BULL FUCKING SHIT!!!! the dominator only got 1 fuckin ring St.Patrick
has 4, and without Roy in net canadians would have never won the cup
in 86' or 93',in 86 they would have never beat the rangers and the
beeser stole a ring from roy!!!,in 93' the habs won the cup while
playing in a reccord what 11 games that went to O.T. that they won
over the kings who hade luckey luke blake and the grate one with kelly
in net, without having the BEST goalie playing in the game in net 4 u
then no team could do that!!! and 96 he carried the AVS to the cup and
swepted the panthers even in the rat shower and 3 o.t.'s in game 4 b4
kruup got the winning goal, and then there was 01' knocking off the
defending devils in 7 one of the best cup championships in recent
memory, without roy we would have no butterfly style right now so kiss
kippersoft, turko, theadore,and j.s. giggy good bye, without a doubt
roy is better than any goaltender playing in the new era on the nhl!!!
best of all time well thats diff but hes fuckin up there and the
dominator wont be remembered 5 years after he retires!!!agen i have 4
roy jerseys 2 montreal and 2 avalanche and a wear all 4 with pride!!!
i could never wear a hasek jersey with no dignity or self respect!!!
and when i play hockey on my team and i take the net i wear the grate
33 hoping to have a little piece of the skill and talent roy has!!!
--- In antipatrickroyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, "Guess"
<the_cajun17@h...> wrote:
> Dominik Hasek... Hands down, no questions. Much better than Roy.
>
> Top 10 regular seasons:
> 98/99 Hasek 1.87/ .937
> 93/94 Hasek 1.94/ .930
> 01/02 P. Roy 1.94/ .925
> 97/98 Hasek 2.09/ .932
> 00/01 Hasek 2.10/ .921
> 94/95 Hasek 2.11/ .930
> 01/02 Hasek 2.16/ .915
> 99/00 Hasek 2.20/ .919
> 00/01 P. Roy 2.20/ .913
> 96/97 Hasek 2.27/ .930
>
>
>
> Career Playoff Seasons:
> 93/94 Hasek 1.61/ .953
> 00/01 P .Roy 1.69/ .934 (w/Bourque)
> 98/99 Hasek 1.77/ .942
> 99/00 P. Roy 1.79/ .928 (w/Bourque)
> 01/02 Hasek 1.85/ .920
> 85/86 P. Roy 1.92/ ???
> 96/97 Hasek 1.96/ .932
> 97/98 Hasek 2.02/ .941
> 88/89 P. Roy 2.08/ .926
> 00/01 Hasek 2.08/ .916
>
> Hasek (11 seasons):
> 1996-97 Hart Memorial Trophy
> 1997-98 Hart Memorial Trophy
>
> 1996-97 Lester B. Pearson Trophy
> 1997-98 Lester B. Pearson Trophy
>
> 1993-94 Vezina Trophy
> 1994-95 Vezina Trophy
> 1996-97 Vezina Trophy
> 1997-98 Vezina Trophy
> 1998-99 Vezina Trophy
> 2000-01 Vezina Trophy
>
> 1993-94 William M. Jennings Trophy
> 2000-01 William M. Jennings Trophy
>
>
> Roy (18 seasons):
> 1985-86 Conn Smythe Trophy
> 1992-93 Conn Smythe Trophy
> 2000-01 Conn Smythe Trophy
>
> 1988-89 Vezina Trophy
> 1989-90 Vezina Trophy
> 1991-92 Vezina Trophy
>
> 1986-87 William M. Jennings Trophy
> 1987-88 William M. Jennings Trophy
> 1988-89 William M. Jennings Trophy
> 1991-92 William M. Jennings Trophy
>
>
> If you look closely, you'll notice a trend.... Roy stops winning
> trophies the second that Hasek becomes a starter.
>
> Buffalo vs Montreal/Colorado
>
> Note: Each goalie has 2 seasons that aren't listed.
> Hasek:
> 1996- Buff didn't make the playoffs.
> 1997- Hasek was injured in '97 and Shields took Buffalo to the 2nd
> round.
>
> Roy:
> 1995- Mon didn't make the playoffs. Then Roy requested a trade to a
> contender 22 games into the next season.
> 1987- Roy was replaced because of poor play and Brian Hayward took
> the Habs to the 3rd round.
