And I'm now going to have to say back to you, boy are you being
defensive. You seem, to me, to be mistaking disagreeing with you as
attacking you. I didn't see any post, including mine, that came on
and said mean or verbally abusive things. They disagreed what you
said and stated what they thought. And I agree with them. The track
has been the way it has for 60 some years and has worked well. The
key has alwsys been in learning to skate properly on it.
  Hey, you never know, your way may be better, but as i said, I'm
skeptical and until i try it out myself to see I won't agree with
you. I doesn't mean I'm attacking you, just that I disagree with you.

                         David


--- In bankedtracknews@yahoogroups.com, Kelly Lett <miskal_13@...>
wrote:
>
> And this is why I never post on this board because I
> just got attacked on all sides. Why is that? Boy you
> guys sure are defensive.
>  The question was posed as to why the rails were
> shaped the way they were and I answered it. I know
> it's not "phony" cause I personally built that track.
> Was there everyday working on it.
> And yes we are trained to kick off the rail, but
> what's the problem with making improvements to the
> technical design of the track? We took a look at what
> we had been skating on, an old T-bird track, and made
> it better.
>
> My first post was a simple answer that was not meant
> to offend.  But boy that wasn't what I got back. Do
> you all sit around just wanting someone to pick on?
> It sure seems that way.
>
> Lighten up guys.
> Kelly ka-BOOM
> LADD
> Tough Cookies #7
>
>
> "In a deviant struggle for a better reality, I dream."  -
Kelly "Kaboom"-
> miskal_13@...
>
>
>
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And this is why I never post on this board because I
just got attacked on all sides. Why is that? Boy you
guys sure are defensive.
  The question was posed as to why the rails were
shaped the way they were and I answered it. I know
it's not "phony" cause I personally built that track.
Was there everyday working on it.
And yes we are trained to kick off the rail, but
what's the problem with making improvements to the
technical design of the track? We took a look at what
we had been skating on, an old T-bird track, and made
it better.

My first post was a simple answer that was not meant
to offend.  But boy that wasn't what I got back. Do
you all sit around just wanting someone to pick on?
It sure seems that way.

Lighten up guys.
Kelly ka-BOOM
LADD
Tough Cookies #7


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Thank you, Lou!  You posted what I was thinking.  I'm not saying that
some things can't be improved, but the track worked for almost 70
years and now it's design doesn't work anymore?

The key to proper Roller Derby skating is in training and LOTS of it.
  It not only builds knowledge, it builds endurance.

Jersey Joe


--- In bankedtracknews@yahoogroups.com, DERBY1LOU@... wrote:

> we have been skating roller derby 50 years and now you tell me we
need to change our track design and rail design for your safety
decision. I feel the way your track is design can cause more injuries.
#1 Learn to skate
#2 Learn to fall without hurting yourself
#3 Stay away from rails
#4 the most importance in skating learn to skate ROLLER DERBY>

\I KNOW ALOT OF PEOPLE OUT HERE DON'T UNDERSTAND ME BUT SOME KNOW
WHERE MY HEART IS AND WHAT IM ALL ABOUT
> >
> > I've talked with BIT this year and I'm told there
> > could be plans to
> > sell the games or broadcast them on a vintage sports
> > channel. What's
> > exciting are games or halves of games that haven't
> > been seen since
> > 1973 and let's not forget the 50's games in there
> > too. Once that list
> > is available, hopefully by early 07, I will post for
> > everyone to see.
> > Both CCG and BIT ask they NOT be contacted with
> > questions so please
> > respect their requests. So, as we all knew then and
> > now, the claimants
> > to ownership were frauds and any sales on the net
> > are obviously
> > illegal. Well, hope that makes IRDL fan's weekend.
> > <p>
> >
> > http://www5.sys-con.com/read/166008.htm CCQ buys
> > film library
>

  > =========================================
> > I have one question to  ask, If everyone seems to have rights to
any roller derby or roller games films
===========================================
  WHAT RIGHTS DO THE SKATERS HAVE TO THERE NAME BEING USED TO SELL
THESE TAPES PLUS THE ALL THE SKATERS WHO ARE IN THESE FILMS
WHAT IF ALL THE SKATERS GOT LAWYERS AND PUT A STOP TO ANYONE SELLING
THESE TAPES THEN FOR SURE DERBY HAD DIED AS NOW SOMEONE HAS BROUGHT
LIFE BACK INTO THE DERBY WORLD TO SEE WHAT SKATING WAS AND IS SOPOSE
TO BE FOR ANOTHER FUTURE. EVERYONE KNOCKS THE GALS FOR THERE TYPE OF
SKATING WELL ONE QUESTION AGAIN WHAT HAVE THEY SEEN IN THE LAST 20
YRS TO LEARN FROM.ROLLER JAM/GRIFFITHS  BULL SHIT OF HIS FISH IN THE
SEA, SKATERS WHO ALL THEY DO IS FIGHT AND LESS SKATING TO SELL THE
PUBLIC THERE NO BETTER THEN THE WRESTLERS WHO NOW OWN THE SPORTS
WORLD OF EXCITEMENT WHERE THESE FANS WERE DERBY FANS
ALL I HEAR OUT HERE IS WHO WHAT AND WHERE, WELL SKATERS OF THE PAST
HAVE SOME OF THESE OLD VIDEOS MADE OFF OF FILM FOR SOME REASON HEY
GOT OFF THE SHELF AND OTHERS GOT THERE HANDS ON THEM SO NOW THERE AN
OPEN MARKET AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED  GLAD TO EVEN KNOW THAT THERE ARE
SOME WHO STILL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM JUST TO GO BACK DOWN MEMORY
LANE, BUT WHO AGAIN IS MAKING MONEY OFF OF THEM, NOT SOME OF THE
SKATERS WHO WERE IN THESE FILMS
IM SURE SOME OUT HERE HAVE HELP SKATERS IN NEED BUT AGAIN THERE ARE
OTHERS HO ALSO FEED THERE OWN POCKETS TO HELP THEMSELVES  SO BE VERY
CAREFUL HEN YOU SAY THERE ARE RULES TO SELLING TAPES, IF I WANTED TO
I COULD PUT MY HOUSE UP ON EBAY AND SELL MY COLLECTIONS, BUT TO ME
THERE MY PERSONAL PICTURES FILMS AND WILL NEVER BE SOLD AND THEY HAVE
BEEN COPIED OVER A THOUSAND TIMES BY OTHERS WHO SOLD THEM. IF SKATERS
GAVE FRIENDS OR FANS SOME OF THERE COLLECTIONS THEY WERE GIVEN OUT OF
LOVE NOT TO BE MARKETED AS A WAY OF SOMEONE MAKING A LIVING OFF OF
SKATERS OF THE PAST.
BUT AGAIN IM GLAD THERE ISA MARKET TO SEE THE PAST AS ITS A WAY AF
MAYBE BRINGING BACK A FUTURE.

