar and protein can also hurt
the hooves and their internal organs just like diabetes can hurt
people.

Best of luck to everyone here.

Debi Cole

"Animals do feel like us, also joy, love, fear and pain but they
cannot grasp the spoken word. It is our obligation to take their part
and continue to resist the people who profit by them, who slaughter
them and who torture them." ~Denis De Roughement

--- In barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com, "glickpark" <redshybear@...>
wrote:
>
> HELLO!  I AM NEW TO THE GROUP.  I HAVE JUST STARTED THE JOURNEY
TOWARDS
> SOUNDNESS BY TOSSING MY HORSS SHOES.  I AM NERVOUS BUT HOPEFULL.
> ELDORADO HAD HUGE, LONG CRACKS IN HIS FRONT HOOFS.  THE FARRIER
SAID HE
> DID NOT KOW WHAT ELSE TO DO TO HELP. SO I TOOK THINGS INTO MY OWN
HANDS.
> I MET A NATURAL TRIMMER NAMED IDA HAMMER AND SHE IS HELPING ME
DURING
> THE TRANSITION.
>
> ELDIE IS SORE A GREAT DEAL OF THE TIME AND I AM WONDERING HOW MANY
> OTHER PEOPLE ARE HAVING THE SAME ISSUES. HE HAS BOOTS WHICH HELPS
SOME
> BUT I AM STARTING TO HAVE SECOND THOUGHTS AND FEELING VERY
FRUSTRATED.
> Hi, firstly welcome to the group. Your definately not on your own
as regards being nervous, I felt paranoid to start with and was
constantly examining my horses feet. This feeling does subside as the
hooves start to improve and so does your horses general wellbeing. My
advice is stick with it the end results will be worth it. My horse
and I are only 9wks into being barefoot, so quite new for us too. If
you want support and need to chat feel free to email me. Regards
Chris & Robbie
> ANY FEEDBACK WOULD BE GRATLY APPRECIATED.
>

HELLO!  I AM NEW TO THE GROUP.  I HAVE JUST STARTED THE JOURNEY TOWARDS
SOUNDNESS BY TOSSING MY HORSS SHOES.  I AM NERVOUS BUT HOPEFULL.
ELDORADO HAD HUGE, LONG CRACKS IN HIS FRONT HOOFS.  THE FARRIER SAID HE
DID NOT KOW WHAT ELSE TO DO TO HELP. SO I TOOK THINGS INTO MY OWN HANDS.
I MET A NATURAL TRIMMER NAMED IDA HAMMER AND SHE IS HELPING ME DURING
THE TRANSITION.

ELDIE IS SORE A GREAT DEAL OF THE TIME AND I AM WONDERING HOW MANY
OTHER PEOPLE ARE HAVING THE SAME ISSUES. HE HAS BOOTS WHICH HELPS SOME
BUT I AM STARTING TO HAVE SECOND THOUGHTS AND FEELING VERY FRUSTRATED.

ANY FEEDBACK WOULD BE GRATLY APPRECIATED.

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--- In barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com, "Marilyn Adamik-Solari"
<msolari@...> wrote:
>
> i need help. i have 3 photos in the photo section, named Garth feet.
> there is a dirty line in between the hoof wall and the sole. What
> should i do about this?
> Marilyn

Marilyn ... if you put a 45* bevel on the wall all the way round the
hoof then this should help take care of it. Be very careful when
trimming NOT to rasp the toe callous. This can cause tenderness in the
hoof.  For some examples of 45* bevel, I put some of Pete's hooves on a
page ... http://www.barefoottrim.com/2007/45DEGREETRIM/45examples.htm
Take a look and you'll be able to see the nice beveling around the
walls.

:) -- Gwen <><
>

My 14 year old daughter has started trimming her arabian gelding
herself. Not by choice but by necessity. The farriers that I have
contacted or used in our area either do not call back, miss the appts
or do not come back when we refuse to have shoes put on our horses.
Our normal farrier who did awesome with our horses moved out of state
in Nov and the horses have not had a good trim since.

