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#345 From: "nwkf" <nwkf@...>
Date: Mon Jul 6, 2009 7:10 pm
Subject: OOOPS
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#346 From: "Rob" <robertsouth2@...>
Date: Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:22 am
Subject: Re: OOOPS
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--- In baileysacademy@yahoogroups.com, "nwkf" <nwkf@...> wrote:
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> Here is the link I forgot.
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> http://kskeventhall.blogspot.com/2009/07/ska-invitational-2009.html
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Comments on Sparring,
One competitor was nearly always only defending and seemed to almost never take
the aggressive position. The other competitor was relatively predictable after
the first few attacks. Almost all attacks were round house kick followed by
reverse punch and sometimes two punches. Its always difficult to judge without
knowing the point criteria. The one defending constantly didn't seem to know how
to take advantage of predictable moves, didn't use her own kicks to any
advantage and never moved to the outside of the constant left round house kick.
They both appeared to be to limited in the techniques they were willing to use.

I have to assume that the rules limit the competitors to no foot sweeps and no
take downs. Points were likely only given for a head or abdominal punch or kick.
Its hard to evaluate without knowing the rules or the experience level of the
competitors.

2-cents,
Rob






#347 From: C Good <kamshafiro@...>
Date: Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:33 am
Subject: Re: Re: OOOPS
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Those were my impressions too. I also notice the blue competitor was definitely more aggressive and usually led with a waist-high (or occasionally higher) kick followed by one or two punches. The red competitor attacked a few times and did get in a couple of hits, but was mostly on the defensive.

It looked like the blue competitor was much lighter on her feet and quicker to move, while the red competitor was more flat-footed.

The rules also seemed to prohibit any type of trapping, as there were multiple time the red competitor (the one who was primarily defensive) could have grabbed the blue competitors ankle during the roundhouses. And it looked like some of the hits (both kicks and punches) landed pretty solidly, but many or even most of the hits were more for points than power.




From: Rob <robertsouth2@...>
To: baileysacademy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 9:22:11 PM
Subject: [baileysacademy] Re: OOOPS

--- In baileysacademy@ yahoogroups. com, "nwkf" <nwkf@...> wrote:
>
> Here is the link I forgot.
>
> http://kskeventhall .blogspot. com/2009/ 07/ska-invitatio nal-2009. html
>
Comments on Sparring,
One competitor was nearly always only defending and seemed to almost never take the aggressive position. The other competitor was relatively predictable after the first few attacks. Almost all attacks were round house kick followed by reverse punch and sometimes two punches. Its always difficult to judge without knowing the point criteria. The one defending constantly didn't seem to know how to take advantage of predictable moves, didn't use her own kicks to any advantage and never moved to the outside of the constant left round house kick. They both appeared to be to limited in the techniques they were willing to use.

I have to assume that the rules limit the competitors to no foot sweeps and no take downs. Points were likely only given for a head or abdominal punch or kick. Its hard to evaluate without knowing the rules or the experience level of the competitors.

2-cents,
Rob


#348 From: "Robert South" <robertsouth2@...>
Date: Wed Jul 8, 2009 4:12 am
Subject: RE: Re: OOOPS
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I think the red competitor actually was faster with her punches, unfortunately she didn’t know how to position herself to take advantage of that. Had she moved outside the constant mid level round house kick she could have used a backhand or left hand trap and reverse punch to score on a head attach. The other advantage would have been to move to her left grab and pull the reverse punch arm and move to an advantages position at or behind the hip of the blue competitor. I think neither of them really had the experience to understand point and circle counter attacks.

 

 


From: baileysacademy@yahoogroups.com [mailto:baileysacademy@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of C Good
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:33 PM
To: baileysacademy@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [baileysacademy] Re: OOOPS

 




Those were my impressions too. I also notice the blue competitor was definitely more aggressive and usually led with a waist-high (or occasionally higher) kick followed by one or two punches. The red competitor attacked a few times and did get in a couple of hits, but was mostly on the defensive.

It looked like the blue competitor was much lighter on her feet and quicker to move, while the red competitor was more flat-footed.

The rules also seemed to prohibit any type of trapping, as there were multiple time the red competitor (the one who was primarily defensive) could have grabbed the blue competitors ankle during the roundhouses. And it looked like some of the hits (both kicks and punches) landed pretty solidly, but many or even most of the hits were more for points than power.