  THESE GALS LOOK AT WHERE THEY HAVE GONE  PAYING THERE OWN WAY,
GETTING THEMSELVES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY STARTINF NEW TEAMS , THEY
MIGHT NOT BE THE DERBY WE ALL REMEMBER BUT TELL ME TODAY WHAT IS .,
EVEN ROLLER JAM  HAS NOW BEEN TAKEN OUT OF HIDING AND SELL VIDEOS
OVER IN EUROPE
SO ENJOY WHAT YOU HAVE COLLECTED, IF OTHERS DON'T NOW WHAT THE PAST
WAS LIKE THEY NEVER WILL MAKE A FUTURE AGAIN.
SEEING  ALLDIFFERENT TYPES OF GAMES ONE FROM THE ORGINAL DERBY OF THE
50'S 60' THEN GOING TO THE LATER YRS OF THE 70'S * 80'S NOW YOUR INTO
A ANOTHER GENERATION SO LIVE WITH WHAT YOUR SEEING OR GO OUT AND
TRAIN SKATERS AND TEACH THEM WHAT THE RULES AND GAME OF ROLLER DERBY
IS ALL ABOUT.
GIVE CREDIT TO DAN FOR KEEPING HIS SKATERS ALIVE AND THESE GALS FOR
GROWING .MAYBE IF YOU UNDERSTOOD THERE WAY OF PLAYING YOU ALSO MIGHT
ENJOY THERE EFFORT IN TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THEY ALSO FELL IN LOVE
WITH.REMEMBER THERE JUST LEARNING,FLAT TRACK AND SOME WHO HAVE BANK
TRACKS WILL SOON GROW AGAIN. THERE ARE FANS FOR ANYTHING THAT MOVES
AND IS EXCITING.
MY OPINION AS ALWAYS MY BIG MOUTH, AT ONE TIME THE ROLLER DERBY SKATE
CO HAD HOUSED KINESCOPES FROM ALL OF THE GAMES IN THE 50'S SOME WHERE
IN A PLACE THERE ARE STILL SOME AROUND, WHEN SKATING WAS ON TV  THESE
WERE USED OVER AND OVER TO TAPE TV GAMES, AND SENT TO THEN TOWNS THE
SKATERS TEAMS WILL BE SKATING FOR ADVERTISING, SOME SAY FILMS CAN BE
FOUND IN OTHER PLACE.
SO HUNT AROUND AND ASK SOMEDAY THERE IS LOTS OF FILMS IN AUSTIN TEXAS

HEDDA REPORTING

Well, I would have to skate the track with the rails the way you
have them to believe they are better that way, otherwise it makes no
sense to me to make them that way. Not saying it doesn't I'd just
have to check it out in person.
  Yes, skaters got injured hitting the rail sometimes, but they also
got injured on all different parts of the track. The thing was, we
learned how to hit the rail properly to minimize chances of getting
hurt. I know nothing of how the Dolls are trained, but maybe they
just haven't taught them that particular skill.

                       David

--- In bankedtracknews@yahoogroups.com, Kelly Lett <miskal_13@...>
wrote:
>
> The change in the way that the uprights stand was a
> saftey decision. With the old posts standing straight
> up between the kickrail and handrail the possiblity of
> broken arms, calivcals, ribs, etc. was a very real
> threat. I'm sure some of you saw some pretty nasty
> injuries brought on by a skater slamming into the
> uprights at high speeds.
>
> In order to try and prevent that our track designer
> played with the uprights and found a way to bend them
> out and away from the track. The trick was making them
> do that and remain strong enough to hold the weight of
> a skater hitting the rail.
>
> Kelly ka-BOOM
> LADD
> Tough Cookies #7
>
> "In a deviant struggle for a better reality, I dream."  -
Kelly "Kaboom"-
> miskal_13@...
>
>
>
>
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...to new members sacrdskater, martin9us, arigreenberg2, and isrn13.
thanks for joining!

Well, that wasn't very short...but it was sweet...

But I will believe it when I actually have the tapes
or DVDs in my grubby little paws.

If it is true, that's great, but I still see no
hardcore evidence of such. I tend not to believe
anything until I see it from multiple sources or a
source I have actual personal experience with (sorry,
I've been in the newspaper business too long!!)


--- TeeA <carefreewc@...> wrote:

> Ok I'm going to keep this short and sweet to the
> naysayers of this revelation. <p>
>
> Jerry Seltzer has no idea what happened to his games
> and how would he know since he's been out of it for
> 33
> years. I even asked him personally and didn't know
> and
> referred that question to Don Drewry. All
> collectors,
> skaters and die hard fans I've talked to also didn't
> know <p>
>
> CCG purchased a huge sports tape library that
> included
> the IRDL tapes and this was not the reason for their
> acquisition, it just happened these tapes were part
> of
> it along with college and pro games. <p>
>
> The actual press release mentioning specfically
> Roller
> Derby games and Joan Weston, Charlie O, Tony Roman,
> etc, is from 1999 acquisition by Cavalcade of Sports
> Media. I will post that for everyone to see. <p>
>
> And last, I researched this all year and this is not
> a
> phony item. Everything I posted I stand by. You have
> to realize both companies know nothing about the
> history of Roller Derby or RD as we know it. The
> 1999
> press release should squash any doubts. <p>
>
> If anyone has any doubts they can contact me
> personally and I will give you my contacts at both
> companies and you can confirm it with them. Stay
> tuned
>
>
> --- sacrdskater <sacrdskater@...> wrote:
>
> > This sounds totally phony to me for a number of
> > reasons:
> >
> > 1. In the press release found at the link toward
> the
> > bottom of this
> > message, no mention is made of Roller Derby games.
> >
> > 2. Former Roller Derby owner Jerry Seltzer has
> long
> > acknowledged none
> > of these tapes were saved. You would think, he of
> > all people, would know.
> >
> > 3. "Both CCG and BIT ask they NOT be contacted
> with
> > questions so
> > please respect their requests. "
> >
> > Yeah, duh, I wonder why. They would deny any
> > knowledge of having
> > Roller Derby tapes. In fact, I'm going to go
> contact
> > them right now.
> >
> > 4. "I can tell you one conversation I had with the
> > CCG CEO
> > and he had a raw list of the games he owns and
> there
> > was over a hundred entries on it. There was no
> dates
> > on it just names of the IRDL teams. He says "whats
> > this Bombers and Pioneers?"."
> >
> > Oh come on, give me a break!!! If this company
> > bought these tapes,
> > they are going to know what's on them. Would you
> buy
> > something blindly
> > without knowing what you are buying?
> >
> > There is absolutely no hardcore evidence in these
> > messages that any of
> > this is true.
> >
> >
> > --- In bankedtracknews@yahoogroups.com, TeeA
> > <carefreewc@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > It's pretty simple now. CCG owns all rights for
> > > distribution and selling 73 IRDL and some 50's
> > games.
> > > The CEO was not happy his property is being sold
> > on
> > > Ebay right now.
> > >
> > > --- fox953@... wrote:
> > >
> > > > I dont know about the legalities,but it is nic
> e
> > to
> > > > know that there are opportunities in the
> future
> > to
> > > > purchase more games..
> > > > Keep us posted..
> > > > Tom//
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > > > From: "carefreewc" <carefreewc@...>
> > > > There certainly have been some heated
> arguments
> > and
> > > > speculation over
> > > > what happened to the 1973 IRDL tapes.
> Collectors
> > and
> > > > ex skaters have
> > > > told me they are either destroyed, lost or
> > simply
> > > > public domain. Not
> > > > true folks. They reside in a climate
> controlled
> > > > vault in Southern
> > > > California. Let me clear up once for all who
> > owns
> > > > them and what RD
> > > > fans may see in the future. <p>
> > > >
> > > > What happened to the games after the Derby
> > folded I
> > > > dont know other
> > > > than ABR entertainment showing IRDL games on
> > cable
> > > > TV which resulted
> > > > in alot of the games in circulation today.
> Let's
> > > > fast forward to 1999.
> > > > That year Cavalcade of Sports Media made a
> large
> > > > sports film purchase
> > > > which included the IRDL games and 1950's
> games.
> > The
> > > > press release was
> > > > on the internet I was surprised nobody saw it.
> > In
> > > > Dec 2005 Cavalcade
> > > > sold their collection to Collectible Concepts
> > Group
> > > > which is a sports
> > > > licensing company with MLB,NBA and NFL
> > agreements
> > > > (see press release
> > > > link below). CCG has partnered this year with
> > Back
> > > > in Time TV to
> > > > market and distribute many of the vintage
> games
> > in
> > > > this library.
> > > > Because of this enormous job of going through
> > > > thousands of hours of
> > > > film/tape and their impending move, BIT hasn't
> > > > gotten to the IRDL
> > > > games yet. This is why I waited to post
> because
> > I
> > > > wanted to provide a
> > > > link to the complete list including dates and
> > teams
> > > > skating. <p>
> > > >
> > > > I've talked with BIT this year and I'm told
> > there
> > > > could be plans to
> > > > sell the games or broadcast them on a vintage
> > sports
> > > > channel. What's
> > > > exciting are games or halves of games that
> > haven't
> > > > been seen since
> > > > 1973 and let's not forget the 50's games in
> > there
> > > > too. Once that list
> > > > is available, hopefully by early 07, I will
> post
> > for
> > > > everyone to see.
> > > > Both CCG and BIT ask they NOT be contacted
> with
> > > > questions so please
> > > > respect their requests. So, as we all knew
> then
> > and
> > > > now, the claimants
> > > > to ownership were frauds and any sales on the
> > net
>
=== message truncated ===