>
>
> Ok, let's get down to business... Here's a list of their teams'
> highest level achieved and regular season standings:
>
> Hasek:
> Stanley Cup- (1st overall)
> 4th round- (9th overall)
> 3rd round- (10th overall)
> 2nd round- (8th overall)
> 1st round- (10th overall), (11th overall), (16th overall)
>
> Roy:
> Stanley Cup- (7th* , 6th* , 1st, 3rd)
> 4th round- (2nd overall)
> 3rd round- (5th, 1st, 4th, 9th*, 3rd)
> 2nd round- (2nd, 4th, 6th, 5th)
> 1st round- (9th, 7th)
>
> You'll notice that I've put an asterisk (*) next to a few of Patrick
> Roy's seasons. Let me explain:
> 1986 & 1993- We already know this one. Roy played horribly during
> those two seasons (3.34 avg & 3.20 avg). I've checked his stats and
> the team standings... I can say this for certain, if Roy would have
> had an average (not great) season during both of those years (say
> half a goal less per game), the '86 Habs would have finished 4th and
> the '93 Habs would have finished as high as 2nd. Instead of 7th and
> 6th.
>
> 2000- Colorado 9th overall makes it to the 3rd round. Would they have
> finished 9th overall if they had picked up Ray Bourque at the
> beginning of the season, instead of the deadline? ... Well, we
> already know the answer to that question. They finished 1st overall
> the next season.
>
> Coincidentally, Roy's two best playoff years (statistically) came
> during the the two years Bourque played on the team. Last season, Roy
> fell back down to earth.
>
> Overall, Roy has (statistically) come into the playoffs with Top Five
> Teams (9 times out of 16 playoff appearances). 3 of those remaining
> teams should have been Top Five Teams. The remaining 3 teams (9th,
> 7th and 6th overall respectively) were eliminated in the 1st or 2nd
> rounds.
>
> Meanwhile, Hasek has played with 1 Top Five Team out of 7 playoff
> appearances. The worst team Roy has ever taken to the playoffs was
> ranked 9th.... Well, Hasek has taken 9th or worse to the playoffs 5
> times of of 7 appearances. He took one of those sad sack teams to the
> conference finals and another to the finals.
>
> Btw, if you want to bring up Buffalo's deadline deals... In '99,
> their significant pickup was Joe Juneau. And in '98, it was Geoff
> Sanderson. (Wanna trade Bourque for Juneau and Sanderson???)
>
> Now, I'm not saying that Roy isn't clutch. I mean, I'm sure that
> taking a Top Five Team to the 2nd, 3rd or finals is just as difficult
> as making a slam dunk into a 5 foot high net or beating your wife in
> a fight... not that Roy would ever do that.
>
>
> 1) Roy did not introduce the "butterfly" technique to the NHL.
> Glenn Hall invented and/or popularized the style, not Roy.
>
> ucsu.colorado.edu/~norris.../hall.html
> "STYLE: Butterfly. Nearly all goaltender historians credit Hall with
> either inventing the butterfly style, or at the very least,
> popularizing it to a point where butterfly goaltenders dominate the
> professional scene. "
>
> 2) The contention that Roy "did not have stacked teams with Montreal"
> is false.
> The '86 and '93 Habs teams were better than their records indicates.
> Those were by far Roy's two worst seasons ever and he dragged their
> records down with him. The Hab's would likely have finished 4th
> (instead of 7th) if not for Roy and the '93 Habs would likely have
> finished as high as 2nd (instead of 6th).
>
> The '86 Habs were 5th in the league in offense. They also had Norris
> winner Robinson and Selke winner Gainey on the team, as well as
> Chelios (Norris) and Carbonneau (Selke) who both won trophies shortly
> after.
>
> The '93 Habs finished with 102 points and as was stated earlier,
> could have finished as high as second overall if not for Roy playing
> like crap (3.20 average as compared to 2.54 career average).
>
> 2) "Hasek never carried a team."
> That's pure BS!!!
>
> The fact is that Roy is the one who has never carried a team.
> Out of 16 playoff appearances:
> - 9 of Roy's teams finished in the Top Five
> - the 2 Montreal team ('86 & '93) should have finished Top Five. But
> Roy's poor play ended that possibility.
> - 9th Overall Colorado adds Ray Bourque at the deadline. The team is
> no longer a 9th place team IMO.
> So 13 of 16 teams should be considered "Top Five" teams.
>
> The other 3 years, Roy got eliminated twice in the first round (9th
> and 7th overall teams). Then made it to the second round with 6th
> place Montreal in '91.
>
> He hasn't carried anything!!!