I would like to find someone to mentor my daughter with trimming her
own hooves.

I would appreciate any input available.
Thanks,
Kristi

i need help. i have 3 photos in the photo section, named Garth feet.
there is a dirty line in between the hoof wall and the sole. What
should i do about this?
Marilyn

--- In barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com, "Marilyn Adamik-Solari"
<msolari@...> wrote:
>
> I cannot load my photos to the photo section.
> can i send them to you and you upload them.
> I did what i was to do but the folder is empty.
> Marilyn
>


I just uploaded 3 photos to the TEST PHOTOS album ... didn't have any
issues at all. See if you can see them without any problems?

Don't know what to tell you ... send the photos to me, Marilyn, and
I'll see if I can get them uploaded for you.   caballus@...

:)-- Gwen <><

I cannot load my photos to the photo section.
can i send them to you and you upload them.
I did what i was to do but the folder is empty.
Marilyn

Hi Everyone,

Here is a preview of our new Issue #28, with the PDF online version set for
official release on Wednesday, August 15 -- and the printed version will be
in the mail soon:

- Spreading the Barefoot Word with Joe Camp (creator of the "Benji" movies)
- Choosing the Right Hoof Boot
- "Horses First Racing" Blazes a Barefoot Trail
- Barefoot Racing Success in the U.S.
- Eventing Barefoot
- Barrel Racing in EasyCare Boots!
- Reining Champions: From Navicular to Bare Front
- Bare Hoof Trimming Apprenticeship
- Wild Horse Hooves
- Trimming Insights by James Welz
- AANHCP Clinics: A Resounding Achievement
- UK Farrier's Conference on Barefoot
- Spunky's Story (Foundered Pony)
- Coffin Bone Rotation - case study
- Charlie's Story, A Navicular Rehab
- Patrick's Puncture - barefoot recovery from a puncture wound
- Newly Discovered Shock Absorber in the Equine Foot by Pete Ramey
- Professional Corner - clinic news, scholarships & courses
- Resources - boot websites, new products
- Hoof Slicing Dissection Photos

The Horse's Hoof Magazine is a 24 page AD-FREE, subscriber-supported
publication dedicated to the barefoot horse and his owner. Each issue is
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revealing exciting stories, and covering all methods and all styles of
barefoot horse care. We present you with all the information, from all
different points of view, as we journey into this exciting new world of
modern barefoot horse care.

To subscribe, please visit:
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Happy hooves!
Yvonne

--
Yvonne Welz, Editor
The Horse's Hoof
P.O. Box 40 * Litchfield Park, AZ 85340
Toll Free Message Phone: 1-877-594-3365
Email: editor @ thehorseshoof.com (delete spaces)
Website: http://thehorseshoof.com

My mare took it fine with about 15 minutes of desensitizing
(approach retreat method). She might not have needed that much, but
I wanted to be super safe. I recommend you check out the abrasive
horse hoof trimmers yahoo group. They are very helpful and there is
a ton of resources on there.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/abrasivehorsehooftrimming/

I haven't tried this with my 7 yr old ex-racer TB yet. He is far
more reactive than the mare. It will take more time I'm sure. Once
my mare figured out it felt good (like a foot massage), she stood
better than she did for rasping etc.

I did not tie her up. I think it's safer, very worth it to teach
your horse to stand or ground tie. If they need to get away, I would
rather they didn't have a rope to fight, it just adds stress and
danger. There are some safety considerations, like containing the
tail, cord handling etc.

I took frequent breaks, since it was a humid day... Arizona monsoon
season... She did lots of licking her lips. I was really pleased
that it took less than half the time I usually spend trimming, and
my back thanks me!!!