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Thank you for embracing this instead of fighting it. I
have a feeling that some people want this still to
remain a secret for personal agendas.




--- Adrian Yuen <ayuen@...> wrote:

> I think we are all hoping that there are roller
> derby tapes and that may
> blind us to logic and reason.  If there is little to
> lose to hope, maybe we
> should continue to lightly press the right people to
> making these tapes
> available for dire-hards like us.
>
>
>
> Aloha,
>
>
>
> Dr. Adrian Yuen
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: bankedtracknews@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:bankedtracknews@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of sacrdskater
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 11:43 AM
> To: bankedtracknews@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [BANKED TRACK NEWS] Roller Derby tape
> ownership
>
>
>
> This sounds totally phony to me for a number of
> reasons:
>
> 1. In the press release found at the link toward the
> bottom of this
> message, no mention is made of Roller Derby games.
>
> 2. Former Roller Derby owner Jerry Seltzer has long
> acknowledged none
> of these tapes were saved. You would think, he of
> all people, would know.
>
> 3. "Both CCG and BIT ask they NOT be contacted with
> questions so
> please respect their requests. "
>
> Yeah, duh, I wonder why. They would deny any
> knowledge of having
> Roller Derby tapes. In fact, I'm going to go contact
> them right now.
>
> 4. "I can tell you one conversation I had with the
> CCG CEO
> and he had a raw list of the games he owns and there
> was over a hundred entries on it. There was no dates
> on it just names of the IRDL teams. He says "whats
> this Bombers and Pioneers?"."
>
> Oh come on, give me a break!!! If this company
> bought these tapes,
> they are going to know what's on them. Would you buy
> something blindly
> without knowing what you are buying?
>
> There is absolutely no hardcore evidence in these
> messages that any of
> this is true.
>
> --- In bankedtracknews@
> <mailto:bankedtracknews%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, TeeA <carefreewc@...> wrote:
> >
> > It's pretty simple now. CCG owns all rights for
> > distribution and selling 73 IRDL and some 50's
> games.
> > The CEO was not happy his property is being sold
> on
> > Ebay right now.
> >
> > --- fox953@... wrote:
> >
> > > I dont know about the legalities,but it is nic e
> to
> > > know that there are opportunities in the future
> to
> > > purchase more games..
> > > Keep us posted..
> > > Tom//
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: "carefreewc" <carefreewc@...>
> > > There certainly have been some heated arguments
> and
> > > speculation over
> > > what happened to the 1973 IRDL tapes. Collectors
> and
> > > ex skaters have
> > > told me they are either destroyed, lost or
> simply
> > > public domain. Not
> > > true folks. They reside in a climate controlled
> > > vault in Southern
> > > California. Let me clear up once for all who
> owns
> > > them and what RD
> > > fans may see in the future. <p>
> > >
> > > What happened to the games after the Derby
> folded I
> > > dont know other
> > > than ABR entertainment showing IRDL games on
> cable
> > > TV which resulted
> > > in alot of the games in circulation today. Let's
> > > fast forward to 1999.
> > > That year Cavalcade of Sports Media made a large
> > > sports film purchase
> > > which included the IRDL games and 1950's games.
> The
> > > press release was
> > > on the internet I was surprised nobody saw it.
> In
> > > Dec 2005 Cavalcade
> > > sold their collection to Collectible Concepts
> Group
> > > which is a sports
> > > licensing company with MLB,NBA and NFL
> agreements
> > > (see press release
> > > link below). CCG has partnered this year with
> Back
> > > in Time TV to
> > > market and distribute many of the vintage games
> in
> > > this library.
> > > Because of this enormous job of going through
> > > thousands of hours of
> > > film/tape and their impending move, BIT hasn't
> > > gotten to the IRDL
> > > games yet. This is why I waited to post because
> I
> > > wanted to provide a
> > > link to the complete list including dates and
> teams
> > > skating. <p>
> > >
> > > I've talked with BIT this year and I'm told
> there
> > > could be plans to
> > > sell the games or broadcast them on a vintage
> sports
> > > channel. What's
> > > exciting are games or halves of games that
> haven't
> > > been seen since
> > > 1973 and let's not forget the 50's games in
> there
> > > too. Once that list
> > > is available, hopefully by early 07, I will post
> for
> > > everyone to see.
> > > Both CCG and BIT ask they NOT be contacted with
> > > questions so please
> > > respect their requests. So, as we all knew then
> and
> > > now, the claimants
> > > to ownership were frauds and any sales on the
> net
> > > are obviously
> > > illegal. Well, hope that makes IRDL fan's
> weekend.
> > > <p>
> > >
> > > http://www5.
> <http://www5.sys-con.com/read/166008.htm>
> sys-con.com/read/166008.htm CCQ buys
> > > film library
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Ok I'm going to keep this short and sweet to the
naysayers of this revelation. <p>