 


From: Rob <robertsouth2@msn.com>
To: baileysacademy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 9:22:11 PM
Subject: [baileysacademy] Re: OOOPS

--- In baileysacademy@ yahoogroups. com, "nwkf" <nwkf@...> wrote:
>
> Here is the link I forgot.
>
> http://kskeventhall .blogspot. com/2009/ 07/ska-invitatio nal-2009. html
>
Comments on Sparring,
One competitor was nearly always only defending and seemed to almost never take the aggressive position. The other competitor was relatively predictable after the first few attacks. Almost all attacks were round house kick followed by reverse punch and sometimes two punches. Its always difficult to judge without knowing the point criteria. The one defending constantly didn't seem to know how to take advantage of predictable moves, didn't use her own kicks to any advantage and never moved to the outside of the constant left round house kick. They both appeared to be to limited in the techniques they were willing to use.

I have to assume that the rules limit the competitors to no foot sweeps and no take downs. Points were likely only given for a head or abdominal punch or kick. Its hard to evaluate without knowing the rules or the experience level of the competitors.

2-cents,
Rob


#349 From: Douglas B Bailey <lordbailey@...>
Date: Wed Jul 8, 2009 6:41 pm
Subject: RE: Re: OOOPS
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I understand for the competitors point of view of what they were trying to do.
Blue was using a basic lead leg kick that was more of a distractor to the
defensive guard. either by being a front kick or a round kick throwing to 2
different levels as a round and straight in a s a front.
this is used 2 fold
1. to score.
2 to move the hands to create an opening, for her consistent 2 punch followup.
seeing that red was just a defensive counter puncher,
strategy to keep her blocking and delay the counter punch giving the advantage
to the attacker, <which worked>

Problems seen.
way to much rushing in and "forcing" the technique and "strategy"
making it a 2 trick pony,
Thins to make this better,
1 Don't rush and force. look for the correct timing. use hands first to mix it
up and rear leg, then it becomes a rounded fighter, and not a lopsided left
lead only fighter, learn distancing and the real fine points of it.<i saw none
from blue>

red.
Counter puncher relying on baiting and trapping. was very good at this to a
point,
One could see that she was used to the "game" of a one 2 attach stop and pose
for the reff.
when the woman in blue attacks with a 3 to 4 combo she is 1 to 2 strikes out of
the reds experience.
red needs to get out of the comfort zone of right hand reverse punch and grow
as
a point fighter, by using stop or intercepting timing and move to the <her
left>
and should stop being a target. also use sweeps as they are legal. and blue
was in position to receive on many occasions.





#350 From: C Good <kamshafiro@...>
Date: Wed Jul 8, 2009 7:35 pm
Subject: Re: Re: OOOPS
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Sweeps were legal in that match???? Seriously?

I agree, there were plenty of opportunities to sweep -- I assumed sweeps were illegal in that match, since neither competitor used them at all.


From: Douglas B Bailey <lordbailey@...>
To: baileysacademy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 12:41:11 PM
Subject: RE: [baileysacademy] Re: OOOPS

I understand for the competitors point of view of what they were trying to do.
Blue was using a basic lead leg kick that was more of a distractor to the
defensive guard. either by being a front kick or a round kick throwing to 2
different levels as a round and straight in a s a front.
this is used 2 fold
1. to score.
2 to move the hands to create an opening, for her consistent 2 punch followup.
seeing that red was just a defensive counter puncher,
strategy to keep her blocking and delay the counter punch giving the advantage
to the attacker, <which worked>

Problems seen.
way to much rushing in and "forcing" the technique and "strategy"
making it a 2 trick pony,
Thins to make this better,
1 Don't rush and force. look for the correct timing. use hands first to mix it
up and rear leg, then it becomes a rounded fighter, and not a lopsided left
lead only fighter, learn distancing and the real fine points of it.<i saw none
from blue>

red.
Counter puncher relying on baiting and trapping. was very good at this to a
point,
One could see that she was used to the "game" of a one 2 attach stop and pose
for the reff.
when the woman in blue attacks with a 3 to 4 combo she is 1 to 2 strikes out of
the reds experience.
red needs to get out of the comfort zone of right hand reverse punch and grow
as
a point fighter, by using stop or intercepting timing and move to the <her
left>
and should stop being a target. also use sweeps as they are legal. and blue
was in position to receive on many occasions.


#351 From: Douglas B Bailey <lordbailey@...>
Date: Wed Jul 8, 2009 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: Re: OOOPS
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Quoting C Good <kamshafiro@...>:

> Sweeps were legal in that match???? Seriously?
>
> I agree, there were plenty of opportunities to sweep -- I assumed sweeps were
> illegal in that match, since neither competitor used them at all.
>
> most people find it too much work..
or have instructors that don't understand them or how to teach them,
With the underlying thought that "well you cant score with a sweep." mentality.
leaving a whole host of missed opportunities and lack of depth in abilities and
understanding



 
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