>
> Roy's Team vs. Stanley Cup Winners
>
> 86- Mtl (7th overall) over Cal (6th overall)
>
> 87- Winner: Edm (1st overall)
> 87- Standings: Mtl (5th overall)
>
> *88- Standings: Mtl (2nd overall)
> 88- Winner: Edm (3rd overall)
>
> 89- Winner: Cal (1st overall)
> 89- Standings: Mtl (2nd overall)
>
> *90- Standings: Mtl (4th overall)
> 90- Winner: Edm (5th overall)
>
> *91- Standings: Mtl (6th overall)
> 91- Winner: Pit (7th overall)
>
> *92- Standings: Mtl (5th overall)
> 92- Winner: Pit (6th overall)
>
> 93- Winner: Mtl (6th overall) over LA (10th overall)
>
> 94- Winner: NYR (1st overall)
> 94- Standings: Mtl (9th overall)
>
> 95- Winner: NJ (9th overall)
> 95- Standings: Mtl (17th overall)
>
> 96- Winner: Col (2nd overall) over Fla (7th overall)
>
> *97- Standings: Col (1st overall)
> 97- Winner: Det (5th overall)
>
> 98- Winner: Det (3rd overall)
> 98- Standings: Col (6th overall)
>
> 99- Winner: Dallas (1st overall)
> 99- Standings: Col (5th overall)
>
> 00- Winner: NJ (4th overall)
> 00- Standings: Col (9th overall)
>
> 01- Winner: Col (1st overall) over NJ (3rd overall)
>
> 02- Winner: Detroit (1st overall)
> 02- Standings: Col (4th overall)
>
> All I see is a goalie who made a career of beating up weaker teams in
> the playoffs. What an achievement.
>
> In contrast, Buffalo never finished higher than 8th while Hasek was
> there... despite his 1.9-something avg's. The team still wasn't good
> enough to win.
> Hasek's team has never been on a team that was better than the
> eventual Stanley Cup winners. He has never been replaced for the
> playoffs because of poor play.
> He has no playoff failures.
>
> Patrick Roy played on teams that finished above the eventual Stanley
> Cup winners 5 times. He was replaced by Brian Hayward in 1987 because
> of poor play (Hayward took them to the 3rd round).
> Roy has 6 playoff failures.
>
>
> As for Roy's records:
>
> GP: 1014 (Brodeur needs 365 GP to catch up.)
> Could be done in less than 6 years averaging 65 GP/year.
> Roy is currently 37 and in his 18th season. Brodeur would be 36 and
> in his 16th season.
>
> Wins: 540 (Brodeur needs 183 wins to catch up)
> Could be done in less than 6 years averaging 35 wins/year.
>
> Shutouts: 64 (Brodeur needs 2 to catch up)
> Could pass him any day.
>
> Playoffs GP: 240 (Brodeur needs 125 GP to catch up)
> Difficult to project. I don't think he'll beat it.
>
> Playoff Wins: 148 (Brodeur needs 67 to catch up)
> Not as diffcult to project. 67 wins could be done in 6-8 years on a
> good team. Essentially means making the 2nd or 3rd every year.
>
> Playoff Shutouts: 22 (Brodeur needs 9 to catch up)
> Could be done in 3-5 years.
>
>
> so, do you think i'm a statwhore now???
>
> You do understand that statistics are not simply random, made up
> numbers right? ... They're numerical interpretations of significant
> events in a sporting activity. Sports leagues hire well educated
> mathematicians to create more in depth stats that truly indicate
> value.
> These same stats show that Hasek, not Roy is the better goalie. In
> the playoffs, in the regular season and in the olympics.
> All the Roy supporters have offered up as evidence in this thread is:
> A) anecdotal evidence... which is unreliable. That's why it's not
> useful scientific evidence.
> B) Roy's Conn Smythe Trophies. Let me say this about that... those
> trophies are worthless. The Conn Smythe trophy is voted on by hockey
> journalists. Half of which we hockey fans disregard as bunch of
> morons. Just knowing that Bruce Garrioch and/or Al Strachan may have
> voted for any trophy, puts it's value into the crapper IMO. The Conn
> Smythe is as pathetic as the MLB MVP award. A-Rod was the better
> player in every aspect of the sport, yet Miguel Tejada (who few would
> even rate as a top 3 SS) wins the award because he plays on a good
> team. Roy and the Conn Smythe trophy are a similar story. The Conn
> Smythe Trophy awarded "to some guy who was on a good team".
>
>
>
>
>
> EAT THAT STUPID DIVE-ALANCHE FANS!