Jerry Seltzer has no idea what happened to his games
and how would he know since he's been out of it for 33
years. I even asked him personally and didn't know and
referred that question to Don Drewry. All collectors,
skaters and die hard fans I've talked to also didn't
know <p>

CCG purchased a huge sports tape library that included
the IRDL tapes and this was not the reason for their
acquisition, it just happened these tapes were part of
it along with college and pro games. <p>

The actual press release mentioning specfically Roller
Derby games and Joan Weston, Charlie O, Tony Roman,
etc, is from 1999 acquisition by Cavalcade of Sports
Media. I will post that for everyone to see. <p>

And last, I researched this all year and this is not a
phony item. Everything I posted I stand by. You have
to realize both companies know nothing about the
history of Roller Derby or RD as we know it. The 1999
press release should squash any doubts. <p>

If anyone has any doubts they can contact me
personally and I will give you my contacts at both
companies and you can confirm it with them. Stay tuned


--- sacrdskater <sacrdskater@...> wrote:

> This sounds totally phony to me for a number of
> reasons:
>
> 1. In the press release found at the link toward the
> bottom of this
> message, no mention is made of Roller Derby games.
>
> 2. Former Roller Derby owner Jerry Seltzer has long
> acknowledged none
> of these tapes were saved. You would think, he of
> all people, would know.
>
> 3. "Both CCG and BIT ask they NOT be contacted with
> questions so
> please respect their requests. "
>
> Yeah, duh, I wonder why. They would deny any
> knowledge of having
> Roller Derby tapes. In fact, I'm going to go contact
> them right now.
>
> 4. "I can tell you one conversation I had with the
> CCG CEO
> and he had a raw list of the games he owns and there
> was over a hundred entries on it. There was no dates
> on it just names of the IRDL teams. He says "whats
> this Bombers and Pioneers?"."
>
> Oh come on, give me a break!!! If this company
> bought these tapes,
> they are going to know what's on them. Would you buy
> something blindly
> without knowing what you are buying?
>
> There is absolutely no hardcore evidence in these
> messages that any of
> this is true.
>
>
> --- In bankedtracknews@yahoogroups.com, TeeA
> <carefreewc@...> wrote:
> >
> > It's pretty simple now. CCG owns all rights for
> > distribution and selling 73 IRDL and some 50's
> games.
> > The CEO was not happy his property is being sold
> on
> > Ebay right now.
> >
> > --- fox953@... wrote:
> >
> > > I dont know about the legalities,but it is nic e
> to
> > > know that there are opportunities in the future
> to
> > > purchase more games..
> > > Keep us posted..
> > > Tom//
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: "carefreewc" <carefreewc@...>
> > > There certainly have been some heated arguments
> and
> > > speculation over
> > > what happened to the 1973 IRDL tapes. Collectors
> and
> > > ex skaters have
> > > told me they are either destroyed, lost or
> simply
> > > public domain. Not
> > > true folks. They reside in a climate controlled
> > > vault in Southern
> > > California. Let me clear up once for all who
> owns
> > > them and what RD
> > > fans may see in the future. <p>
> > >
> > > What happened to the games after the Derby
> folded I
> > > dont know other
> > > than ABR entertainment showing IRDL games on
> cable
> > > TV which resulted
> > > in alot of the games in circulation today. Let's
> > > fast forward to 1999.
> > > That year Cavalcade of Sports Media made a large
> > > sports film purchase
> > > which included the IRDL games and 1950's games.
> The
> > > press release was
> > > on the internet I was surprised nobody saw it.
> In
> > > Dec 2005 Cavalcade
> > > sold their collection to Collectible Concepts
> Group
> > > which is a sports
> > > licensing company with MLB,NBA and NFL
> agreements
> > > (see press release
> > > link below). CCG has partnered this year with
> Back
> > > in Time TV to
> > > market and distribute many of the vintage games
> in
> > > this library.
> > > Because of this enormous job of going through
> > > thousands of hours of
> > > film/tape and their impending move, BIT hasn't
> > > gotten to the IRDL
> > > games yet. This is why I waited to post because
> I
> > > wanted to provide a
> > > link to the complete list including dates and
> teams
> > > skating. <p>
> > >
> > > I've talked with BIT this year and I'm told
> there
> > > could be plans to
> > > sell the games or broadcast them on a vintage
> sports
> > > channel. What's
> > > exciting are games or halves of games that
> haven't
> > > been seen since
> > > 1973 and let's not forget the 50's games in
> there
> > > too. Once that list
> > > is available, hopefully by early 07, I will post
> for
> > > everyone to see.
> > > Both CCG and BIT ask they NOT be contacted with
> > > questions so please
> > > respect their requests. So, as we all knew then
> and
> > > now, the claimants
> > > to ownership were frauds and any sales on the
> net
> > > are obviously
> > > illegal. Well, hope that makes IRDL fan's
> weekend.
> > > <p>
> > >
> > > http://www5.sys-con.com/read/166008.htm CCQ buys
> > > film library
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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This sounds totally phony to me for a number of reasons:

1. In the press release found at the link toward the bottom of this
message, no mention is made of Roller Derby games.

2. Former Roller Derby owner Jerry Seltzer has long acknowledged none
of these tapes were saved. You would think, he of all people, would know.

3. "Both CCG and BIT ask they NOT be contacted with questions so
please respect their requests. "

Yeah, duh, I wonder why. They would deny any knowledge of having
Roller Derby tapes. In fact, I'm going to go contact them right now.

4. "I can tell you one conversation I had with the CCG CEO
and he had a raw list of the games he owns and there
was over a hundred entries on it. There was no dates
on it just names of the IRDL teams. He says "whats
this Bombers and Pioneers?"."

Oh come on, give me a break!!! If this company bought these tapes,
they are going to know what's on them. Would you buy something blindly
without knowing what you are buying?

There is absolutely no hardcore evidence in these messages that any of
this is true.