If you already have a good grasp of natural balance barefoot methods
(I basically follow Jaime Jackson/Pete Ramey/ Gene Ovnicek theories)
then you can do this!! I love not having the hassle or problems
associated with hiring out hoofcare. And I feel I know my horses
better and am doing right by them. I can make small adjustments when
they need to be done, instead of waiting to fit in on someone's
schedule.

Do learn about the diet and movement needs, as they make a huge
difference. No grain or stalls for us!
  p.s. there are more photos in the album now, including one done
with the abrasive method.

Happy trails!
Rebecca

--- In barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com, "J S" <MajorHershey@...>
wrote:
>
> Can you tell me how well they adjusted to the noise from the
grinder.  For whatever reason, getting a ferrier and keeping them
seems to be hard!  Especially when I point to the Mustang!  They
don't want to touch her, although she stands fine!  The last one
left his nippers here, called to say he was coming to get them the
next week as they cost him $150, and I've never heard another word
from him!!!
>
> Janice in VA
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: onehorsekrazygal<mailto:onehorsekrazygal@...>
>   To:
barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com<mailto:barefoothorses@yahoogroups.com>

>   Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 12:48 PM
>   Subject: [barefoothorses] my horses hooves teach me
>
>
>   I would like to invite y'all to see my new photo album, "My
horses'
>   feet teach me". I am learning so much by going bare. The photos
are of
>   my 2000 OTTB (retired racehorse) gelding. I still have a ways to
go to
>   get his feet where they need to be but we've made significant
>   progress.
>   If you have a moment, please view the album as a slideshow so
you can
>   read my comments about each photo. I would love some feedback.
Isn't
>   it terrific that women can do this too!!!
>   I am grateful to whomever crossposted the link to the Abrasive
horse
>   hoof trimmers yahoo group, as I am finding trimming SO much
faster,
>   easier by using the abrasive method. The trims in the photos
were done
>   with traditional tools. TTFN Happy trails!!
>

I would like to invite y'all to see my new photo album, "My horses'
feet teach me". I am learning so much by going bare. The photos are of
my 2000 OTTB (retired racehorse) gelding. I still have a ways to go to
get his feet where they need to be but we've made significant
progress.
If you have a moment, please view the album as a slideshow so you can
read my comments about each photo. I would love some feedback. Isn't
it terrific that women can do this too!!!
I am grateful to whomever crossposted the link to the Abrasive horse
hoof trimmers yahoo group, as I am finding trimming SO much faster,
easier by using the abrasive method. The trims in the photos were done
with traditional tools. TTFN Happy trails!!

i'm having trouble loading photos.
i also noticed several other empty folders
anyone know what is up with tthat>
Marilyn

I am jealous!!!!
Beautiful mountains & horses.The dun reminds me of my mare.
I would love to own a mustang!

Hi all,
>
> Each summer we take the horses up to the mountains to get away from the
> heat here in Southern California. We highline camp for a few days.  This
> year I took my new colt that our friend broke just for me. He's 3 years
> old, and has NEVER had anything on his feet besides earth. Yes, he's a
> mustang.   This wonderful boy was brought to me for Christmas of last
> year, and I've been riding him and getting to know him. He's is the most
> amazing mountain horse I found out! He was so at ease, going over, thru,
> and around things that other horses were having issues with. He never took
> an ouchy step, and had one chip on a quarter that was quite small. My
> husband made a note that I found quite interesting. Our horses were the
> only ones who didn't end up with any cuts/abrasions on their pasterns,
> heel bulbs, or coronets. After going back thru the pics from last summer,
> we found this was a repeat performance. We rode in this terrain for 3 days
> with Friday 2 hours, Saturday 6 hours, and Sunday 3.5 hours. Neither of
> the horses came up sore. We keep boots in the trailer just in case, but
> have yet to have to use them.
>
> I put up a ton of pics online, but am going to put a few of them in the
> folder named Hit N Heel. If anyone would like to see the weekend pics
> (there are about 200 total) they are up online at:
> http://www.hitnheel.com/camp7-07
>
> Denise
>