--- In bankedtracknews@yahoogroups.com, TeeA <carefreewc@...> wrote:
>
> It's pretty simple now. CCG owns all rights for
> distribution and selling 73 IRDL and some 50's games.
> The CEO was not happy his property is being sold on
> Ebay right now.
>
> --- fox953@... wrote:
>
> > I dont know about the legalities,but it is nic e to
> > know that there are opportunities in the future to
> > purchase more games..
> > Keep us posted..
> > Tom//
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "carefreewc" <carefreewc@...>
> > There certainly have been some heated arguments and
> > speculation over
> > what happened to the 1973 IRDL tapes. Collectors and
> > ex skaters have
> > told me they are either destroyed, lost or simply
> > public domain. Not
> > true folks. They reside in a climate controlled
> > vault in Southern
> > California. Let me clear up once for all who owns
> > them and what RD
> > fans may see in the future. <p>
> >
> > What happened to the games after the Derby folded I
> > dont know other
> > than ABR entertainment showing IRDL games on cable
> > TV which resulted
> > in alot of the games in circulation today. Let's
> > fast forward to 1999.
> > That year Cavalcade of Sports Media made a large
> > sports film purchase
> > which included the IRDL games and 1950's games. The
> > press release was
> > on the internet I was surprised nobody saw it. In
> > Dec 2005 Cavalcade
> > sold their collection to Collectible Concepts Group
> > which is a sports
> > licensing company with MLB,NBA and NFL agreements
> > (see press release
> > link below). CCG has partnered this year with Back
> > in Time TV to
> > market and distribute many of the vintage games in
> > this library.
> > Because of this enormous job of going through
> > thousands of hours of
> > film/tape and their impending move, BIT hasn't
> > gotten to the IRDL
> > games yet. This is why I waited to post because I
> > wanted to provide a
> > link to the complete list including dates and teams
> > skating. <p>
> >
> > I've talked with BIT this year and I'm told there
> > could be plans to
> > sell the games or broadcast them on a vintage sports
> > channel. What's
> > exciting are games or halves of games that haven't
> > been seen since
> > 1973 and let's not forget the 50's games in there
> > too. Once that list
> > is available, hopefully by early 07, I will post for
> > everyone to see.
> > Both CCG and BIT ask they NOT be contacted with
> > questions so please
> > respect their requests. So, as we all knew then and
> > now, the claimants
> > to ownership were frauds and any sales on the net
> > are obviously
> > illegal. Well, hope that makes IRDL fan's weekend.
> > <p>
> >
> > http://www5.sys-con.com/read/166008.htm CCQ buys
> > film library
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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The change in the way that the uprights stand was a
saftey decision. With the old posts standing straight
up between the kickrail and handrail the possiblity of
broken arms, calivcals, ribs, etc. was a very real
threat. I'm sure some of you saw some pretty nasty
injuries brought on by a skater slamming into the
uprights at high speeds.

In order to try and prevent that our track designer
played with the uprights and found a way to bend them
out and away from the track. The trick was making them
do that and remain strong enough to hold the weight of
a skater hitting the rail.

Kelly ka-BOOM
LADD
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About the only difference it made was having to get used to changing
your stride, making it longer or shorter, or taking more steps to get
around the track. There was as you said, for some skaters, a matter
of endurance also.
  As for the part about the rails going inward more, I've never heard
of that on any track before. Maybe it just looked that way because of
the way it was filmed, or maybe they put the rails up wrong. It
doesn't make sense to have them more inward. When you skate the track
you use the whole track. If the rail is leaning inward it would keep
you from going all the way up the high part, I would think.

                           David

--- In bankedtracknews@yahoogroups.com, King Daevid MacKenzie
<echoesmaster@...> wrote:
>
> DAV0002 sez:
> >  Actually what it is is tracks were sized differently to fit in
the
> > auditoriums.  I skated and trained at the Olympic  at the time
you
> > mention and it was fairly small because the Olympic Auditorium is
a
> > small space. In a larger arena you could add more straightaway
pieces
> > to make it longer. Like with the Pomona league in 1996. The first
> > game was at the Orange Show Fairgrounds and the track was much
longer
> > then when they skated the game with the same track at the Olympic.
>
> ...okeh, that makes sense. Did that, by any chance, create more
active
> games for the TV tapings, or did it create any ability issues for
the
> skaters (other than stamina, heh heh)?...I also noticed the side
rails
> on the LADD track seem to have posts that inclined toward the oval.
I've
> never noticed that before. Was that a new feature, or did any of
the
> old-school tracks have those?...
>
> --
> King Daevid MacKenzie, WLSU-FM 88.9 La Crosse, Wisconsin, USA
http://www.myspace.com/kingdaevid
> heard Sundays 8:00 A.M. PST/PDT at
http://www.krfp.org/documents/listen_windowsmedia.asx
> archived in mp3 at http://www.radio4all.net
> "You can live in your dreams, but only if you are worthy of them."
HARLAN ELLISON
>

DAV0002 sez:
>  Actually what it is is tracks were sized differently to fit in the
> auditoriums.  I skated and trained at the Olympic  at the time you
> mention and it was fairly small because the Olympic Auditorium is a
> small space. In a larger arena you could add more straightaway pieces
> to make it longer. Like with the Pomona league in 1996. The first
> game was at the Orange Show Fairgrounds and the track was much longer
> then when they skated the game with the same track at the Olympic.

...okeh, that makes sense. Did that, by any chance, create more active
games for the TV tapings, or did it create any ability issues for the
skaters (other than stamina, heh heh)?...I also noticed the side rails
on the LADD track seem to have posts that inclined toward the oval. I've
never noticed that before. Was that a new feature, or did any of the
old-school tracks have those?...

--
King Daevid MacKenzie, WLSU-FM 88.9 La Crosse, Wisconsin, USA
http://www.myspace.com/kingdaevid
heard Sundays 8:00 A.M. PST/PDT at
http://www.krfp.org/documents/listen_windowsmedia.asx
archived in mp3 at http://www.radio4all.net
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ELLISON

Actually what it is is tracks were sized differently to fit in the
auditoriums.  I skated and trained at the Olympic  at the time you
mention and it was fairly small because the Olympic Auditorium is a
small space. In a larger arena you could add more straightaway pieces
to make it longer. Like with the Pomona league in 1996. The first
game was at the Orange Show Fairgrounds and the track was much longer
then when they skated the game with the same track at the Olympic.

--- In bankedtracknews@yahoogroups.com, King Daevid MacKenzie
<echoesmaster@...> wrote:
>
> ...am watching the HDNet L.A. Derby Dolls bout that I taped last
night
> (couldn't watch the Friday night feeds because my radio show was
> scheduled for the same time). The LADD track looked much larger
than the
> one used by the L.A. T-Birds at their Olympic Auditorium TV tapings
of
> the early '70s -- or was that just the difference in the camera
work of
> KTLA Channel 5 in '72 black&white (I watched on KFIZ-TV/34 in Fond
du
> Lac, Wisconsin, which only had black&white videotape playback
> capabilities at the time) as compared to HDNet 2006 high-definition
> colour?...
>
> --
> King Daevid MacKenzie, WLSU-FM 88.9 La Crosse, Wisconsin, USA
http://www.myspace.com/kingdaevid
> heard Sundays 8:00 A.M. PST/PDT at
http://www.krfp.org/documents/listen_windowsmedia.asx
> archived in mp3 at http://www.radio4all.net
> "You can live in your dreams, but only if you are worthy of them."
HARLAN ELLISON
>

It's pretty simple now. CCG owns all rights for
distribution and selling 73 IRDL and some 50's games.
The CEO was not happy his property is being sold on
Ebay right now.

--- fox953@... wrote:

> I dont know about the legalities,but it is nic e to
> know that there are opportunities in the future to
> purchase more games..
> Keep us posted..
> Tom//
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "carefreewc" <carefreewc@...>
> There certainly have been some heated arguments and
> speculation over
> what happened to the 1973 IRDL tapes. Collectors and
> ex skaters have
> told me they are either destroyed, lost or simply
> public domain. Not
> true folks. They reside in a climate controlled
> vault in Southern
> California. Let me clear up once for all who owns
> them and what RD
> fans may see in the future. <p>
>
> What happened to the games after the Derby folded I
> dont know other
> than ABR entertainment showing IRDL games on cable
> TV which resulted
> in alot of the games in circulation today. Let's
> fast forward to 1999.
> That year Cavalcade of Sports Media made a large
> sports film purchase
> which included the IRDL games and 1950's games. The
> press release was
> on the internet I was surprised nobody saw it. In
> Dec 2005 Cavalcade
> sold their collection to Collectible Concepts Group
> which is a sports
> licensing company with MLB,NBA and NFL agreements
> (see press release
> link below). CCG has partnered this year with Back
> in Time TV to
> market and distribute many of the vintage games in
> this library.
> Because of this enormous job of going through
> thousands of hours of
> film/tape and their impending move, BIT hasn't
> gotten to the IRDL
> games yet. This is why I waited to post because I
> wanted to provide a
> link to the complete list including dates and teams
> skating. <p>
>
> I've talked with BIT this year and I'm told there
> could be plans to
> sell the games or broadcast them on a vintage sports
> channel. What's
> exciting are games or halves of games that haven't
> been seen since
> 1973 and let's not forget the 50's games in there
> too. Once that list
> is available, hopefully by early 07, I will post for
> everyone to see.
> Both CCG and BIT ask they NOT be contacted with
> questions so please
> respect their requests. So, as we all knew then and
> now, the claimants
> to ownership were frauds and any sales on the net
> are obviously
> illegal. Well, hope that makes IRDL fan's weekend.
> <p>
>
> http://www5.sys-con.com/read/166008.htm CCQ buys
> film library
>
>
>


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I can tell you one conversation I had with the CCG CEO
and he had a raw list of the games he owns and there
was over a hundred entries on it. There was no dates
on it just names of the IRDL teams. He says "whats
this Bombers and Pioneers?". I had to educate him on
what he was reading. I wish I could answer your
question but we'll have to wait a few more months for
that answer.

--- Mike Ksiazek <mike_ksiazek@...> wrote:

> THAT IS YET MORE OUTSTANDING NEWS. IMAGINE, RELIVING
> SOME OF THOSE INTERLEAGUE GAMES BETWEEN THUNDERBIRDS
> VS PIONEERS, OR THE BOMBERS OR THE CHIEFS.
>   WONDER IF THERE WERE ANY GAMES BETWEEN THE JOLTERS
> AND THE RED DEVILS?
>
> fox953@... wrote:
>             I dont know about the legalities,but it
> is nic e to know that there are opportunities in the
> future to purchase more games..
>   Keep us posted..
>   Tom//
>
>   -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "carefreewc" <carefreewc@...>
>     There certainly have been some heated arguments
> and speculation over
> what happened to the 1973 IRDL tapes. Collectors and
> ex skaters have
> told me they are either destroyed, lost or simply
> public domain. Not
> true folks. They reside in a climate controlled
> vault in Southern
> California. Let me clear up once for all who owns
> them and what RD
> fans may see in the future. <p>
>
> What happened to the games after the Derby folded I
> dont know other
> than ABR entertainment showing IRDL games on cable
> TV which resulted
> in alot of the games in circulation today. Let's
> fast forward to 1999.
> That year Cavalcade of Sports Media made a large
> sports film purchase
> which included the IRDL games and 1950's games. The
> press release was
> on the internet I was surprised nobody saw it. In
> Dec 2005 Cavalcade
> sold their collection to Collectible Concepts Group
> which is a sports
> licensing company with MLB,NBA and NFL agreements
> (see press release
> link below). CCG has partnered this year with Back
> in Time TV to
> market and distribute many of the vintage games in
> this library.
> Because of this enormous job of going through
> thousands of hours of
> film/tape and their impending move, BIT hasn't
> gotten to the IRDL
> games yet. This is why I waited to post because I
> wanted to provide a
> link to the complete list including dates and teams
> skating. <p>
>
> I've talked with BIT this year and I'm told there
> could be plans to
> sell the games or broadcast them on a vintage sports
> channel. What's
> exciting are games or halves of games that haven't
> been seen since
> 1973 and let's not forget the 50's games in there
> too. Once that list
> is available, hopefully by early 07, I will post for
> everyone to see.
> Both CCG and BIT ask they NOT be contacted with
> questions so please
> respect their requests. So, as we all knew then and
> now, the claimants
> to ownership were frauds and any sales on the net
> are obviously
> illegal. We ll, hope that makes IRDL fan's weekend.
> <p>
>
> http://www5.sys-con.com/read/166008.htm CCQ buys
> film library
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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...am watching the HDNet L.A. Derby Dolls bout that I taped last night
(couldn't watch the Friday night feeds because my radio show was
scheduled for the same time). The LADD track looked much larger than the
one used by the L.A. T-Birds at their Olympic Auditorium TV tapings of
the early '70s -- or was that just the difference in the camera work of
KTLA Channel 5 in '72 black&white (I watched on KFIZ-TV/34 in Fond du
Lac, Wisconsin, which only had black&white videotape playback
capabilities at the time) as compared to HDNet 2006 high-definition
colour?...

--
King Daevid MacKenzie, WLSU-FM 88.9 La Crosse, Wisconsin, USA
http://www.myspace.com/kingdaevid
heard Sundays 8:00 A.M. PST/PDT at
http://www.krfp.org/documents/listen_windowsmedia.asx
archived in mp3 at http://www.radio4all.net
"You can live in your dreams, but only if you are worthy of them." HARLAN
ELLISON

I dont know about the legalities,but it is nic e to know that there are opportunities in the future to purchase more games..

Keep us posted..

Tom// 

 

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "carefreewc" <carefreewc@yahoo.com>

There certainly have been some heated arguments and speculation over
what happened to the 1973 IRDL tapes. Collectors and ex skaters have
told me they are either destroyed, lost or simply public domain. Not
true folks. They reside in a climate controlled vault in Southern
California. Let me clear up once for all who owns them and what RD
fans may see in the future. <p>

What happened to the games after the Derby folded I dont know other
than ABR entertainment showing IRDL games on cable TV which resulted
in alot of the games in circulation today. Let's fast forward to 1999.
That year Cavalcade of Sports Media made a large sports film purchase
which included the IRDL games and 1950's games. The press release was
on the internet I was surprised nobody saw it. In Dec 2005 Cavalcade
sold their collection to Collectible Concepts Group which is a sports
licensing company with MLB,NBA and NFL agreements (see press release
link below). CCG has partnered this year with Back in Time TV to
market and distribute many of the vintage games in this library.
Because of this enormous job of going through thousands of hours of
film/tape and their impending move, BIT hasn't gotten to the IRDL
games yet. This is why I waited to post because I wanted to provide a
link to the complete list including dates and teams skating. <p>

I've talked with BIT this year and I'm told there could be plans to
sell the games or broadcast them on a vintage sports channel. What's
exciting are games or halves of games that haven't been seen since
1973 and let's not forget the 50's games in there too. Once that list
is available, hopefully by early 07, I will post for everyone to see.
Both CCG and BIT ask they NOT be contacted with questions so please
respect their requests. So, as we all knew then and now, the claimants
to ownership were frauds and any sales on the net are obviously
illegal. We ll, hope that makes IRDL fan's weekend. <p>

http://www5.sys-con.com/read/166008.htm CCQ buys film library

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "carefreewc" <carefreewc@...>

There certainly have been some heated arguments and speculation over
what happened to the 1973 IRDL tapes. Collectors and ex skaters have
told me they are either destroyed, lost or simply public domain. Not
true folks. They reside in a climate controlled vault in Southern
California. Let me clear up once for all who owns them and what RD
fans may see in the future. <p>

What happened to the games after the Derby folded I dont know other
than ABR entertainment showing IRDL games on cable TV which resulted
in alot of the games in circulation today. Let's fast forward to 1999.
That year Cavalcade of Sports Media made a large sports film purchase
which included the IRDL games and 1950's games. The press release was
on the internet I was surprised nobody saw it. In Dec 2005 Cavalcade
sold their collection to Collectible Concepts Group which is a sports
licensing company with MLB,NBA and NFL agreements (see press release
link below). CCG has partnered this year with Back in Time TV to
market and distribute many of the vintage games in this library.
Because of this enormous job of going through thousands of hours of
film/tape and their impending move, BIT hasn't gotten to the IRDL
games yet. This is why I waited to post because I wanted to provide a
link to the complete list including dates and teams skating. <p>

I've talked with BIT this year and I'm told there could be plans to
sell the games or broadcast them on a vintage sports channel. What's
exciting are games or halves of games that haven't been seen since
1973 and let's not forget the 50's games in there too. Once that list
is available, hopefully by early 07, I will post for everyone to see.
Both CCG and BIT ask they NOT be contacted with questions so please
respect their requests. So, as we all knew then and now, the claimants
to ownership were frauds and any sales on the net are obviously
illegal. We ll, hope that makes IRDL fan's weekend. <p>

http://www5.sys-con.com/read/166008.htm CCQ buys film library

There certainly have been some heated arguments and speculation over
what happened to the 1973 IRDL tapes. Collectors and ex skaters have
told me they are either destroyed, lost or simply public domain. Not
true folks. They reside in a climate controlled vault in Southern
California. Let me clear up once for all who owns them and what RD
fans may see in the future. <p>

What happened to the games after the Derby folded I dont know other
than ABR entertainment showing IRDL games on cable TV which resulted
in alot of the games in circulation today. Let's fast forward to 1999.
That year Cavalcade of Sports Media made a large sports film purchase
which included the IRDL games and 1950's games. The press release was
on the internet I was surprised nobody saw it. In Dec 2005 Cavalcade
sold their collection to Collectible Concepts Group which is a sports
licensing company with MLB,NBA and NFL agreements (see press release
link below). CCG has partnered this year with Back in Time TV to
market and distribute many of the vintage games in this library.
Because of this enormous job of going through thousands of hours of
film/tape and their impending move, BIT hasn't gotten to the IRDL
games yet. This is why I waited to post because I wanted to provide a
link to the complete list including dates and teams skating. <p>

I've talked with BIT this year and I'm told there could be plans to
sell the games or broadcast them on a vintage sports channel. What's
exciting are games or halves of games that haven't been seen since
1973 and let's not forget the 50's games in there too. Once that list
is available, hopefully by early 07, I will post for everyone to see.
Both CCG and BIT ask they NOT be contacted with questions so please
respect their requests. So, as we all knew then and now, the claimants
to ownership were frauds and any sales on the net are obviously
illegal. Well, hope that makes IRDL fan's weekend. <p>

http://www5.sys-con.com/read/166008.htm     CCQ buys film library

A recent poster has quit this board.  When I asked the poster why, the
poster said, loosely paraphrased, the poster was tired of reading
posts that disagreed with the poster's point of view.  When I tried to
respond ("Sorry you left, hope you reconsider"), my response bounced
back, so I guess I've been placed on Ignore.

Traffic has slowed noticeably on this Board, but that's OK; it's
recovered before.  If it doesn't, that's OK, too.  This job was thrust
upon me many years ago, and I've maintained the Board the way you
would expect a journalist with no close connections to skaters would--
all viewpoints are welcome.  I belong to other sports and political
boards in which flame wars are constant, and often get very personal,
but I think they're the better for it because members are exposed to
all manner of opinions.

In short, this is not the place to come if you're offended by the
opinions of people who disagree with you.  If, instead of quitting,
you would post a contrary opinion, I'd be delighted.

WHATS IN A NAME

                          ROLLER DERBY

To each of us the name Roller Derby brings with it memories and
dreams. To each of us it means something different or the same.
For me, it recalls memories of friendships I still cherish, rivals I
still recall, dreams that were fulfilled. It represents a treasure
chest
of irreplacable times gone by. Recently there has been much
discussion of the use of the name,
ROLLER DERBY. I personally do
not know who, if anyone owns the rights to the name. My guess would
be, that if someone owned the rights, much of the current
discussion would be moot, and the name
ROLLER DERBY would not be in use as it is now.
As a retired old timer, I have very
strong feelings about all the new styles of games that have attached
themselves to that name. However, heres a little different
slant on this topic from a different point of view. While I will
always be a purist in regard to Derby, I remember from history, that
the True Game we all love started out as something very different
than the game it evolved into. The original Roller Derby started
as a marathon race, and over time grew into what we now remember as
the true Roller Derby.  My point is simply, as much as we
might not love the new game, what if over a period of time, it too
evolves into a truer form of the game we remember and love?
When it comes to pleasing the public, and that's the bottom line, if
the sport is to grow and evolve, much of that progress will
depend on fan involvement and acceptance. Derby is like every other
pro sport, the fans dictate your progress by buying tickets.
It's not rocket science, give them what they want (BUILD IT AND THEY
WILL COME) they will support the game. I cannot tell you
about the 40's, but I can clearly recall the 50's and 60's. What
stands out most in my mind was the unbelievable chemistry of the
skaters of that era. It was pure magic. The personalities, the speed,
the power, the emotion, it was always special. I would love to
think that could be recaptured again in the present or future.
Sometimes there are just times so special, they can never be
duplicated,
nor should they be.  I'm no different  than most of you, I would like
nothing better than to turn on my TV, and see the game I loved
so much, being played the way is should be played. The only way I can
think of to cause change is thru education. If somehow
there was a way to televise the old games, maybe then there would be
an opportunity to rekindle the flame. It is difficult to
explain the real game to a generation that has never seen the real
thing. I can't fault the younger generation for exploring the
possibilities of creating a new roller derby, when they are clueless
of the original. Maybe it is our responsibility to teach them.
If we want to truly pass the torch, we need to show them how to carry
it. Respectfully   Bonnie Nelson

I certainly hope the girls keep their Rollergirl name.
  More power to them, then. But please don't try to
call it Roller Derby. It'll just be another nail in
the coffin of the REAL Roller Derby.

Joe B.

--- gjdodger <garyfarm@...> wrote:

> I hope that it happens, and I've expected for a long
> time that it
> would.  The "Rollergirl" concept is highly
> marketable.  I suspect,
> however, that they will want to do what the
> "RollerJam" people did
> on TNN--condense the action into one-hour segments.
>
> --- In bankedtracknews@yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer"
> <jennasydal@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > HD net is considering the taping of the LA Derby
> Doll's next
> season
> > on
> > national television! One thing they need to know
> first is that
> people
> > want to see roller derby on TV again: we have to
> demand it!!!
> >
> > Here's how you can help get roller derby on TV
> again:
> > 1)Go to http://www.hd.net/op_sports.html
> >
> > 2)Click on "Send Feedback" (right under the sports
> pictures)
> > 3)Make a comment about how much you want to see
> roller derby on TV
> > again!
> >
> > *Watch HD Net on October 20th at 9:30pm! There
> will be a showing
> of
> > an
> > LA Derby Dolls bout, that needs good ratings and
> lots of positive
> > feeback, before and after!!!
> >
> > Thanks for the support! The Grand Strand
> Rollergirls looks forward
> > to competing against LA on national TV for your
> viewing pleasure!!!
> >
> > Please forward this to all your family and
> friends!
> >
> > Love Ya,
> > Tam and Jenna
> >
> > (aka)
> > TamPacz & JennaSydal
> > Founder's
> > Grand Strand Rollergirls
> > Myrtle Beach, SC
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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>
> mailto:bankedtracknews-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
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I hope that it happens, and I've expected for a long time that it
would.  The "Rollergirl" concept is highly marketable.  I suspect,
however, that they will want to do what the "RollerJam" people did
on TNN--condense the action into one-hour segments.

--- In bankedtracknews@yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer" <jennasydal@...>
wrote:
>
> HD net is considering the taping of the LA Derby Doll's next
season
> on
> national television! One thing they need to know first is that
people
> want to see roller derby on TV again: we have to demand it!!!
>
> Here's how you can help get roller derby on TV again:
> 1)Go to http://www.hd.net/op_sports.html
>
> 2)Click on "Send Feedback" (right under the sports pictures)
> 3)Make a comment about how much you want to see roller derby on TV
> again!
>
> *Watch HD Net on October 20th at 9:30pm! There will be a showing
of
> an
> LA Derby Dolls bout, that needs good ratings and lots of positive
> feeback, before and after!!!
>
> Thanks for the support! The Grand Strand Rollergirls looks forward
> to competing against LA on national TV for your viewing pleasure!!!
>
> Please forward this to all your family and friends!
>
> Love Ya,
> Tam and Jenna
>
> (aka)
> TamPacz & JennaSydal
> Founder's
> Grand Strand Rollergirls
> Myrtle Beach, SC
>

HD net is considering the taping of the LA Derby Doll's next season
on
national television! One thing they need to know first is that people
want to see roller derby on TV again: we have to demand it!!!

Here's how you can help get roller derby on TV again:
1)Go to http://www.hd.net/op_sports.html

2)Click on "Send Feedback" (right under the sports pictures)
3)Make a comment about how much you want to see roller derby on TV
again!

*Watch HD Net on October 20th at 9:30pm! There will be a showing of
an
LA Derby Dolls bout, that needs good ratings and lots of positive
feeback, before and after!!!

Thanks for the support! The Grand Strand Rollergirls looks forward
to competing against LA on national TV for your viewing pleasure!!!

Please forward this to all your family and friends!

Love Ya,
Tam and Jenna

(aka)
TamPacz & JennaSydal
Founder's
Grand Strand Rollergirls
Myrtle Beach, SC

Gerri Abatello and Joe Chaump?

--- In bankedtracknews@yahoogroups.com, "loretta behrens"
<grand2181@...> wrote:
>
> I WILL PLAY A LITTLE QUIZ OUT HERE'
> WE BOTH JOINED THE DERBY AND THE TRAINNING SCHOOL THE SAME TIME, WE
> WERE KNOWN AS
> ====P & THE  =====E
> A NAME GIVIN TO US BY
> ELMER ANDERSON
> AS GERRI & I WERE ON THE WASHINGTON JETS
> TEAM AND WE LOOKED ALIKE OUT THERE
> TILL I WAS SENT TO THE BROOKLYN TEAM, THEN TO THE PANTHERS, THEN TO
> THE WESTERNERS,
> ALL IN  MY EARLY YEARS .
> MAYBE ONE AND A HALF YEARS
> OR TWO  I CAN'T REMEMBER
> AGE  IS SITTING IN NOW SO MY FINGERS CANT SKATE AS FAST
> LOL LOL LOL
> ======================================
> WE TRAINED THE END OF 49 AND JOINED THE DERBY IN 50
>   I  WENT TO FLORIDA WITH ANOTHER TEAM TILL THE JETS OPENED UP IN
> TEANECK .GERRI HAD A SON WHO WAS SICK SO SHE DIDN'T SKATE TILL WE HAD
> OUR FIRST RACE IN JERSEY
> FROM THE JET TEAM, I WENT OUTLAW WITH CARL PAYNE AND COME BACK TO THE
> WESTERNERS, THEN TO BROOKLYN
> THEN BOBBY MATEER AND I WERE SENT OUT TO THE COAST I WENT TO THE
> PANTHERS BOBBY WENT TO THE BRAVES
>

I WILL PLAY A LITTLE QUIZ OUT HERE'
WE BOTH JOINED THE DERBY AND THE TRAINNING SCHOOL THE SAME TIME, WE
WERE KNOWN AS
====P & THE  =====E
A NAME GIVIN TO US BY
ELMER ANDERSON
AS GERRI & I WERE ON THE WASHINGTON JETS
TEAM AND WE LOOKED ALIKE OUT THERE
TILL I WAS SENT TO THE BROOKLYN TEAM, THEN TO THE PANTHERS, THEN TO
THE WESTERNERS,
ALL IN  MY EARLY YEARS .
MAYBE ONE AND A HALF YEARS
OR TWO  I CAN'T REMEMBER
AGE  IS SITTING IN NOW SO MY FINGERS CANT SKATE AS FAST
LOL LOL LOL
======================================
WE TRAINED THE END OF 49 AND JOINED THE DERBY IN 50
   I  WENT TO FLORIDA WITH ANOTHER TEAM TILL THE JETS OPENED UP IN
TEANECK .GERRI HAD A SON WHO WAS SICK SO SHE DIDN'T SKATE TILL WE HAD
OUR FIRST RACE IN JERSEY
FROM THE JET TEAM, I WENT OUTLAW WITH CARL PAYNE AND COME BACK TO THE
WESTERNERS, THEN TO BROOKLYN
THEN BOBBY MATEER AND I WERE SENT OUT TO THE COAST I WENT TO THE
PANTHERS BOBBY WENT TO THE BRAVES

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